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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Mar 2 2015, 06:34 PM Post #1 |
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Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans
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Which side will end up with the higher amount of victories? Rules: (1) The battles are equal-powers (2) The battles are conducted between canon villains and their movie counterparts (I took some discretion with this, sue me )(3) The ultimate winner is the side (canon or movie) that has the most victors 1. Raditz vs. Garlic Jr 2. Vegeta, Nappa, and Saibamen vs. Dr. Wheelo and henchmen 3. Vegeta & Hencmen vs. Turles & Henchmen -- (Or Ginyu Force vs. Turles's gang if you choose) 4. Frieza vs. Slug 5. Frieza vs. Cooler -- (Or #20 vs. Cooler if you choose) 6. #17 and #18 vs. 2 Meta Coolers 7. Imperfect Cell vs. Super #13 8. Perfect Cell vs. Broly 9. Cell & Cell Jrs. vs. Bojack's Gang 10. Dabura vs. Bio-Broly 11. Majin Vegeta vs. Broly 12. Fat Buu vs. Fat Janemba; Super Buu vs. Super Janemba 13. Pure Buu vs. Hirudegarn 14. Bonus round (because Bills is technically canon but he is also a movie villain): Buuhan vs. Bills Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Mar 2 2015, 06:37 PM.
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Mar 2 2015, 06:51 PM Post #2 |
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1. Garlic Jr. [movie] 2. Vegeta, Nappa, and Saibamen [canon] 3. Vegeta and Henchmen [canon] 4. Freeza [canon] 5. Cooler in both scenarios [movie] 6. 17 and 18 [canon] 7. Imperfect Cell [canon 8. Broly [movie] 9. Cell and Cell Jr.s [canon] 10. Dabura [canon] 11. Broly [movie] 12. Super Janemba [movie] 13. Pure Boo [canon] 14. Boohan [canon] Canon wins |
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| The Flash | Mar 2 2015, 07:17 PM Post #3 |
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1. Raditz (canon) 2. Vegeta , Nappa and Saibaman (canon) 3. Ginyu force (canon) 4. Frieza (canon) 5. Both Coolers (movie) 6. #17 and #18 (canon) 7. Super #13 (movie) 8. Perfect Cell (canon) 9. Bojack's gang (movie) 10. Dabura (canon) 11. Main Vegeta (canon) 12. Janemba (movie) 13. Hirudegarn (movie) 14. Buuhan (canon) Canon wins here too |
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| EMIYA | Mar 2 2015, 07:38 PM Post #4 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Radtiz is a terrible fighter with seemingly no skills on his part. Garlic on the other hand at the very least has a dimensional ripping attack. Even if both characters are similar in combat abilitiy, Garlic's quite frankly rather intense ability and really better body composition having a bit more muscles on his part and stuff would most likely edge out the win for him. WINNER: Garlic Don't remember much on movie 2 so I'll just leave that. As far as Vegeta vs Turles goes (Henchmen I'll leave out) They're probably similar in terms of combat ability and techniques. Vegeta's got the edge I'd say in durability but Turles' supposed power despite showing shock at Goku's PL of 30,000 and skyrocketing was still about to kill a 100,000 level Oozaru Gohan. indicating that Turles amp may be quite powerful. They both have knowledge on the Oozaru and can both create moons though Turles may not be able to control his own form like Vegeta. Overall, it's rather undecided point for me here. WINNER: Undecided Freeza's got too many techniques and abilities on his part. Add in his god-like durability and Slugs not going to make it. WINNER: Freeza For Cooler vs Freeza, Cooler is essentially a better Freeza. We assume he has the same techniques but he's a lot more level headed (sometimes) and we already know how godly Freeza's durability is. Well Freeza didn't have part of his head and some of his brain matter shoved into the sun and managed to get of that alive. Cooler's durability is quite frankly the most haxed thing in the entire series bar none. WINNER: Cooler #17 and #18 and have basically no combat ability whatsoever. Cooler who has all the abilities of cooler, now has regeneration, infinite ki, and the ability to upgrade his power The cyborgs are going to get wrecked. WINNER: Metal Cooler Although Cell lacks #13's infinite ki, his sheer tenacity, skills, techniques, regeneration and intelligence easily makes up for it. Cell also lacks the Anti-Super Saiyan button usually