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Yamcha (Android Saga) vs Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)
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Topic Started: Feb 22 2015, 12:08 AM (5,797 Views)
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Feb 22 2015, 01:44 AM
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Viz Vol.12, pg.178 Yamcha: "I told you it was some kind of trick. He said around 10. It's only 10:17. Which I would group under 'around'. But I can't feel a single strong chi. If they're that powerful, we should be able to feel them no matter where on Earth they are!"
Viz Vol.13, pg. Yamcha: "Do they really exist?!"
That's Viz. We've established in the past that Viz isn't useful for exact wording. Why would they change something like that?
I don't know. This is one of those things were if they did change it, then it'd be just weird.
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Feb 22 2015, 01:48 AM
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But both Yamcha (obviously) and Goku were in base. Irrelevant.
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Viz Vol.12, pg.178 Yamcha: "I told you it was some kind of trick. He said around 10. It's only 10:17. Which I would group under 'around'. But I can't feel a single strong chi. If they're that powerful, we should be able to feel them no matter where on Earth they are!"
Viz Vol.13, pg. Yamcha: "Do they really exist?!"
That's Viz. We've established in the past that Viz isn't useful for exact wording. If it doesn't befit you, find alternate methods.
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Feb 22 2015, 01:48 AM
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Viz Vol.12, pg.178 Yamcha: "I told you it was some kind of trick. He said around 10. It's only 10:17. Which I would group under 'around'. But I can't feel a single strong chi. If they're that powerful, we should be able to feel them no matter where on Earth they are!"
Viz Vol.13, pg. Yamcha: "Do they really exist?!"
That's Viz. We've established in the past that Viz isn't useful for exact wording.
Why would they change something like that? I don't know. This is one of those things were if they did change it, then it'd be just weird. Because it's a tiny change. To most fans, and heck even to us in 99.9% of situations whether Yamcha thought the androids were always a joke, or whether he only assumed it when they didn't arrive makes no real difference. This is one of the few times it does. Viz changes the wording of a lot of things, they're very minor in most cases, but when you get to specifics like we do, they matter.
Japanese subs are generally more accurate than Viz, and this is what he says in subs:
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Feb 22 2015, 01:50 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah...
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Feb 22 2015, 01:54 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah... Have you even given your opinion on this fight?
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Feb 22 2015, 01:55 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah...
Have you even given your opinion on this fight? What do you mean?
No, I just asked.
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Feb 22 2015, 01:57 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah...
Have you even given your opinion on this fight?
What do you mean? No, I just asked. Now I'm asking you who you think would win between this fight you proposed. Just because you created it doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on it.
So, Yamcha or Vegeta?
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Feb 22 2015, 01:58 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah...
Have you even given your opinion on this fight?
What do you mean? No, I just asked.
Now I'm asking you who you think would win between this fight you proposed. Just because you created it doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on it. So, Yamcha or Vegeta? I don't know that's why I asked.
But I can still challenge some thoughts if they have a few errors in them, right?!
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Feb 22 2015, 02:02 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah...
Have you even given your opinion on this fight?
What do you mean? No, I just asked.
Now I'm asking you who you think would win between this fight you proposed. Just because you created it doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on it. So, Yamcha or Vegeta?
I don't know that's why I asked. But I can still challenge some thoughts if they have a few errors in them, right?! The first two replies suggest Yamcha would stomp with no explanation; they simply state he's superior, nothing more, nothing less. You reply to them that there's nothing to suggest Yamcha is stronger, as if you're putting bias in favor of Vegeta.
What error did they make?
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Feb 22 2015, 02:03 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah...
Have you even given your opinion on this fight?
What do you mean? No, I just asked.
Now I'm asking you who you think would win between this fight you proposed. Just because you created it doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on it. So, Yamcha or Vegeta?
I don't know that's why I asked. But I can still challenge some thoughts if they have a few errors in them, right?!
The first two replies suggest Yamcha would stomp with no explanation; they simply state he's superior, nothing more, nothing less. You reply to them that there's nothing to suggest Yamcha is stronger, as if you're putting bias in favor of Vegeta. What error did they make? No I mean that Yamcha winning this isn't that clear as some might think and asking them what they think of it.
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Feb 22 2015, 02:29 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah... If he anticipated a possible increase of that nature, he would surely have taken it into consideration, yes?
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Feb 22 2015, 02:31 AM
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How is it irrelevant?
That's like saying just because Goku can go Oozaru and become 10x stronger he expects him to be that strong just in base when he sees him for the first time.
Also other than Vegeta returning and maybe wreaking havoc again they didn't expect any more battles, anymore.
And in between DragonBall and DragonBall Z yeah...
If he anticipated a possible increase of that nature, he would surely have taken it into consideration, yes? For himself, yeah.
But if he sees Goku without having done anything that looks like a transformation or power-up, he wouldn't think he is in his Oozaru (or Kaio-Ken) state of power.
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Feb 22 2015, 02:34 AM
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That is the irrelevant part. He wouldn't need to in order to have prepared for it.
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Feb 22 2015, 02:36 AM
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Can't really be bothered reading everything as the answer is a guarenteed. Yamcha trained with King Kai a lot longer than Goku did so it's fair to say he recieved at least the same results if not more. Now despite Yamcha being cocky, he isn't stupid. He felt the saiyans power first hand and still felt he could do any sort of damage to Frieza who was portrayed to be on a whole other galaxy of power. This does not insinuate Yamcha was anything close to frieza however he would have had to have made some steady progress to feel he could take on a being stronger than Vegeta.
Then Yamcha (as we know) trains for 3 years for the battle against the androids despite being unsure of how true it may or may not have been.
Taking into account all this, and believing Yamcha was still weaker is simple ignorance.
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Feb 22 2015, 02:36 AM
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That is the irrelevant part. He wouldn't need to in order to have prepared for it. I don't get it.
He was obviously prepared because he made himself so strong but he didn't expect Goku to become much stronger and he didn't even know that Goku would know of their existence so why would Goku already be powered up?
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