Mufasa vs. Scar, Zira, and Kovu

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Mufasa vs. Scar, Zira, and Kovu
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Feb 14 2015, 07:05 PM Post #1
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	How does this fight go?



lazerbem	Feb 14 2015, 08:49 PM Post #2
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Mufasa is boned. Scar likes to talk about coming up short on the gene pool, but he was fully capable of holding his own against Simba, despite the age difference. Zira is considered a huge threat by Simbra so I guess that she's just a specimen of an enormous lioness or something. Kovu is admittedly pretty much crap, he got taken out by a single accidental kick. Mufasa could beat all of them 1 v 1, but in a team match, he has no chance what so ever. Scar and Zira are tough enough to win this on their own, I think, Kovu just assures the victory
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+ miguelnuva	Feb 16 2015, 11:29 AM Post #3
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	lazerbem Feb 14 2015, 08:49 PM Mufasa is boned. Scar likes to talk about coming up short on the gene pool, but he was fully capable of holding his own against Simba, despite the age difference. Zira is considered a huge threat by Simbra so I guess that she's just a specimen of an enormous lioness or something. Kovu is admittedly pretty much crap, he got taken out by a single accidental kick. Mufasa could beat all of them 1 v 1, but in a team match, he has no chance what so ever. Scar and Zira are tough enough to win this on their own, I think, Kovu just assures the victory Mufasa is a Super Lion compared to Simba. Simba had lifed with Timon and Pumba and lived off bugs and he was able to match Scar and Zira later, that's a bad showing for Scar and Zira. One Smack from Mufasa would most likely send all three flying.
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lazerbem	Feb 16 2015, 12:58 PM Post #4
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	miguelnuva Feb 16 2015, 11:29 AM lazerbem Feb 14 2015, 08:49 PM Mufasa is boned. Scar likes to talk about coming up short on the gene pool, but he was fully capable of holding his own against Simba, despite the age difference. Zira is considered a huge threat by Simbra so I guess that she's just a specimen of an enormous lioness or something. Kovu is admittedly pretty much crap, he got taken out by a single accidental kick. Mufasa could beat all of them 1 v 1, but in a team match, he has no chance what so ever. Scar and Zira are tough enough to win this on their own, I think, Kovu just assures the victory Mufasa is a Super Lion compared to Simba. Simba had lifed with Timon and Pumba and lived off bugs and he was able to match Scar and Zira later, that's a bad showing for Scar and Zira. One Smack from Mufasa would most likely send all three flying. I didn't see anything indicating him being better, Simbra was tossing around hyenas just as easily. If anything, Mufasa got bitten more than Simba. Logically, Mufasa would be tougher, but as per what we see, I guess Simba scavenged or something?
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+ Clearin	Feb 16 2015, 01:42 PM Post #5
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	It's worth noting that when Simba came back and Scar thought it was Mufasa, he was legitimately terrified, upon finding out it was Simba he instead just got annoyed that he was still alive. The fact he's so scared of Mufasa proves that what he said at the beginning, about being on "the shallow end of the gene pool" in terms of strength wasn't a lie. Edit: Nevermind. I realised that Mufasa knows that Scar tried to kill him, while Simba has no idea Scar sent the Hyenas after him. Edited by Clearin, Feb 16 2015, 01:46 PM.