enclosed between a Saiyan's legs as well. In the end, this is a match where Cell's superioity in practically but a few categories will give him the win. WINNER: Imperfect Cell Much like the above, Cell just has too many advantages over Broly. He's a better fighter, more techniques, more skills, regeneration, intelligence. put it all together and Broly's got the short end of the stick. Dabura's entire mode of operation is to do sneak attacks on rusty people...and he fails miserably at it. Bio Broly has what we may infer to be the full capabilities of Broly himself, but now has a malleable body and regeneration on top of that. Dabura's not going to be able to handle that, especially when he can barely handle a rusty Gohan. WINNER: Bio Broly While not nearly as skilled with techniques or abilities as Cell, Vegeta is still a much better fighter than Broly is. He's still got more techniques on his part, better fighting abilities and the Majin Charm may also grant him increased endurance as well. WINNER: Majin Vegeta Both Janembas and Boos have similar aspects to them. Their both reality warpers with strong abilities. In the end, I'd have to give it to Boo. Both Boos are smarter than Janemba (Fat Boo slightly more than Fat Janemba) But Super Boo is outright capable of panning stuff. Boo's regeneration is massive and its unknown what kind of regeneration Janemba would have in comparison, though most put it on the same level as Boo. In the end, I suppose it comes down really to just sheer intelligence which Boo pulls of the win in. That's of course without getting into Janemba weaksauce weakness. WINNER: Boo Hirudengard has one unique technique...a technique that can be exploited. Kid Boo is...well a Boo, I think you know where this is going. WINNER: Kid Boo Until Bud Light starts breaking realities, regenerating from single cells, manipulating dimensions and being all sorts of hax, he ain't taking on Boo at equal levels. WINNER: Boo Canon would appear to take this. |
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Garlic Jr: I think Magarlic's magical abilities are too much for Raditz. Vegeta, Nappa, and Saibaimen: I think Team Vegeta's ki usage is a big advantage. This is a time when I think machines of DBZ would fail in a fight like this. Plus, Vegeta and Nappa have Saibaimen that easily have likeness of Kamikaze Ghosts. Ginyu Force: Although I think Gurd would die, the others are capable of handling Turles while wagering on each other's own performance on their turn. I just think Turles would have a hard time getting to fruit when the Ginyu Force has Burter. And I'm willing to bet the Ginyu Force heard rumors about the Tree of Might. Another advantage. Frieza vs. Slug: Freeza's trained skills will outdo Slug. Frieza vs. Cooler: Freeza. Twins vs. 2 Metal Coolers: I personally think the twins have good team work when they need to kill an opponent. I think the twins could pull off a win, but they won't be happy about the condition of their clothes. Imperfect Cell vs. Super #13: We have two different styles clashing here... So this is good. 13's aggressiveness may very well > Cell's sneakiness. Cell also relies on his tail too much in this state. Trying to stab #13 could put Cell in a bad position depending on the circumstance. Perfect Cell vs. Broly: Cell would use his head to give him a win in a bloody fight. I really think Cell could greatly utilize his Goku side within him to end Broly. Cell and kids vs. Bojack's gang: Cell's family has everything it needs to find a way around the Pirates. Dabura vs. Bio Broly: Well, Dabura could phone a friend and get the stage change for an instant win. Majin Vegeta vs. Broly: At this point no one could stop Vegeta from getting to Kakarrot. I don't think even Broly would want to win this fight as badly as Vegeta. Fat Boo vs. Fat Janemba: I think Boo is smarter. After a few weeks I think Boo would win with a trick. Pure Boo vs. Hirudegarn: I guess Pure Boo having a move set with Instant Transmission would give him the edge when he realizes Hirudegarn could kill him if the situation is caught right. Gohan-Boo vs. Beerus: I think Beerus could drive Gohan-Boo bananas. I think this fight would show you how much of a master Beerus really is. And personally, I think Beerus could touch Gohan-Boo with his finger and make him crumble as sand. Canon wins here. Edited by Professor Gohan, Mar 3 2015, 01:40 PM.
