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Pocus vs. Android arc Super Saiyans
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+ Pelador	Mar 15 2015, 03:16 PM Post #16
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Pocus makes a big deal about 10x gravity like it's some special feat. That says to me that he's no stronger than your average Saiyan.
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FutureProtagonist	Mar 15 2015, 03:18 PM Post #17
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	Quote: Pocus makes a big deal about 10x gravity like it's some special feat. That says to me that he's no stronger than your average Saiyan. Not precisely. He just thinks it gives him an advantage because (presumably), Vegeta has never experienced high gravity. Quote: All he would have to know is that the Super Saiyans are stronger than first form Freeza. Not to mention that the Super Saiyan was known a thousand years prior, so his knowledge doesn't need to apply to the Super Saiyans that we know. Why would he be thinking about the original Super Saiyan? How can he know that Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have achieved Super Saiyan, yet not know Freeza's full power? Freeza has been around for Kaioshin-knows how long and has been ruling a major part of the universe. You use his ignorance about Cell as proof that he's disconnected, but let's not forget that Cell was only alive for like, a week. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Mar 15 2015, 03:21 PM.
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lazerbem	Mar 15 2015, 03:24 PM Post #18
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Pelador Mar 15 2015, 03:16 PM Pocus makes a big deal about 10x gravity like it's some special feat. That says to me that he's no stronger than your average Saiyan. Trunks makes a big deal out of 100x gravity, I suppose that he's at 90,000
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* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 15 2015, 03:25 PM Post #19
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	FutureProtagonist Mar 15 2015, 03:18 PM Quote: Pocus makes a big deal about 10x gravity like it's some special feat. That says to me that he's no stronger than your average Saiyan. Not precisely. He just thinks it gives him an advantage because (presumably), Vegeta has never experienced high gravity. Which doesn't require him to be stronger than the average Saiyan. I however account for the fact that Bobbidi posesses him over Freeza, so I have him at a minimum of second form Freeza. Or, of course, you can account for Toriyama not thinking of Bobbidi or Pocus when Freeza was in the series. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Mar 15 2015, 03:27 PM.
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+ Pelador	Mar 15 2015, 03:25 PM Post #20
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I think his level is implied by him using a strength marker that stopped being relevant after the Saiyan saga. But hey, just my opinion.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 15 2015, 03:35 PM Post #21
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	FutureProtagonist Mar 15 2015, 03:18 PM Why would he be thinking about the original Super Saiyan? How can he know that Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have achieved Super Saiyan, yet not know Freeza's full power? Freeza has been around for Kaioshin-knows how long and has been ruling a major part of the universe. You use his ignorance about Cell as proof that he's disconnected, but let's not forget that Cell was only alive for like, a week. Because he has no context of modern Super Saiyans. Freeza is never evidenced to have used his full power publicly before Namek, and even then, the only reason that Kaioshin knew about him was because he was ruling a major part of the universe. Given how out-of-touch he was, it doesn't seem likely that he knew anything about Freeza's higher forms, or his "private" image. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Mar 15 2015, 03:35 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 15 2015, 03:40 PM Post #22
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	The fact that he knows about Goku and Gohan's ability to transform shows that he was paying at least a little attention.



* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 15 2015, 04:03 PM Post #23
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Nagito Komaeda Mar 15 2015, 03:40 PM The fact that he knows about Goku and Gohan's ability to transform shows that he was paying at least a little attention. Goku had been there for seven years, and had interacted with others considering he'd learned Metamoran fusion. Kaioshin wouldn't need to pay that close of attention to simply hear about Goku through the grapevine. And to be honest, the only reason he took a particular interest in Goku was because he was from Earth, where Boo had been planted.
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FutureProtagonist	Mar 15 2015, 04:19 PM Post #24
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	Why did Kaioshin use Freeza as a measuring stick for Goku and Vegeta if he was unaware of the events on Namek? How did he know that Goku was familiar with Freeza?
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lazerbem	Mar 15 2015, 04:32 PM Post #25
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Pelador Mar 15 2015, 03:25 PM I think his level is implied by him using a strength marker that stopped being relevant after the Saiyan saga. But hey, just my opinion. Trunks had problems with 100x gravity and Vegeta's training is around 600x at most. With this logic, Trunks is lesser to 90,000 and Vegeta is weaker than second form Freeza
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The Flash	Mar 15 2015, 05:31 PM Post #26
Posts: 181 Group: Member Member #12,082 Joined: February 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Claymore Favourite Manga DBZ , Claymore , Deadman Wonderland	I like the theory with Pui Pui being much stronger than Frieza first form. Guess it's alright if I put him at 20% of Final Form Frieza , this would make Badibi to choose him. But let's not forget that Toryiama didn't thought of Badibi and others when was making Frieza arc, so there's no great logic at all. And when Kaioshin said he could one-shot frieza what do you think toriyama and us had in mind ? Final Form Frieza has to be. It's just ... common sense.
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Decibel	Mar 15 2015, 05:50 PM Post #27
Posts: 206 Group: Member Member #11,534 Joined: July 20, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime dbz, Hunter X hunter, yuyu hakusho, claymore	I believe Pocus is powerful in his own respect and about equal to the android saga saiyans. He probably gets beat by individually. He seems too overconfident/stupid.



Darker	Mar 15 2015, 06:45 PM Post #28
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	I'm guessing most people who say Pocus is weaker (or not as strong) than 2nd form Freeza is because Kaioshin probably only saw Freeza on his first form, which I doubt. Even if the only ones who knew about Freeza being able to transform were Zarbon and probably Dodoria (and maybe some other minions, who knows), it's Kaioshin we're talking about. He's a God who has lived for millions of years, and probably knew about the existence of Freeza's race even before Freeza or maybe even Cold were born. I put Pocus higher than Final Form Freeza (no 100%). He dies here, though.
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lazerbem	Mar 15 2015, 09:07 PM Post #29
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Decibel Mar 15 2015, 05:50 PM I believe Pocus is powerful in his own respect and about equal to the android saga saiyans. He probably gets beat by individually. He seems too overconfident/stupid. Actually, one of the first things he mentions is how he should be careful
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+ Pyrus	Mar 15 2015, 09:25 PM Post #30
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	True, but then he went on to call the Saiyans un-intimidating or something similar, so he dropped his guard. Either way, it speaks to the power of Thunder Lips that rather than be disappointed in the power of him, Yeast Kaisohin was amazed at the power of Vegeta. Edited by Pyrus, Mar 15 2015, 10:33 PM.
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