Bills vs SSj4 Goku (Baby-Saga)

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Bills vs SSj4 Goku (Baby-Saga)
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~~StrawHatCrew~~	Mar 7 2015, 07:45 PM Post #31
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Mar 7 2015, 06:18 PM I don't think Goku knows how to pay bills so the bills win. I heard that joke before...somewhere.



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	Mar 7 2015, 10:28 PM Post #32
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	Ssj3vegito96 Mar 7 2015, 06:22 PM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Mar 7 2015, 05:56 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Mar 7 2015, 09:33 AM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Mar 7 2015, 02:52 AM xGOKUdaFALLENx Mar 6 2015, 11:00 PM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Mar 6 2015, 09:50 PM ssj4 goku destroys beerus easily. ssj goku post god was near 70% of beerus's strength. all of the training that goku did after BOG would put him above beerus even before EOZ. gt goku is much stronger than EOZ goku. ssj4 goku would humiliate him. Then why not opt for SSJG when it clearly gives such a large power boost? both an in-universe and out-of-universe explanation are possible in this case. ssjg couldnt be used against baby vegeta for obvious reasons, everyone was too hurt to give energy when goku fought against super 17 and pan didnt give any energy when goku fought yi xing long. an out of universe explanation is that the concept of ssjg was not invented at that time, but no event in gt contradicts the existence of ssjg. there were never at least 5 saiyans putting their energy into one individual saiyan. goku isnt opting for ssjg in Fukkatsu no F, so your point is not a valid one. ssjg wouldnt have the same impact that it had the first time. goku already has god essence in him. It can't be explained in-universe because Goku would have referenced beings superior to Vegito (Birusu, Whis and Frieza) after Baby's further evolutions. Unless of course Birusu and up are stronger than Baby. I agree with the out-universe explanation but I'll look into that tomorrow. what proof do you have that goku had vegito in mind? he didnt even say his name. beerus, whis and frieza are superior to vegito. using an in universe explanation, goku saying that baby vegeta is the greatest ki that has nothing to do with vegito. baby being the greatest ki that he has ever felt puts baby above fighters like beerus, whis and frieza whom are all superior to vegito. Why would goku have the weaker method of fusion in mind? Why make it more complex? I have read anything above so I may have missed something nobody talked about gogeta. vegito has been surpassed even before EOZ, so goku saying that baby vegeta was the strongest ki that he had ever felt doesnt mean that vegito was just surpassed at that point. xGOKUdaFALLENx Mar 7 2015, 07:14 PM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Mar 7 2015, 05:56 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Mar 7 2015, 09:33 AM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Mar 7 2015, 02:52 AM xGOKUdaFALLENx Mar 6 2015, 11:00 PM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Mar 6 2015, 09:50 PM ssj4 goku destroys beerus easily. ssj goku post god was near 70% of beerus's strength. all of the training that goku did after BOG would put him above beerus even before EOZ. gt goku is much stronger than EOZ goku. ssj4 goku would humiliate him. Then why not opt for SSJG when it clearly gives such a large power boost? both an in-universe and out-of-universe explanation are possible in this case. ssjg couldnt be used against baby vegeta for obvious reasons, everyone was too hurt to give energy when goku fought against super 17 and pan didnt give any energy when goku fought yi xing long. an out of universe explanation is that the concept of ssjg was not invented at that time, but no event in gt contradicts the existence of ssjg. there were never at least 5 saiyans putting their energy into one individual saiyan. goku isnt opting for ssjg in Fukkatsu no F, so your point is not a valid one. ssjg wouldnt have the same impact that it had the first time. goku already has god essence in him. It can't be explained in-universe because Goku would have referenced beings superior to Vegito (Birusu, Whis and Frieza) after Baby's further evolutions. Unless of course Birusu and up are stronger than Baby. I agree with the out-universe explanation but I'll look into that tomorrow. what proof do you have that goku had vegito in mind? he didnt even say his name. beerus, whis and frieza are superior to vegito. using an in universe explanation, goku saying that baby vegeta is the greatest ki that has nothing to do with vegito. baby being the greatest ki that he has ever felt puts baby above fighters like beerus, whis and frieza whom are all superior to vegito. In-universe Ki isn't the same as Godly Ki so Goku could have only reference Ki in general (the power they use normally) since he didn't say Godly Ki. And if I'm not mistaken, Godly Ki was made out to be different in regards to standard Ki. really? we are going to nitpick at the text now? the only stated difference between god ki and normal ki is that god ki cannot be sensed by others that arent gods. goku can sense both, so that is not an argument. god ki is simply a different type of ki. god ki falls under the category as a type of ki. frieza has no god ki, yet he is superior to beerus and post god goku. goku has god ki, so according to your logic, goku wouldnt even fall under his own statement about baby being the greatest ki that he has ever felt. goku not taking gods into account is absolutely not an argument. Porcukor Mar 7 2015, 07:44 PM SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Mar 6 2015, 09:50 PM ssj4 goku destroys beerus easily. ssj goku post god was near 70% of beerus's strength. all of the training that goku did after BOG would put him above beerus even before EOZ. gt goku is much stronger than EOZ goku. ssj4 goku would humiliate him. you know Eoz has nothing to do with BoG and the upcoming movie. what? BOG is stated to happen in the decade between the end of the buu saga and EOZ.
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+ Emmeth	Mar 7 2015, 11:12 PM Post #33
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	The way Beerus put some effort into banging around the Zet-Senshi, I don't think he's up to the task here. Do you guys have any idea of the scaling in GT? It's ridiculous.
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+ Six Trails	Mar 7 2015, 11:45 PM Post #34
Posts: 1,570 Group: Elite Member Member #11,764 Joined: October 23, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country United States	I doubt Beers makes it past Super Baby 1.



