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Could Vegito be stronger then SSJ4
Topic Started: Mar 25 2015, 01:52 AM (3,481 Views)
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So I am debating this guys here. He is arguing that Vegito must be stronger because Vegito is Goku x Vegeta because of this link http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/ where it says that Goku x Vegeta is true he choses to ignore the other evidence but is Vegito Goku X Vegeta?

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Boo-Arc SSJ Vegetto >>> hypothetical Boo-Arc SSJ4 Goku

Boo-Arc SSJ Vegetto <<<<<<<<< Baby-Arc SSJ4 Goku
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Vegetto is maximum. Of course he's stronger than anything and everyone.
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Mar 25 2015, 02:38 AM
Vegetto is maximum. Of course he's stronger than anything and everyone.
Don't you mean Goku is maximum? :p


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Goku is part of Vegetto. :)
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Mar 25 2015, 02:44 AM
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Mar 25 2015, 02:38 AM
Vegetto is maximum. Of course he's stronger than anything and everyone.
Don't you mean Goku is maximum? :p
So stronger then all of GT?

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Oh yeah, off course, since Goku is maximum. Nobody is stronger than Goku ;-) wink wink


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Could you guys please help me with this and he thinks that Vegito can beat almost all of GT.

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Depends. Base Vegito probably could beat all of the Baby saga, maybe take on Super 17, not so sure about the Shadow Dragons, maybe 1-on-1 but not all together.

He'd need to be super saiyan, obviously, but hypothetically Vegito is stronger than any other protagonist simply because of the fact that it is a perfect fusion, it's Goku + Vegeta as opposed to a fusion dance fusions which is a mix. Therefore at that point in the Buu arc that Vegito was immensely powerful, he dominated Super Buu at the peak of his power, and Super Buu was largely more powerful that Kid Buu and Ultimate Gohan, both of whom were stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Because GT was even more inconsistent with power, however, it's difficult to be sure because the only real way to scale power is in comparison to Goku or Vegeta as they are the only really relevant and powerful heroes, but SSJ4 Gogeta would be superior to base and SSJ Vegito. Individually however, the two SSJ4's would be around the same power each.

Keep in mind that Vegito = Goku + Vegeta, and as a super saiyan that is x50. Due to the fact they both reached Super Saiyan 2 then arguably if he needed to, Vegito could enter SSJ2 or maybe even 3, boosting his power far beyond what it already is.

The entire point of going against his own rule and de-fusing Vegito was because because Toriyama made him so powerful there was no way to create suspense or even suggest he could lose, a problem later faced by quite a few other mangaka who never quite learned how to manage such things.
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vegito isnt anywhere near the power of ssj4 goku during gt. beerus is stated to be stronger than vegito and ssj post god goku is close to 70% of beerus's power.


goku after training with whis, training before EOZ and training with uub before GT would put base goku over beerus.


beerus>>vegito(BOG)

ssj goku after his god form ran out>vegito(BOG)

goku from Revival of F>vegito(BOG)

EOZ goku>vegito(BOG)

GT base goku>>vegito(BOG)

GT ssj goku>>>vegito(BOG)

GT ssj3 goku>>>>>>>vegito(BOG)

ssj4 goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vegito(BOG)

"After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"

this does not state that vegito is more powerful than ssj4 goku.

based on the revelations from BOG, Revival of F and using correct powerscaling this is only way that vegito statement can be interpreted:
"the power that vegito has from goku and vegeta merging is perhaps greater than the power that ssj4 gives".

that however would only mean that the power increase gained from goku and vegeta fusing during the buu saga is perhaps greater than ssj4's strength increase, not that vegito>ssj4 goku.
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Mar 25 2015, 11:48 PM
vegito isnt anywhere near the power of ssj4 goku during gt. beerus is stated to be stronger than vegito and ssj post god goku is close to 70% of beerus's power.


goku after training with whis, training before EOZ and training with uub before GT would put base goku over beerus.


beerus>>vegito(BOG)

ssj goku after his god form ran out>vegito(BOG)

goku from Revival of F>vegito(BOG)

EOZ goku>vegito(BOG)

GT base goku>>vegito(BOG)

GT ssj goku>>>vegito(BOG)

GT ssj3 goku>>>>>>>vegito(BOG)

ssj4 goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vegito(BOG)

"After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"

this does not state that vegito is more powerful than ssj4 goku.

based on the revelations from BOG, Revival of F and using correct powerscaling this is only way that vegito statement can be interpreted:
"the power that vegito has from goku and vegeta merging is perhaps greater than the power that ssj4 gives".

that however would only mean that the power increase gained from goku and vegeta fusing during the buu saga is perhaps greater than ssj4's strength increase, not that vegito>ssj4 goku.
Why do you insist on saying that BOG and GT take place in the same universe? I mean in Gt there are many things that Condrict BOG
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I always had in mind that Goku never trained hard enough to get to Vegetto's level of power.
Heck, I think the Ssj4 boost isn't all that impressive.

My logic has always been Ssj Vegetto > Ssj4 Gogeta. But, logic is weird on GT.
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Sounds fanboyish.
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Could some one link me something Debunking Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta
OR is it True?

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It's obvious it was a general description and not an exact formula.
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