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| Angelus & Spike vs. Stefan & Damon Salvatore; Buffy vs. Vampire Diaries | |
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| + Pyrus | Feb 26 2015, 01:21 AM Post #1 |
 
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Angelus & Spike VS Stefan & Damon Salvatore  Battlefield: Hyperion Hotel (they all start in the front lobby, opposite ends) Restrictions: - Can't leave the hotel (this takes place at night but still). - No outside interference. - No use of magic, like spells and all that jazz. - Live-action feats and knowledge only; no comics. Note: I've never had the ability to swallow my pride and watch Vampire Diaries so if this is a one-sided battle, my apologies. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Feb 26 2015, 09:16 AM Post #2 |
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ive seen both, but as you know i havent seen buffy in a long a*** time, whereas i am more acquainted with the other series (vampire diaries and its spinoff the originals) angel is a fair bit older than all the vamps,while spike's age is comparable to stefan and damon wouldn't make much of a difference so they would be the stronger team going into the fight, however damon is known to be a fair bit stronger for his age so the chain would be angel>damon>stefan>=spike (i think) BUT angel and spike are actually better fighters, so they have the skill part down but damon and stefan have the teamwork and the fact that they can fight in the sunlight, if push comes to shove they can stall till morning if it comes down to it, and they went to fight without tactics and a straight up fight, would be hard to say who would win stefan and spike are near equals, stefan being a bit stronger but less skilled, and angel being a bit stronger and more skilled then damon, well actually stefan has been known to be pretty strong to when he tries at times overpowering his brother if he goes full on ape s*** crazy, ill say the salvatore brothers win just cause i can't recall too much of buffy right now i mean age is everything in vampire series, and when two of the vamps on one side fight much stronger for there age its tough to say they would lose, i mean in essence they all have crazy speed and reactions and strength ect.... whos the strongest vampire in buffy? he/she should be pitted against nicklaus of vampire diaries/ originals the strongest vampire in there series |
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| + Steve | Feb 26 2015, 11:16 AM Post #3 |
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I can't remember Angel and Spike being all that really. Certainly not when it comes to speed, fairly regular human Buffy could fight vampires but in Vampire Diaries they're all fairly fast. I'm pretty sure Angel and Spike are strong(I barely remember) but I don't remember them being able to speed towards people and break their neck before they know what's happening. Stefan is a pussy but Damon would have no problem killing them. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Feb 26 2015, 11:17 PM Post #4 |
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^ you forget blood lusted/ stefan trying regular stefan is a pussy but if he actually tries a bit hes pretty scary too, remember his adventures with klaus and all the blood he drank, they called him the ripper |
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| lucrowe | Feb 26 2015, 11:21 PM Post #5 |
 
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Im picking Damon & Stefan. They work together much better than Spike and Angel! How old were Spike and Angel? Was age a factor in Buffy??? I've forgotten.. I may change my answer if age is a factor, but at this stage Damon and Stefan FTW |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Feb 26 2015, 11:46 PM Post #6 |
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i posted in my first reply there ages angel is a fair amount older than damon and stefan, about 100 years maybe a bit more and spike is a bit younger then the brothers |
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| + Pyrus | Feb 27 2015, 01:32 AM Post #7 |
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Well, stalling until dawn would be extremely cheap, so I wouldn't allow that kind of tomfoolery. I think you're underrating Spike. He was clearly Angel's rival throughout both shows, and did end up overwhelming Angel in S5 during their one fight (though it's arguable it wasn't a fight to the death, and Angel was suffering from self-doubt). He also showed incredible pain tolerance and durability, especially when he was trying to get his soul back in S6 of Buffy. His skill was noted by Buffy herself in the final season, with her giving him praise and calling him the strongest on their side (including her).
It depends on the time. Angel likely is by the end, with Spike a very close second, but the Turok-Han were monsters before they got retconned for the finale of Buffy.
I'm terribly sorry, but I must fervently disagree with your opinions here. For one, Buffy was not a "fairly regular human"; she was the Slayer, the chosen one, and got exponentially stronger as the show went on (to the point where she could leisurely toy with vampires not named Angel or Spike).
Angel and Spike were extremely fast. There are multiple times in the show(s) where they're there one moment, a character looks away for a split second, and then they're completely vanished the next. Here are a few examples I could collect off YT to display what they're capable of speed-wise: At about 31:32. Ignore the higher pitch to avoid copyright crap. There's another example here: At 1:58. Another stated feat, though not shown: At 22:58. There are others but I can't recall them at the moment. You can probably understand by now that they're not exactly slouches in the speed department.
