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Post-Dragonball Z treatment of Gohan
Topic Started: Mar 8 2015, 02:17 PM (3,414 Views)
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Gohan the hero doesn't sell, well without garlic Jr that is!

The goal of fox is to make money, move DVDs and bluray, move merch, get networks talking about dbz. Gohan doesn't do that. Sure he has some fangirls, but at the end of the day he can't compare to the love Goku has in Japan and Vegeta has in the states. Hell I'm sure even piccolo and Krillin have about equal the popularity as Gohan.

If you want Gohan to be relevant, retweak GT, and have it be him that becomes a kid, at least then he's useful, compelling, And a savage. Plus we never saw 12-16 year old Gohan in his teen years. Adult Gohan though is just a sideshow or story. He's the Saiyaman goof, the guy that gets and ultimate power up and loses, the guy who can't beat a weaker version of androids but gets trunk sympathy from viewers and readers from how he was killed, and he's the drunk Baka at a party.
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And let's not forget. To anyone who says that Goku should have passed the torch to Gohan and not Oob, that didn't last long at all. At least Gohan beat a main villian. Oob became fodder to be thrown at Baby, and turned into a big chocolate deus ex.
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Yeah, at least Gohan got to kill a main villain, a villain who's touted as one of the best this series has to offer no less. Oob had no future in both GT and DBO. He wasn't utilized in the first arc of DBGT, and was made fodder even after attaining a new power up. In DBO's timeline, I think Oob is mentioned once and then completely forgotten about. Oob's treatment is downright comical. To be fair though, I guess, what was Oob's potential, really? He didn't have the ability to transform, he didn't have all of Boo's abilities such as regeneration and various types of magic... He was just some boy with the potential to reach Boo's level. There's no doubt he was going to be surpassed at some point in the future, be it by Goku, Vegeta, or some unknown threat, I.E. Bebi. Oob's mere existence is best left in the form of DBZ's epilogue, where no major threat is assumed to exist.
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Thala na Gethu!

Being fodder to a villain & then undergoing a chocolate deus ex is pathetic.

Getting ROFL stomped, absorbed and killed along with Earth which da "strongest UNFUSED" hero has to protect is magnificent.

Mocking Uub for his potential thing handled poorly in GT is hilarious.

At least the dude never had potential abused throughout his goddamn life.

Or had special gift as Saiyan hybrids to reach ridiculous powerups.

A human being on par with Man of the show by EoZ itself "earned" Uub some credibility. Still better than being a mere spectator watching someones daughter fight....

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Mar 9 2015, 04:01 PM
Yeah, at least Gohan got to kill a main villain, a villain who's touted as one of the best this series has to offer no less. Oob had no future in both GT and DBO. He wasn't utilized in the first arc of DBGT, and was made fodder even after attaining a new power up. In DBO's timeline, I think Oob is mentioned once and then completely forgotten about. Oob's treatment is downright comical. To be fair though, I guess, what was Oob's potential, really? He didn't have the ability to transform, he didn't have all of Boo's abilities such as regeneration and various types of magic... He was just some boy with the potential to reach Boo's level. There's no doubt he was going to be surpassed at some point in the future, be it by Goku, Vegeta, or some unknown threat, I.E. Bebi. Oob's mere existence is best left in the form of DBZ's epilogue, where no major threat is assumed to exist.
I'm in agreement with most everything you said here. As far as Oobs potential, I would say that he may have had more than just being strong. After all, he was able to use Boo's chocolate beam after merging with him, which has to be magic based, right? Dare I say, if explored better as a character, he might have had a vast amount of potential to utilize other magic based attacks.

I guess my overall point earlier was that Gohan wasn't the only character pushed aside for more Goku time.
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For all his downfall Majuub vaporized Rildo which was well above cell and super Buu. Gohan needed Vegetas help vs cell, and he lost to Super Buu and got himself killed
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Mar 10 2015, 01:01 AM
For all his downfall Majuub vaporized Rildo which was well above cell and super Buu. Gohan needed Vegetas help vs cell, and he lost to Super Buu and got himself killed
Narrative significance plays a rather large role in Gohan's victory. Rildo was fodder at that point in GT.
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Mar 10 2015, 02:08 AM
Kblo247
Mar 10 2015, 01:01 AM
For all his downfall Majuub vaporized Rildo which was well above cell and super Buu. Gohan needed Vegetas help vs cell, and he lost to Super Buu and got himself killed
Narrative significance plays a rather large role in Gohan's victory. Rildo was fodder at that point in GT.
Fodder that had Gohan backed up against a wall with a arm of metal.
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It's just that Gohan was a main Character of equal importance to Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo throughout the whole of Dragonball Z.

