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Revival of F destroying dragon ball
Topic Started: Apr 1 2015, 04:26 PM (13,573 Views)
lucrowe Apr 2 2015, 11:18 PM Post #31
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Apr 2 2015, 10:20 PM
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Apr 1 2015, 10:53 PM
The point is, if we're disavowing the canonicity of Battle of Gods based on the fact that the story was influenced by someone else, then the Cell Arc should also be non-canon.

Toriyama basically re-wrote the entire script for Battle of Gods; everything that exists in Battle of Gods is either original content or content that Toriyama deemed good enough to coexist with his own ideas. I can't see anything about it that's non-canon.

If I were to argue against Battle of Gods's canonicity, it would be predicated on the art and animation being drawn by someone else. Only what's in the script is canon. But that's being very picky.
I personally don't disavow it based on that. I don't consider it canon to the manga because it isn't a manga. There are people in the starwars fanbase that don't consider things outside the original movies to be canon, even when endorsed by the original writers.
This is what annoys me about fans.. they think they know more than the writers! It's so... frigging... annoying!!! Over analysing a series like that takes all the fun out of it.

As you said about star wars, the same rules apply in dbz. If the writers say "this is how it is" then that's just the way it is. No amount of nerds pissing and moaning about story holes is gonna change it.
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Mihawk Apr 2 2015, 11:54 PM Post #32
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they think they know more than the writers!

Nice 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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If the writers say "this is how it is" then that's just the way it is.

The writers never said anything about canon. The straw is heavy in here.

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No amount of nerds pissing and moaning about story holes is gonna change it.

The only nerd pissing and moaning in here is you
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It's so... frigging... annoying!!! Over analysing a series like that takes all the fun out of it.
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Rockman Apr 2 2015, 11:59 PM Post #33
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Reason 1 Goku and Vegeta and Frieza hit a level were they can one shot GT characters

I don't normally post around here, but I have got to know where you came up with this.
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lucrowe Apr 3 2015, 03:13 AM Post #34
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they think they know more than the writers!

Nice 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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If the writers say "this is how it is" then that's just the way it is.

The writers never said anything about canon. The straw is heavy in here.

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No amount of nerds pissing and moaning about story holes is gonna change it.

The only nerd pissing and moaning in here is you
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It's so... frigging... annoying!!! Over analysing a series like that takes all the fun out of it.
LOL! Caught me out. It does annoy me when nerds get all caught up in what's canon and not, it's like they're missing the whole point of the show... To be entertained. Guess there's a counter argument against myself in regards to pissing and moaning.

I would click that link, but I don't care enough about this topic to do homework. Wanna give me a quick run down?
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lucrowe Apr 3 2015, 03:29 AM Post #35
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 Wait, I read the link. Jeez man you could have just said I interpreted your post wrong =/ you didn't have to be an a*** about it lol!
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Raiken Apr 3 2015, 11:51 AM Post #36
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 I'm a Manga Purist and I follow this suit of way in regards to Canon:

Manga Canon:
The Main Dragonball Story "Manga and Anime Adaptation of those Chapters" / Dragonball Minus.

Pseudo Canon:
Battle of Gods / Revival Of F.

Non-Canon
Anime Filler / The Movies / Dragonball GT
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+ Emmeth Apr 3 2015, 01:08 PM Post #37
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 AT has drawn and written the Resurrection of F in manga form. Since that's the case, why can't it be considered canon?
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+ Clearin Apr 3 2015, 01:41 PM Post #38
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 I follow "Toriyama canon". Basically anything Toriyama writers, draws or says with the intention of it being part of the official Dragon Ball universe (so not Neko Majin Z).
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Apr 3 2015, 01:43 PM Post #39
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 What does pseudo canon even mean? It's either canon or it isn't. Honestly, this is how EVERYTHING works IMO:
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Raiken Apr 3 2015, 02:33 PM Post #40
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Apr 3 2015, 01:43 PM
What does pseudo canon even mean? It's either canon or it isn't. Honestly, this is how EVERYTHING works IMO:
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A lot of that list is non-canon.