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| FutureSaiyan | Mar 2 2015, 08:06 PM Post #6 |
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A Question to the responders, We are told Beerus is stronger than Vegito, who could have easily taken diwn Buuhan, Yet you all place Buuhan over Beerus? |
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| EMIYA | Mar 2 2015, 08:10 PM Post #7 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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The matches are set at equal levels. |
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| Darker | Mar 2 2015, 08:20 PM Post #8 |
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1. Raditz vs. Garlic Jr Garlic, for obvious reasons. 2. Vegeta, Nappa, and Saibamen vs. Dr. Wheelo and henchmen Dr. Wheelo has this. 3. Vegeta & Henchmen vs. Turles & Henchmen Turles. Don't remember much about him, but I think he was much more brutal than Vegeta. 4. Frieza vs. Slug Freeza. 5. Frieza vs. Cooler 5th form Cooler stomps Freeza, much more durable and more viciously brutal. 6. #17 and #18 vs. 2 Meta Coolers Meta-Cooler. 18 and 17 might get cocky. 7. Imperfect Cell vs. Super #13 Cell, since he's much faster. 8. Perfect Cell vs. Broly Cell stomps that idiotic ape. 9. Cell & Cell Jrs. vs. Bojack's Gang Cell alone gets rid of all these guys. More experience + intelligence + more techniques 10. Dabura vs. Bio-Broly Given that Bio-Broly could barely even move or attack properly, Dabura has this with ease. 11. Majin Vegeta vs. Broly Vegeta stomps. Broly is just a stupid ape. 12. Fat Buu vs. Fat Janemba; Super Buu vs. Super Janemba Janemba has no means to put Boo down. Not to mention, he's stupid. 13. Pure Buu vs. Hirudegarn Regeneration is very helpful here. 14. Bonus round: Buuhan vs. Bills Without God Ki, Boohan can't do s*** to him. If God Ki is not allowed, then Boo might take this, even if Beerus is hundreds of times more experienced. |
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| lazerbem | Mar 2 2015, 08:23 PM Post #9 |
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Garlic's Dead Zone is broken as Hell at equal levels, Raditz is going to get sucked away I really think people are forgetting the unique abilites of Wheelo's henchmen. Without a power advantage, none of the Saiyan team can hurt Misokatsun, Ebifurya can just freeze them solid, and Kishime's electro-whips and teleportation are going to be wreaking havoc here without any speed blitzing. The bio-warriors win Ginyu Force vs Tullece and Co. wins due to their unique abilities and actually good team attacks. Guldo is the MVP for psychic binds Freeza vs Slug ends up with Freeza being too fast for the goliath, down goes Slug 20 vs Cooler is going to end poorly since Cooler has shown a propensity towards throwing Supernova recklessly, which will lead to a huge energy boost The Androids have nothing on the regeneration and skill of the Meta-Coolers Super 13 I feel wins, since Imperfect Cell's MO was to try and drain his victims and that will fail against Super 13. Perfect Cell vs Broly results in a rather onesided affair with Cell killing Broly due to greater stats in everything but stamina Bojack's Gang against the Cell Family results in the gang losing simply due to the numbers game and skill problems Dabra's best tricks are going to do nothing here, his fire and sword are going to be regenerated from easily and Bio-Broly isn't as dumb as Broly proper, the sludge man should win Majin Vegeta wins for much the same reason Cell did Fat Boo vs Fat Janemba is a win for Janemba, what with him making copies of his enemies. Super Boo vs Super Janemba I feel can go either way, though the longer is lasts, the better it is for Super Boo due to his cunning Kid Boo I don't think will be smart enough to figure out the teleportation trick and Hirudegarn can't do enough damage to kill. Stalemate Beers is an arrogant t*** with no real skill, the instant Goku got mad, Beers was on the losing end of their encounter and utterly failing to stop him at all. Boohan wins with moderate difficulty @Darker Cell alone wouldn't have a prayer. Psycho Threads to string him up plus Bojack beating the snout out of him equals good night. Did you watch the same movie? Bio-Broly could move just fine, Hell, he showed more skill than Broly did by redirecting and dodging attacks instead of just trying to tank them. Not to mention he can regenerate That God Ki really helped Beers when Vegeta made him bleed. Seriously, God Ki isn't a thing that just makes a magical shield against anyone weaker. It's just unsensable, but Kaioshin had the same kind of unsensable ki and yet Boo's attacks hurt him just fine Edited by lazerbem, Mar 2 2015, 08:26 PM.