Piccolo lost his importance in the Buu arc.

And now it looks like Gohan has too.

So how did we go from 4 almost equally main Characters, "along with Future Trunks for a large part of the series", to just left with Goku and Vegeta, and now in BoG, putting Gohan's level of importance down to Piccolo's.
It just really grinds my gears, what happened in the Buu Arc with Gohan and Piccolo already annoyed me, but it's just gotten a lot worse in BoG.

Way to ruin my two favourite characters and make it a giant Goku/Vegeta rivalry fap fest, it's as bad as Naruto/Sasuke.
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Thala na Gethu!

Goku/Vegeta rivalry is as iconic as the show itself.

The closest comes the Gon/Killua friendship which is admirable & downright epic.

Nakamaboy/steretypical anti-hero relationship is comparable to that of poop & fly. Now dont ask me which 1 is poop & which 1 is fly.

Piccolo has always been a cool side guy. Not main guy. Similar to Gohan.

Dbz has a ton of secondary characters. Thing is TOEI doesnt use them. Dot.


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Kblo247
Mar 11 2015, 01:18 AM
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Mar 10 2015, 02:08 AM
Kblo247
Mar 10 2015, 01:01 AM
For all his downfall Majuub vaporized Rildo which was well above cell and super Buu. Gohan needed Vegetas help vs cell, and he lost to Super Buu and got himself killed
Narrative significance plays a rather large role in Gohan's victory. Rildo was fodder at that point in GT.
Fodder that had Gohan backed up against a wall with a arm of metal.
That's completely irrelevant. Cell was a big deal when Gohan killed him. Rildo wasn't when Oob killed him.
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So how did we go from 4 almost equally main Characters, "along with Future Trunks for a large part of the series", to just left with Goku and Vegeta, and now in BoG, putting Gohan's level of importance down to Piccolo's.
It just really grinds my gears, what happened in the Buu Arc with Gohan and Piccolo already annoyed me, but it's just gotten a lot worse in BoG.

Way to ruin my two favourite characters and make it a giant Goku/Vegeta rivalry fap fest, it's as bad as Naruto/Sasuke.

This is either the result of an oversight, or Toriyama continuing with the theme of "hard work surpasses natural talent". Heck it could be both. Toriyama probably had no intention of sidelining these characters, but Goku and Vegeta are the only ones that actually have any interest in ever increasing their abilities, as a result, they're the main focus. Woah now, how Naruto and Sasuke are written is faaaaaaaaaar worse than the situation regarding Goku and Vegeta. I mean for one thing, Goku isn't constantly trying to redeem an evil Vegeta because he's his "best friend".
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The Goku Vegeta rivalry never appealed to me because Vegeta always seemed like a petulant child whilst Goku trolled him(I'd get mad admittedly about that).

Not to mention the reveal in the Boo Saga that even in their own even battle, Vegeta had to sell his soul to match Goku and Goku was going easy on him to spare his feelings
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Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans

Say what you want about Vegeta, but at least he wants to be a fighter.

In a show that is entirely about fighting, it seems weird to have one of the main characters be someone who is constantly reluctant to battle.

We can't always have what we want. If I could, Piccolo would be Goku's rival, the Super Namekian and Super Saiya-jin side by side, representing the universe's best warrior races.

Alas, DBZ is another name for "The Goku & Guests show"
We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.
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Vegeta and Goku are stealing Gohan's gimmick. Funny part is that Vegeta b*** a*** don't deserve s*** and if he beats Freeza it won't mean s***
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Mar 11 2015, 04:13 PM
Goku/Vegeta rivalry is as iconic as the show itself.




I have to agree, I know some people don't, and that's okay. From the time Vegeta was introduced, I felt like the dynamic of him vs. Goku was one of the best aspects of the series. Then, you add in that Vegeta is one of the few characters to get developed in Z. Think about it like this: Vegeta goes from invading alien, to reluctant ally out for his own gain, to the speech when he's dying at Freeza's hands, to being lost on Earth, to marrying Bulma and raising Trunks, to Majin Vegeta and then finally agreeing to fuse with Goku. Then, if you accept the revised ending, back to renewing the rivalry again! I defy anyone to name a character in Z who got more development than that, and that's why I think the people wanted Goku and Vegeta, even if Toriyama tried to force Gohan on them. Just my opinion, of course.
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