As far as I'm concerned.
The only 100% Canon Dragonball Material is the Dragonball Manga.

That's it.

There's a few things that could be classified as Canon, but they can be refuted.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Apr 3 2015, 03:51 PM Post #41
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Apr 3 2015, 02:33 PM
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What does pseudo canon even mean? It's either canon or it isn't. Honestly, this is how EVERYTHING works IMO:
My Timeline
A lot of that list is non-canon.

As far as I'm concerned.
The only 100% Canon Dragonball Material is the Dragonball Manga.

That's it.

There's a few things that could be classified as Canon, but they can be refuted.
No they ain't. Something doesn't have to be consistent with the main timeline to be considered canon, and even the main timeline for this franchise has been left rather ambiguous. Seriously, it amuses me when people think that there is an established canon.
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Raiken Apr 3 2015, 04:10 PM Post #42
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Apr 3 2015, 03:51 PM
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Apr 3 2015, 02:33 PM
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What does pseudo canon even mean? It's either canon or it isn't. Honestly, this is how EVERYTHING works IMO:
My Timeline
A lot of that list is non-canon.

As far as I'm concerned.
The only 100% Canon Dragonball Material is the Dragonball Manga.

That's it.

There's a few things that could be classified as Canon, but they can be refuted.
No they ain't. Something doesn't have to be consistent with the main timeline to be considered canon, and even the main timeline for this franchise has been left rather ambiguous. Seriously, it amuses me when people think that there is an established canon.
That's just your opinion, it doesn't make it right.

There is no truly classified Canon in the Dragonball Franchise, other than a few things which have been "stated" to be non-canon, e.g. Dragonball GT.
Because of the lack of established Canon, when making a classification, the only thing that could "truly" be considered 100% Canon, is the Dragonball Manga.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Apr 3 2015, 04:14 PM Post #43
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Apr 3 2015, 04:10 PM
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Apr 3 2015, 03:51 PM
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Apr 3 2015, 02:33 PM
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Apr 3 2015, 01:43 PM
What does pseudo canon even mean? It's either canon or it isn't. Honestly, this is how EVERYTHING works IMO:
My Timeline
A lot of that list is non-canon.

As far as I'm concerned.
The only 100% Canon Dragonball Material is the Dragonball Manga.

That's it.

There's a few things that could be classified as Canon, but they can be refuted.
No they ain't. Something doesn't have to be consistent with the main timeline to be considered canon, and even the main timeline for this franchise has been left rather ambiguous. Seriously, it amuses me when people think that there is an established canon.
That's just your opinion, it doesn't make it right.

There is no truly classified Canon in the Dragonball Franchise, other than a few things which have been "stated" to be non-canon, e.g. Dragonball GT.
Because of the lack of established Canon, when making a classification, the only thing that could "truly" be considered 100% Canon, is the Dragonball Manga.
I'm well aware of that, that's why i said IMO in my first post. Dragon Ball GT has never been stated to be non canon. It was stated to be a side story, which does not mean non canon.
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Billa Apr 3 2015, 04:16 PM Post #44
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Thala na Gethu!

 GT has already kiled dragonball. If it didn't, then the half-baked OVA's & Specials did.

I loath Frieza as villain. I get the guy was Most Iconic & terrifying Villain during 90's. But c'mon. He was trash once Cell came into the show & Buu just cleared the house.

Perhaps in future, TOEI'll produce:

Revival of A = Appule
Revival of Z = Zarbon
Revival of S = Saibaman

Guess what? TOEI'll give some lame-a$$ excuse as they all trained inside Goku's underwear for the past 20 years & now reached Under-Wear Mode. "some" fans as usual will lap it up. TOEI made money

Again, repeat from Step 1.
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+ Ssj3vegito96 Apr 3 2015, 04:17 PM Post #45
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 When the author says that he writes a movie that is intended to be part of the manga it should be considered canon. You can't get any closer than that

Unless someone wants to argue that the manga isn't necessarily canon?
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