Angelus was dubbed The Scourge of Europe for being so vile and sadistic, which even The Master and the First Evil recognized. Spike's nickname was William the Bloody due to his violent nature as well as Spike itself due to "torturing his victims with railroad spikes." Perhaps this is true, but Angel and Spike did manage to eventually work together very well in S5E15 to fight off the horde of demons to reach the Deeper Well. At the end of Angel in 2004, Angelus was 251 (give or take a year, and not counting his human years since he was turned at 26); keep in mind, though, that Angelus was sent to a Hell dimension for 100 years, so if we include that then he'd be 351. Spike is an odd case because in S2E3 of Buffy, Giles states he's "barely 200," but with the information we find out in future flashbacks and the times specified, he turns out to only be about 125 years old by the end of Angel (born 1850-1853, turned 1880, series ended 2004). Age of the vampire was a factor in the shows. The older the vampire, the stronger it was. There were some odd cases, like Darla after being turned again in S2 of Angel being stronger than Angel himself despite being a normal human for the couple episodes leading up to the event, but otherwise it's fairly consistent. The Master was The Master because of his age and strength. |
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| + Steve | Feb 27 2015, 01:38 AM Post #8 |
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Meh, I don't think age is much of a factor here. Angel is only like 130 years older than Damon or something. Damon and Stefan have went against originals over 1000 years old, not only that but foes superior to them in all physical ability as said their team work is excellent and their skills are good too. So far as I can tell Buffy vampires aren't nearly as powerful they're like not much more powerful than humans. Angel is stronger than the standard due to his age but I feel there's still a gap. Spike I barely remember anything about but Angel is the superior one anyway. 5:25 That's about the best I'm seeing, there's a definite lack in speed. Actually yeah strength wise Damon and Stefan can rip peoples hearts out, even other vampires. Ah, I've never actually watched Angel just Buffy. I still say Vampire Diaries vamps are faster, Damon is an expert neck snapper: Edited by Steve, Feb 27 2015, 01:41 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Feb 27 2015, 02:28 AM Post #9 |
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I have to disagree again. There are various examples in the shows of vampires being able to perform much more impressive feats than regular humans, at least when it comes to the notable ones and not just the generic ones that are around to be killed off by a main character in one episode. Around 32:10, Wesley and Gunn are bashing the wall with all they've got using heavy metal objects, but are barely making dents. Angel comes in and gets right through in a single kick, and only takes a few more hits after that in order to make the hole big enough to accommodate a person. I don't quite understand how Angel and Spike's fight in "Destiny" is supposed to showcase incredible speed feats. It's two supernatural beings going at it, which isn't the same as if one of them was fighting a regular human. It's not like DBZ where they're going to create shockwaves when they punch each other. To add something to durability: At 29:07, Angel jumps out of a building and falls dozens of floors to face-plant on concrete, and still gets up seconds later with no injuries. He's survived 100 years in a Hell dimension (whatever that entails), a stake impaled through his neck and tossed off a building, being chained up in a weighted box and left in the ocean for months with no source of food or light, and various torture sessions. The guy can take a beating and a half, and Spike is right up there with him. Starting at 31:17, Angel is able to get the best the Beast with his skill, despite facing a much taller and physically imposing being, even though he did inevitably get overpowered at the end. The same Beast beat the hell out of Faith, who wasn't at 100% of her game yet but was still in the same league with Buffy, which was more than enough to beat the hell out of anyone except the vamps in the main cast. The Beast was able to crumple up a steel axe (I'm assuming that's what it was made of, correct me if I'm wrong) effortlessly and was essentially bulletproof, even to shotguns, for what it's worth. Snapping someone's neck is impressive, especially with complete ease, but Angel and Spike are capable of doing the same thing. Angelus snapped Jenny's neck the first time we saw him in Buffy.  I can dig up more feats if necessary since you said you hadn't seen Angel. |
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| + Steve | Feb 27 2015, 04:03 AM Post #10 |
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Hmm, I'd say Angel has greater survivability/durability anyway VD vamps are more...fleshy? I guess like they're not fantastically more durable than a human but can come back from neck snapping and having spikes impaled through their bodies. I'd say they have superior strength though. 0:31 is another good speed feat for Damon: He also catches a crossbow bolt easily and uses one of the originals as a human shield from an unexpected one(before the catch) so his reflexes are up to scratch too. About all I can find for strength is casually ripping hearts out, snapping necks and ripping car doors off. Sadly people on YouTube are more concerned about which character has sex with which over the action scenes... How would Angel handle their speed? I'd say they're less acrobatic but have far greater burst speed for insta-kill sort of attacks, if he can't block them going for his heart he could be in trouble same with Spike. |
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