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Future ssj Gohan and 5th form cooler vs future 18 and 17
Topic Started: Feb 28 2015, 10:59 PM (1,083 Views)
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Nagito Komaeda
Mar 3 2015, 12:42 PM
Didn't one of the Androids claim that they were using their full power in the Sub of History of Trunks, or is my mind playing tricks on me again?
At the end they claimed they weren't going to toy with him anymore.
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miguelnuva
Mar 3 2015, 08:38 AM
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Cooler was about as strong as SSJ Trunks during his first fight with the Androids and if he and Gohan fought together Gohan should have been able to win.
What do you have to support this? The Goku he fought could not turn super saiyan at will meaning it was somewhere between End of Frieza and Pre Mecha Frieza. And Goku beat him with ease as a super saiyan. Coolers attacks didn't even scrape him.
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Mar 3 2015, 08:23 PM
miguelnuva
Mar 3 2015, 08:38 AM
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Cooler was about as strong as SSJ Trunks during his first fight with the Androids and if he and Gohan fought together Gohan should have been able to win.
What do you have to support this? The Goku he fought could not turn super saiyan at will meaning it was somewhere between End of Frieza and Pre Mecha Frieza. And Goku beat him with ease as a super saiyan. Coolers attacks didn't even scrape him.
Goku got a Zenkai right before he fought Cooler in movie 5 and not turning SSJ had to do with building suspense. I have M5 Zenkai Goku>M5 Goku= Yardrat Goku.
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It really doesn't make sense for Cooler's final form to be that weak. The movie makes his final form seem weaker than Frieza's 4th form. He should be so much stronger but he gets handled worse than Frieza did by SSJ Goku.
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History of Trunks
Time: about 11m
Context: Trunks asks Gohan to train him harder
Gohan: "Trunks, those guys are incredibly strong!"
Note: In the English dub, Gohan says Trunks is now his pupil and doesn't bring up the cyborgs.

History of Trunks
Time: about 12m45s
Context: Bulma says Gohan reminds her of Goku
Gohan: "I made this Gi because I wanted to be strong, like Father was. That's what I thought at the time, but I haven't had much luck."

History of Trunks
Time: about 11m
Context: Trunks asks Gohan to train him harder
Gohan: "Trunks, those guys are incredibly strong!"
Note: In the English dub, Gohan says Trunks is now his pupil and doesn't bring up the cyborgs.

History of Trunks
Time: about 12m45s
Context: Bulma says Gohan reminds her of Goku
Gohan: "I made this Gi because I wanted to be strong, like Father was. That's what I thought at the time, but I haven't had much luck."

History of Trunks
Time: about 18m30s
Context: Gohan and No.17 are fighting
Trunks: "He's winning! Gohan-san is winning!"

History of Trunks
Time: about 18m55s
Context: No.18 just surprise attacked Gohan
No.17: "Don't interfere, No.18!"
No.18: "Don't cry sour grapes. You almost had it there. Let's take care of these guys so we can play!"
Note: In the English dub, No.18 just says Gohan is really fired up.

History of Trunks
Time: about 26m5s
Context: Gohan is about to go fight the androids again
Trunks: "Gohan-san, are you in any shape for this?"
Gohan: "Trunks, you stay here, you hear me?"
Trunks: "No way! If you're going, Gohan-san, then I'm going too! I'm a lot stronger than before!"
Gohan: "Trunks! Don't take the Artificial Humans' power so lightly!"
Trunks: "I won't be a burden any longer! I want to fight alongside you, Gohan-san!"

History of Trunks
Time: 26m45s
Context: Gohan just knocked Trunks out
Gohan: (to himself) "Trunks, you're our last hope. If you were to die, there won't be any warriors left to defend the earth. You're the last warrior, and a few years from now, you'll have the ability to defeat the Artificial Humans."
Note: In the English dub, Gohan doesn't mention any of this.

History of Trunks
Time: about 28m40s
No.18: "We won't let you go this time. We're going to fight you at full power and kill you."
Gohan: "I am not going to die! Not even if this body is destroyed... There will be another who will arise and carry out my last wish... And he will defeat you Artificial Humans!"
Note: In the English dub, No.18 doesn't mention anything about being at full power. She treats the fight like a game with her brother. Also, Gohan doesn't directly say someone stronger than him will come and kill the cyborgs.

History of Trunks
Time: about 35m
Trunks: "Mom, with the strength I have now, I think it's enough to defeat the Artificial Humans. [ ]
Bulma: "You're just having wishful thoughts. Sure, you've become a lot stronger, but I'm sure you haven't forgotten how Gohan-kun was killed three years ago. I don't think there's that much difference between how strong he was then and how strong you are now."
Trunks: "Quite frankly, I know this time I can take them!"
Note: In the English dub, Bulma instead talks about how Trunks will just get himself killed so she'll have to deliver the antidote to Goku in the past herself.

History of Trunks
Time: 38m20s
Context: after the cyborgs survive Trunks' assault
No.17: "He's certainly become several times stronger than last time."
Note: In the English dub, the two mock Trunks' false sense of victory.

History of Trunks
Time: about 44m10s
Trunks: "You were right, I'm not nearly a match for the Artificial Humans."

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Another reason not to take Base Saiyan fights seriously in Toei productions: Trunks' fight against #18. First he survives a big blast from her with no scratches or anything, and then manages to land a hit on her when they're on top of the ferris wheel. On the other hand, Gohan decided to transform pretty quickly against #17. What the f***?

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Trunks got several times stronger throughout the movie and still got mauled by the androids with ease, and this was the Trunks that was stated to be around Gohan's level. Gohan's feats are inconsistent with the androids' statements unless you do believe they were toying with him, which then makes it fit.
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Pyrus all your quotes back up the Androids need to fight Anime Gohan 2 vs 1.

All the statements more or less say 1 ssj can survive 1 android, 2 Androids kill 1 ssj.
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