Steve

Mar 5 2015, 12:19 AM

Luffy wins that easily I'd say the others wouldn't be able to do any damage to him at all. Second would probably be Gon based on strength, then Naruto then Ichigo.

Post time skip Luffy vs Netero vs Pain arc SM Naruto vs...hmm, SS arc Yoruichi maybe? I'm thinking since everyone is equipped to deal with speed, sensing, general senses and reflexes and attack ranges.
Hard to tell how fast she actually is at that point though considering how silly the training gains are half the time.

Failing Yoruichi maybe Komamura, durability and strength would do him well.


That'd be a cool brawl. I think it'd come down to Luffy and Netero unless Naruto wiped one out, with no extra clones or backup he wouldn't be able to fight very long but he can deal high damage.

Billa

Mar 5 2015, 05:19 PM

Yo Steve, ur hyping for Luffy is plain obvious. Its like build-up for Yamcha kinda guys.

1. Ur plain wrong with Netero goin for defence against the likes as Luffy. The guy does his prayer-stance & Luffy' Doomed.

2. The old guy doesn't even bother goin for Zero against Luffy. His single, faster-than-sound fist would make the pirate cough blood. Lets not even talk abt Netero's 99th Hand....

Steve

Mar 5 2015, 03:39 PM

Nah Ichigo has no idea what he's doing with his sword this early on and has no access to decent powers or speed he only wrecks the Hollow because of his high spiritual power, wouldn't really do anything to the others they're not weakened by it like Hollows.

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Like has too wide an array of techniques and can attack from greater distances and has much higher physical strength and endurance.

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This is Yoruichi early on though she was heavily weakened by 100 years of not training she could barely handle Byakuya. Naruto's defense and offense are great here probably better than Luffy's Armament but as I said it doesn't last long though it is a constant affect. Plus he has sensing so speed blitzing him wouldn't be an easy thing to do.

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Nah Netero would be on the defense against Luffy for sure, Yoruichi would get wrecked if she took him on and Naruto could take the hits but he'd run out of Nature Energy if he fought too long.
Luffy can take almost any blunt force attack without issue so being slapped around wouldn't do much and Netero would have to focus on slapping his arms away when he's going for Armament + Gear Third + Gatling.

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Netero could probably beat Luffy with Zero Hand easily but if he used that and anyone else was alive obviously he's screwed

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Netero would probably struggle there. Yamamoto should stomp as soon as he goes Bankai but before that Hashi and Whitebeard would mostly be equal I'd say, at least until Hashi used his pollen not much Whitebeard could do to that.
Would be a really easy fight for Yama flying negates everything Whitebeard could do to him with his power, he could burn Mokuton constructs hilariously easily and melt Netero with Bankai.

Steve

Mar 5 2015, 08:00 PM

Wrong because Luffy is definitely over sound speed in Gear Second without any Gear he can dodge bullets easily even at close range.

Course flintlock pistols and rifles don't shoot at the speed of sound but close enough and then add on G2 and definitely sound+

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What would Netero's ability even do to him though? He's made of rubber he can fall like any distance and take no damage and can be squashed and be fine only other Devil Fruit powers, Haki and sharp objects do anything to him.

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His Armament makes his skin at least as hard as steel given that he can punch the sharp edge of a katana with no issues. And he can punch fast enough that it seems like he has many fists.
Netero would definitely be on the defence given that his ability isn't sentient so it couldn't grab his fists just slap them away.

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Zero Hand is the only thing with the type of power needed to damage Luffy. Thn there's Red Hawk for when Netero is going hand to hand if he chooses to. Can't really argue with feats.

supersaqer

Mar 5 2015, 08:51 PM

He has an idea of how he can use his sword, and he has a pseudo-Getsuga Tensho at the beginning too.

He'd be at a disadvantage against Ichigo. You'd have to know that Ichigo will be able to hurt him because he had access to Reiatsu in the first chapter, which is the equivalent of Haki.

Better than Luffy's Armament? Nah, not even close.

Netero slapped Pitou before she could even react, and sent her over 500 meters away (and that's after Pitou unleashed her ability to stop her from flying even more). Also his attacks are seriously strong.
He won't need it here. He would wreck him w/o it.

