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Could Vegito be stronger then SSJ4
Topic Started: Mar 25 2015, 01:52 AM (3,482 Views)
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You really have to take into account how strong Goku and Vegeta are as individuals during the time of GT. Base Goku battles Oob and General Rildo. SSJ Vegeta has little trouble with Baby Gohan and Goten. They could easily be rivaling Vegetto in power even without SSJ4
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To the topic i have to say no, i can't see how SSJ Vegito can be stronger than SSJ4 Goku Baby Arc. Back in M2 Base Goku was stronger than Anime Kid Buu who surpasses Buuhan, and considering the significant boost that SSJ4 was implyed to give i just can't see it happening.

I actually believe the SBV1 placement is the most logical one.
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Apr 6 2015, 05:24 PM
To the topic i have to say no, i can't see how SSJ Vegito can be stronger than SSJ4 Goku Baby Arc. Back in M2 Base Goku was stronger than Anime Kid Buu who surpasses Buuhan, and considering the significant boost that SSJ4 was implyed to give i just can't see it happening.

I actually believe the SBV1 placement is the most logical one.
Super Saiyan 4 at most gives 4000 and atleast 500 x base and the anime comic started that Vegito was perhaps stronger than a super Saiyan 4 and that time their was only one version of super Saiyan 4 and obe version of Vegito. Which were Buu saga Vegito and ssj 4 baby arc Goku and since those were the only versions of the characters theses were the two that were compared and if Vegito is vegeta x goku that would mean base Vegito is about 150 000 000 000 x stronger than base Goku (I have Goku and Vegeta in Buu saga base around ssj Goku level in namek).
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Goku stated that SBV is the strongest ki he ever felt which included Ssjin Vegito. The guidebook said that Vegito is perhaps stronger than Ssjin4 which probably mean that Vegito in general [Ssjin3].
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Apr 8 2015, 11:51 AM
Goku stated that SBV is the strongest ki he ever felt which included Ssjin Vegito. The guidebook said that Vegito is perhaps stronger than Ssjin4 which probably mean that Vegito in general [Ssjin3].
Well no since neither Vegeta nor Goku had any memories of their time as Vegito.


As for Goku battling Uub, was it ever stated Uub was at full power? 'Cause remember when Gotenks and Buu fought at the lookout, it got destroyed pretty easily.

As for Rildo I see no reason to believe he was as strong as the most powerful Super Buu, why would Goku include his sons and co. as part of Buu's power? He most likely means Kid Buu, not like they ever had that definition for him. He was always just Buu, Majin Buu or the fat one.


Setting aside what you think for how strong Vegito is....how about anime Vegito? Since GT isn't canon what about the non canon Vegito?
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IN BASE

Definitely a contender, GT Goku and Vegeta or not.

Also remember that's not some plain energy ball that's the energy collected from whenever Buu destroyed a planet all in one.
(anime makers never thought that was ridiculous...?)
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Apr 8 2015, 11:51 AM
Goku stated that SBV is the strongest ki he ever felt which included Ssjin Vegito. The guidebook said that Vegito is perhaps stronger than Ssjin4 which probably mean that Vegito in general [Ssjin3].
Goku was also surprised at how strong Vegito was when he went super Saiyain and didn't even use close to full power it didn't even know how strong Vegitos super Saiyain full power was and their no proof that Goku even remembers vegitos power and Goku said strongest ki he sensed not felt meaning it could be referring to any opppenent other than himself and their is no proof of super Saiyan 3 Vegito he was hypothetical. Goku also is not very good with jugding power levels like with janambe said the same thing but still went super Saiyain 3 thinking he had a chance
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Apr 8 2015, 01:58 PM
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Apr 8 2015, 11:51 AM
Goku stated that SBV is the strongest ki he ever felt which included Ssjin Vegito. The guidebook said that Vegito is perhaps stronger than Ssjin4 which probably mean that Vegito in general [Ssjin3].
Otomi was also surprised at how strong Vegito was when he went super Saiyain and didn't even use close to full power it didn't even know how strong Vegitos super Saiyain full power was and their no proof that Goku even remembers vegitos power and Goku said strongest ki he sensed not felt meaning it could be referring to any opppenent other than himself and their is no proof of super Saiyan 3 Vegito he was hypothetical. Goku also is not very good with jugding power levels like with janambe said the same thing but still went super Saiyain 3 thinking he had a chance and since we're using gt that means anime Vegito.