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| * Bex | Mar 4 2015, 02:31 PM Post #10 |
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As a lot of these match ups are pure speculation I don't think you'll ever really get a true answer to them. Here are some answers that I have come up with. They're probably wrong because I haven't gone into detail about DBZ stuff for like 10 years... 1. Raditz vs. Garlic Jr Raditz is a weak fighter. His power level is about 1,500 (equivalent to a standard Saibaman). Considering Garlic Jr is representing movie villains, his power level was about 2,500 in Dead Zone, so he would beat Raditz. 2. Vegeta, Nappa, and Saibamen vs. Dr. Wheelo and henchmen Wheelo could not withstand Kaioken x4 but Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) could, just about. I think his power level is about 17,000 give or take when he was on Earth so he might be able to beat Wheelo. Wheelo's henchmen have power levels of 7,500 (Ebifurya), 7,000 (Kishimi) and 4,300 (Misokatsun) which would give Nappa and the Saibamen a lot of trouble considering Nappa's PL is only 4,000 and the Saibamen are (as mentioned previously) only about 1,500 each. Unless Vegeta disposed of them first it would really depend on how many Saibamen they had with them as to if Nappa actually survived that encounter. It would be a close one but Vegeta might take it. 3. Vegeta & Henchmen vs. Turles & Henchmen -- (Or Ginyu Force vs. Turles's gang if you choose) Vegeta, Raditz, Nappa and the Saibamen would be hopeleslly outclassed by Turles and his gang. So I'll instead answer with the Ginyu Force. The power levels of Turles and his henchmen would be as follows: Turles: 19,000 although apparently it reaches 300,000 when he eats the fruit from the Tree of Might. Amond: 9,100 Daiz: 8,400 Cacao: 13,000 Rasin and Lakasei: 7,600 The power levels of the Ginyu Force would conversely be as such: Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Jeice, Burter, Recoome: All stated to have a similar power level although it is not clear what this is, it is probably around the 40-50k mark. Guldo: Again it is unclear how strong Guldo is in terms of power level, but it is approximately under 20,000. So essentially, unless Turles ate fruit from the Tree of Might he and his gang would be completely obliterated. Probably just by Guldo on his own. But if he did eat the fruit, the entire Ginyu Force would have to fight him to have any chance of winning. Ginyu's body swapping technique probably gives him the edge over Turles in that instance though, because he could just take his body and have the tree of might power. 4. Frieza vs. Slug This one is a hard one based on the fact that a lot less is known about Slug compared to Frieza. I think King Kai once said that Slug (in his Great Namek form) could have been stronger than Frieza but personally I highly doubt that he was. It doesn't make a lot of sense for that to be the case, especially considering the grounds to which he is defeated in the movie. Frieza's power level has definitely been quoted as being in the millions bracket at various points in his transformations during the Namek saga whereas any mention of Slug's doesn't even come close to that. Furthermore it has been said that Frieza's true power is 'immeasurable'. There is apparently a stage at which his power surpasses Majin Buu's and enables him to combat SSJ God Goku in the upcoming Revival of 'F' movie. So based on his power at that point in time, as well as the supposed potential power he has in the future I would say that Frieza completely stomps Slug. 5. Frieza vs. Cooler -- (Or #20 vs. Cooler if you choose) Frieza vs. Cooler would be a lot closer, especially if Cooler has a similar dormant power to Frieza as highlighted above. If not though he would die horribly but that's all just speculation though. Dr Gero vs Cooler isn't exactly an easy one to call either. Seeing as a Super Saiyan could defeat Frieza (at that time) as well as completely destroy Android 19 (whose power would likely be similar to that of Gero's) and the fact that the Z fighters had Dr Gero on the ropes pretty much before cornering him in his lab, I actually think that Cooler would beat Dr Gero. I think that there is evidence to suggest that Dr Gero's power level would be far higher than Cooler's but considering Frieza could put up a decent fight against a Super Saiyan and Android 19 and Gero were clearly struggling to do so, I think Cooler would have it. Especially if he transformed. 