Slifer	Mar 7 2015, 11:46 PM Post #35
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	SSJ Vegetto Mar 7 2015, 11:45 PM I doubt Beers makes it past Super Baby 1. What makes you say that?



+ miguelnuva	Mar 7 2015, 11:48 PM Post #36
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	I have Beerus stomping here. Goku thought Ssj3 Vegito wouldn't have a chance against the supreased Beerus.
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Event Horizon	Mar 7 2015, 11:50 PM Post #37
エンペラー Posts: -894,312 Group: Elite Four Member #7,966 Joined: July 18, 2012	Mr. Hashbrowns Mar 7 2015, 11:46 PM SSJ Vegetto Mar 7 2015, 11:45 PM I doubt Beers makes it past Super Baby 1. What makes you say that? Goku: "You're the strongest Ki I've ever felt, SBV1". BoG took place a few years before EoZ. And EoZ is 5 years before GT. SBV1 > Beerus Simple.



lazerbem	Mar 8 2015, 02:34 AM Post #38
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	miguelnuva Mar 7 2015, 11:48 PM I have Beerus stomping here. Goku thought Ssj3 Vegito wouldn't have a chance against the supreased Beerus. Not a chance? No, Goku actually considers it and only says it probably won't work. Nothing to the lines of no chance.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Mar 8 2015, 07:30 AM Post #39
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	lazerbem Mar 8 2015, 02:34 AM miguelnuva Mar 7 2015, 11:48 PM I have Beerus stomping here. Goku thought Ssj3 Vegito wouldn't have a chance against the supreased Beerus. Not a chance? No, Goku actually considers it and only says it probably won't work. Nothing to the lines of no chance. But was goku predicting what Beerus's full power was when he said that or was he comparing vegito to suppressed beerus?
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+ Pyrus	Mar 8 2015, 07:47 AM Post #40
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Why would Goku expect Beerus to be suppressed? He didn't when he fought him in god mode later on.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Mar 8 2015, 08:07 AM Post #41
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Pyrus Mar 8 2015, 07:47 AM Why would Goku expect Beerus to be suppressed? He didn't when he fought him in god mode later on. Didnt he ask to see a little of his power? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Mar 8 2015, 08:07 AM.
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FutureSaiyan	Mar 8 2015, 09:52 AM Post #42
Posts: 924 Group: Member Member #11,997 Joined: January 18, 2015 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Naruto, Bleach, AoT, Death Note, FMAB Favourite Manga DBZ	Goku's judgement is not to be relied on. He thought the boys fusion would be more than enough never intending for ss3 (which just made them worthy).



+ Six Trails	Mar 8 2015, 09:56 AM Post #43
Posts: 1,570 Group: Elite Member Member #11,764 Joined: October 23, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country United States	And who said he wrong about the boys fusion?



+ Emmeth	Mar 8 2015, 09:59 AM Post #44
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	SSJ Vegetto Mar 8 2015, 09:56 AM And who said he wrong about the boys fusion? This. The boys' SSjin Gotenks would be enough for Fat Boo. That's what he was banking on.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Mar 8 2015, 09:35 PM Post #45
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	If suppressed beerus>BOG ssj3 vegito and BOG goku and vegeta>>>buu saga vegito then how far should full power beerus be in GT?
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