Base Vegito >>buuhan
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Apr 8 2015, 12:26 PM
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Apr 8 2015, 11:51 AM
Goku stated that SBV is the strongest ki he ever felt which included Ssjin Vegito. The guidebook said that Vegito is perhaps stronger than Ssjin4 which probably mean that Vegito in general [Ssjin3].
Well no since neither Vegeta nor Goku had any memories of their time as Vegito.


As for Goku battling Uub, was it ever stated Uub was at full power? 'Cause remember when Gotenks and Buu fought at the lookout, it got destroyed pretty easily.

As for Rildo I see no reason to believe he was as strong as the most powerful Super Buu, why would Goku include his sons and co. as part of Buu's power? He most likely means Kid Buu, not like they ever had that definition for him. He was always just Buu, Majin Buu or the fat one.


Setting aside what you think for how strong Vegito is....how about anime Vegito? Since GT isn't canon what about the non canon Vegito?
The one who does this:


IN BASE

Definitely a contender, GT Goku and Vegeta or not.

Also remember that's not some plain energy ball that's the energy collected from whenever Buu destroyed a planet all in one.
(anime makers never thought that was ridiculous...?)
Goku says,"I just wanted to know what it was like to go all out with Oob for once."

This is from the sub after they finish battling at the lookout. Combined with how beat up they are and the condition of the place, I always assumed that is was a 100% fight, at least at base level for Goku.
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Why do people assume the fusees don't remember their time fused? How could Vegeta have any basis for adamantly refusing to fuse with Goku again if he didn't know what it was like the first time? How about the kids and their statements?
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Apr 8 2015, 05:47 PM
Why do people assume the fusees don't remember their time fused? How could Vegeta have any basis for adamantly refusing to fuse with Goku again if he didn't know what it was like the first time? How about the kids and their statements?
Because Vegetto is maximum, no one can surpass Vegetto. Maybe Omega Shenron.
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Apr 8 2015, 05:22 PM
Goku says,"I just wanted to know what it was like to go all out with Oob for once."

This is from the sub after they finish battling at the lookout. Combined with how beat up they are and the condition of the place, I always assumed that is was a 100% fight, at least at base level for Goku.
But how can you prove that Uub was as powerful as Buu by that point? Just because he's the reincarnation doesn't mean he was instantly as strong.
I see no reason to believe that was the case how could Goku possibly have got that strong while in the living world...
After 7 years he only got to Gohan's SSj2 level or so and SSj3 while having training from Kai's and freedom to train however he wanted with no threat to his body.


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Why do people assume the fusees don't remember their time fused? How could Vegeta have any basis for adamantly refusing to fuse with Goku again if he didn't know what it was like the first time? How about the kids and their statements?


Is it not stated? The Potara is more of a complete fusion there'd be no reason for Goku and Vegeta to remember anything since they basically don't exist anymore Vegito isn't two beings put together like Gotenks he is one with one mind.
Once they defuse they don't sound like they know everything that transpired anyway.

Also what evidence is there to support people can perfectly read their own energy? Let alone while fused.
Cell never realized Gohan was much stronger than him or how much stronger ASSj Vegeta was.

Also Vegeta is Vegeta like he's going to accept needing Goku's help to defeat an enemy.
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Also what evidence is there to support people can perfectly read their own energy? Let alone while fused.

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P3.5
Context: Trunks doesn’t like the idea of fighting Boo as a Super Saiyan 3 from the start
Trunks: “I think…that we’ve already progressed so much that even in a regular state Fusion, we’ll be about equal with Majin Boo...”

Lets discuss how Trunks could possibly come to the conclusion Base Gotenks post ~ initial Super Buu if he can't even measure Gotenks' energy.
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Guys, remember that Vegetto can go Ssj3 if he wants.
Just a reminder.
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@Steve

I wasn't making an assessment about battle power, more so just commenting on why I feel that the fight was meant to be all out, minus any transformations by Goku.

But considering Oob tried to take on Baby before he even merged,, and that he contended with him in power after they joined, I do think Oob has to be on par with some form of Boo
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It's never stated that they don't remember. I'm not sure where you got that from. There's no hint of that whatsoever. Each piece seems to recall exactly what happened.
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