6. #17 and #18 vs. 2 Meta Coolers Again, difficult to say. Personally it seems to me that Meta Coolers are just over-powered villains for the purpose of a movie only as they are apparently capable of fighting super saiyans with ease and also be able to reconstruct themselves and fix whatever it was that was flawed before. Androids 17 and 18 would obviously not tire due to being Androids, but if they weren't capable of completely decimating the Coolers then they would be out-matched. In my opinion though I think they would be able to destroy them fairly easily, so I'd actually give this one to the Androids. They're far cooler any how Geddit? It's a pun.7. Imperfect Cell vs. Super #13 I don't think there is enough to go on that would suggest Super 13 is capable of defeating anything further than a Super Saiyan level fighter. Imperfect Cell I would say could probably do the same. I don't think either of them would be capable of beating a Super Saiyan 2 level warrior, but if you take into account the fact that Super 13 has already absorbed the androids required to become Super 13 and Cell is yet to do that, based on if it was possible for him to do that Cell would definitely have the better chance of winning. As it stands though I think it'd probably be a draw. Not enough evidence for me to suggest otherwise. 8. Perfect Cell vs. Broly Perfect Cell was defeated by SSJ 2 Gohan, Broly was able to beat SSJ 2 Gohan. Broly would win (even though it pains me to say it). 9. Cell & Cell Jrs. vs. Bojack's Gang I think it is suggested that Bojack's power is about level with Cell. In terms of a one on one it'd probably be a draw. I think the same could probably be said about the Cell Jrs and Bojack's henchmen really. They both fought and beat the same opponents pretty much. So I say a draw here. 10. Dabura vs. Bio-Broly Again I think it's quoted somewhere that Dabura is about as strong as Cell. Bio-Broly on the other hand is extremely weak compared to Broly as Krillin is able to put up a good fight against him. Dabura has this. 11. Majin Vegeta vs. Broly Majin Vegeta was probably about level with SSJ2 Goku. As mentioned earlier, Broly beat SSJ 2 Gohan who was the one that defeated Cell, however SSJ2 Goku at this point in time was more than likely a lot stronger than he was when he fought Cell. A lot of people will probably be saying that Broly would win this but I kind of think that Majin Vegeta would win. Even if he didn't he'd still be a winner in my books for just not being Broly... 12. Fat Buu vs. Fat Janemba; Super Buu vs. Super Janemba Majin Buu was pretty much on par with SSJ3 Goku who was completely outclassed by Janemba. Later on it would take Vegito to get the upper hand on Super Buu and Gogeta to get the upper hand on Super Janemba. So depending on whether potara fusion or the fusion dance produces a more powerful result it's not easy to tell who would withstand most punishment. I think in that case it would be a draw. 13. Pure Buu vs. Hirudegarn I don't actually know what you mean by 'Pure' Buu. I guess that means Good Buu as opposed to the Evil Grey one? Both Buu and Hirudegarn trade of evenly with SSJ 3 Goku so I'd say this was another draw. 14. Bonus round (because Bills is technically canon but he is also a movie villain): Buuhan vs. Bills Beerus' power is far beyond Majin Buu's. I don't think absorbing Gohan would make that much difference. Beerus wins. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Mar 4 2015, 03:42 PM Post #11 |
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The topic was equal-powers, but since your post was thorough and well thought out, it is still great in my book! |
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| * Bex | Mar 4 2015, 04:03 PM Post #12 |
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Sorry, I guess I misunderstood the point of the topic then. Though I would say that surely if everybody had equal powers then they'd all be draws in one way or another lol. The matches are pretty close in general anyway to be honest. |
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