Being over the speed of sound won't matter shiz to Netero, also Luffy is way above the speed of sound, but Netero is so much faster to the point Luffy won't even know what hit him, and would get wrecked quickly.

At least as hard as steel isn't worth anything. BoS Killua's claws are much sharper than knives and they aren't worth shiz. Also Netero is massively faster than Luffy. Luffy would get wrecked the moment the fight begins.

Sanji vs Kurapika vs Kakashi vs Kenpachi

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Not in the very first chapter it ends with him killing the Hollow with a slash, he doesn't learn anything else until after that whereas the Luffy we see is him after years of training to be able to use his ability, most of the things he does up until Gear Second are things he already knew how to do.

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Not really Haki is a bit different it's based on willpower if you were to blend that in with Reiatsu, Chakra and Nen then Ichigo would be weak as crap because his will is pathetic and Naruto would be a God. Obviously Gon has no access to Nen in the first chapter.

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I'd say it is given he fell off a mountain on to spikes and was fine, didn't even feel it. As well as breaking Pain's rods several steel scalpels could barely scratch them and just his palm would smash them.

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It doesn't really matter how strong they are against Luffy they'd just knock him around and not do much else. He's been stuck in a tiny gap between two buildings that made his whole body flat. He's been smashed by hammers and rocks too IIRC, not sure if canon, though I never watched any filler eps so seems unlikely every scene would be filler.

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Well like I said he'd get slapped away but it wouldn't do anything, Luffy's range is greater than Netero's too so he can use G3 + Armament to attack safely.
Grizzly Magnum would do some serious damage.

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Well on top of that he punched the sword of an Admiral, he's probably like the second greatest swordsman in the series so far if not the greatest. He punched the sword fine and resisted the guys strength.
Remember people in OP can cut whole buildings in half with one swing they do crazy stuff with swords.
Killua's claws are great in HxH when have they not worked besides against Chimera Ants with extra defence?

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Most Kenpachi's should take that really unless this is war arc or Kakashi of the Sharingan due to Kamui hax.

supersaqer

Mar 6 2015, 11:58 AM

He doesn't know how to do it, but if he's forced enough, he's capable of doing it. Also Luffy certainly doesn't know every kind of attack until the Enies Lobby Arc. There are techniques where he learned during his journey. Also Luffy was getting stronger and stronger every time he travels, so you cannot use any Luffy beyond the first arc.

They are the equivalent of each other, and Naruto is weak af in the first chapter. Ichigo isn't really weak. He was capable of easily taking off the arm of a Hollow and could fend off a Menos Grande at full power using a pseudo-GT.

We don't know how he survived that. Maybe he caught the side of it? Where was it stated to be steel? He was breaking them with Frog Kumite.

They would just knock him around? Luffy has a really high resistance to physical blunt attacks and we know that pre-skip he was getting hit by non-Haki attacks. Just adding Haki would remove his resistance and would make him in a lot of pain. Netero's Buddah is obviously made out of Nen. Luffy, even at full power, is getting lolstomped by Netero in a very short time.


It wouldn't do anything? Netero's first barrage of attacks left a crater similar in size to a plateau. That was only his first barrage. Luffy's getting effortlessly stomped. I doubt Luffy's range is greater than Netero. Grizzly Magnum is getting deflected.

The admirals were playing with him and it's common knowledge that Luffy should be able to do something to save his brother as the main character. There aren't many people who can cut buildings in OP. Killua's claws, pre-nen is much sharper than knives, casually. So post-nen it should be massively stronger, and after training in GI and in the CA arc it should even be way much stronger.

You mean his double MS? I think it could go either way against Kenpachi. Followed by Kurapika and then Sanji imo.

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Not without any training or being used to his powers though.

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Well, he still has the best ones like Bazooka and Gatling and can punch that fast.

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Not really though you couldn't call Chakra and Nen Haki without severely limiting how powerful they are because the powers are very different.
If anything Devil Fruit powers can be attributed to Nen, Reitsu etc like Ace's fire attacks you could say use chakra.
But Haki is more of an abstract power, like Nature Energy in Naruto not everyone can use that.

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That was after getting used to his powers and training with them a bit though couldn't do that in the first chapter.

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He definitely makes contact with it and smashes it though if his flesh were weaker that wouldn't be possible with strength alone he'd damage his hand but was fine. Steel is a pretty standard thing for scalpels to be made of.

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As I said Haki and Nen etc can't really be compared the same way it's an odd type of energy. If you want to use that argument then there's no reason why anyone else should have Conquerors Haki since it's not a power of their world and seems to be related to DNA.

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Grizzly Magnum should definitely do damage his arms obviously weigh a lot with G3 + Armament and then he increases the force with stretching them back that's effectively two heavy metal balls being flung at the enemy.

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Different Admiral, this is a recent thing. Actually cutting buildings is a pretty standard thing Zoro could do it way back in Alabasta high tier swordsman can do way more than that.
KIllua's never been shown to combine them with Gyo so he'd need to be doing that for a significant boost.

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Nah double MS Kakashi would stomp he can't be hit, can phase through while attacking and can send people in to the dimension plus Susano'o which sure as hell seems like the strongest one bar Sasuke's final one.
He could attack with Susano'o, make Kenpachi block the hit and then send him away in to the dimension.
Which he no doubt would as Kenpachi would be giving off a ridiculous amount of energy.

supersaqer

Mar 7 2015, 08:17 AM

He did it w/o any training.

Bazooka is going to be the thing. Gatling Gun was seen to be dodged.

Haki is basically Nen and the DF are the Hatsu. They're extremely similar. Reiatsu and Chakra are still comparable to Haki, with Reiatsu being better comparable to Haki than Chakra is.

Everyone is capable of Haki, but not everyone can access to it.

Again, he's basically the same until the end of the first arc. He needs to be pushed to use that kind of power.

But the One Piece world is pretty old, and not all scalpels are made of steel. There are also variations of steel. We've seen Luffy struggling to break steel vs Don Krieg. He used a lot of combination attacks and at the end he broke it.

]They're going to be deflected. Meruem charging seriously was knocked away by Netero's strikes and we know that Meruem is much stronger than Luffy.

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Different Admiral, this is a recent thing. Actually cutting buildings is a pretty standard thing Zoro could do it way back in Alabasta high tier swordsman can do way more than that.
KIllua's never been shown to combine them with Gyo so he'd need to be doing that for a significant boost.

Well, he was cutting small wooden buildings back in Alabasta, and barely at full power. You know the difference between an average sized modern building and a small sized wooden building.


If you mean standard War Arc Kakashi? He gets literally stomped by Sanji. His physical stats are worth shiz. It would take double MS Kakashi to combat current Kenpachi. Kenpachi could literally shatter a meteor that was going to completely wipe out Seretei with one strike of his Shikai while still being patched. He's also quite fast.

So can you think of a fight yourself .

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Well he had training in the sense that he'd got used to his Shinigami form.

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It's dodge-able yeah but the only person with notable speed in chapter one of their series is Naruto, nobody else comes close to how fast Luffy can punch.

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But the DF doesn't require Haki to use though. They are similar in use but not in attainment Nen takes years of meditation and training to access but Haki can be accessed spontaneously through willpower nobody with a weak will has access to Haki in the series but people with weak willpower in HxH do so it wouldn't really work to mix them together.

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Nope just read the chapter, he has no idea how to control his power or use it in any way he only lets it out against the Menos' Cero.
Considering he's not going to be facing an attack remotely similar to the Cero he's not going to pull off unleashing his power.

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Naruto world you mean
That was way early in the series Luffy could barely do that though that's the episode 21 time zone his post time skip strength is incomparable to that.

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Easily topples Wadatsumi with one punch in G2.

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Doesn't really matter if Netero slaps Luffy's fists away he can just keep punching same as he did against the Noah, which is big enough to destroy Fishman Island which I believe has 5 million inhabitants.

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Why I said Netero would be on the defensive against him.

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Even if that isn't good enough he could use G2 on top of that, he's reckless enough to go for it he might be half dead afterwards.

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I doubt it Sanji isn't all that he couldn't best Lightning Blade or Kamui the hax is too strong.
Against Kenpachi it depends really, he might get wrecked easily by being arrogant and thinking Kamui won't do anything to him.

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Hmmm...

Ace vs Feitan vs Edo Hiruzen(no regen just reserves) vs Edrad Liones

Thinking fire based powers here obviously Feitan can only get the star power as that's all we know of.
Feitan should take it if he can use his ability but the question is does he last long enough to use it and get enough power in to it...