lazerbem	Feb 16 2015, 02:17 PM Post #6
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Clearin Feb 16 2015, 01:42 PM It's worth noting that when Simba came back and Scar thought it was Mufasa, he was legitimately terrified, upon finding out it was Simba he instead just got annoyed that he was still alive. The fact he's so scared of Mufasa proves that what he said at the beginning, about being on "the shallow end of the gene pool" in terms of strength wasn't a lie. Edit: Nevermind. I realised that Mufasa knows that Scar tried to kill him, while Simba has no idea Scar sent the Hyenas after him. Or he could just be afraid of someone coming back from the dead as a ghost? It's not like Scar had any sanity left at that point, he didn't even want to hear his name. Basically, he saw Mufasa as a corpse and Simba run away. A corpse coming back from the dead that Scar felt was haunting him is far more terrifying than someone who I doubt Scar had anywhere near the forefront of his thoughts. On the same note, Scar was also rather scared of Simba as well, yet he put up quite the brawl despite being far older than him I'm not saying Scar is Mufasa's equal, but he's not as weak as he suggests and with the help of the others, he can surely win.
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+ Emmeth	Feb 16 2015, 03:08 PM Post #7
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Instead of giving a straight answer to the question, I'd like to rank the lions from beginning to end: Rank 1: Mufasa - Nothing can beat a prime Mufasa. He can beat off hyenas and lions alike, being respected among all as a great lion (Even Scar) Rank 2: Simba (Lion King 2) - This Simba is close to his father in terms of strength and wisdom. He has fulfilled his destiny as successor to Mufasa and unless swarmed by hyeans or lions, he can fend of almost anyone. Rank 3: Kovu - A very powerful lion, but still a bit behind Mufasa and Prime Simba. He was considered a capable future leader by Simba who took him under his wing. If Simba thinks Kovu is a future leader of the Pride Lands, he's probably very powerful. Rank 4: Scar - Scar was very powerful, but cowardice. He's cunning, but doesn't have the same wisdom Mufasa and Simba has. He proclaims he's smarter than Mufasa, but not sure this is true even though he managed to kill his older brother. Rank 5: Simba (Lion King 1 - End) - The young Simba has learned some stuff from his father and he uses this to his advantage against Scar. However, he's very rusty when it comes to fighting other lions. He's been living a quiet life where fighting other animals hasn't been a privilege. He has some anger though that can spark his strength and overthrow even powerful foes like Scar. He's close to Scar in strength anyway. Rank 6: Nala - Nala is a hunter and strong enough to be almost on par with Simba in strength. She doesn't have Simba's smartness, but she's got heart. Rank 7: Zira - Overrated. She's strong, but not that strong. She's got more of the cunning mind of Scar than anything else. I don't think she would last long in a fight with Simba, much less Mufasa. There you have it. Take from it what you want
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SuperSaiyan1993	Feb 16 2015, 03:56 PM Post #8
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Although Emmeth's post basically covered everything (it was good!), I still want to contribute my own two cents because I love the Lion King. Even in the Lion King II, Simba is still not as powerful as Mufasa. In the movie, Kiara makes this clear. Kiara: "You will never be Mufasa!" [Mufasa > Simba TLK II] Scar himself admits inferiorty to Mufasa: Scar: "I wouldn't dream of fighting you. But when it comes to brute strength, I'm afraid I'm at the shallow end of the gene pool" [Mufasa > Scar] Adult Simba's fight with Scar confirms this. Although Adult Simba looks like Mufasa in the Lion King, he is different. Whereas Mufasa had reigned for a long time as a legendary and feared king, Simba was literally doing nothing in the Hakuna Mattata oasis. With this in mind, the fact that Simba fought relatively even with Scar speaks highly against Scar's fighting capabilities. [Adult Simba ~ Scar] Zira holds Scar in high esteem, and she believes that Kovu will gain the same cunning and strength he had. [Scar > Zira. Kovu >= Scar] Put all of this together and we roughly have this: Mufasa > Adult Simba TLK II > Kovu > Scar ~ Adult SImba TLK > Zira
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lazerbem	Feb 16 2015, 04:22 PM Post #9
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Quote: Rank 3: Kovu - A very powerful lion, but still a bit behind Mufasa and Prime Simba. He was considered a capable future leader by Simba who took him under his wing. If Simba thinks Kovu is a future leader of the Pride Lands, he's probably very powerful. Vitani took him out of a fight with a single kick. He's nothing special Quote: Rank 6: Nala - Nala is a hunter and strong enough to be almost on par with Simba in strength. She doesn't have Simba's smartness, but she's got heart. She beat Simba in TLK 1 Quote: Rank 7: Zira - Overrated. She's strong, but not that strong. She's got more of the cunning mind of Scar than anything else. I don't think she would last long in a fight with Simba, much less Mufasa. She was bats*** insane and delusional, but she wanted to 1v1 Simba and Simba thinks her a serious opponent. Make of that what you will Quote: Even in the Lion King II, Simba is still not as powerful as Mufasa. In the movie, Kiara makes this clear. Kiara: "You will never be Mufasa!" [Mufasa > Simba TLK II] Come on, that's not what that means. She said this in reference to Sima exiling Kovu, it was entirely a case of Simba trying to act like a king and her being mad at his mistake. Adult Simba's fight with Scar confirms this. Quote: Although Adult Simba looks like Mufasa in the Lion King, he is different. Whereas Mufasa had reigned for a long time as a legendary and feared king, Simba was literally doing nothing in the Hakuna Mattata oasis. With this in mind, the fact that Simba fought relatively even with Scar speaks highly against Scar's fighting capabilities. [Adult Simba ~ Scar] To be fair, Simba was capable of batting away hyenas as easily as Mufasa. Granted, he wasn't doing quite as well(he would have died had Rafiki not batted one off), but it's not like Mufasa never got bitten(you can see one of them take a bite out of his back) Quote: Zira holds Scar in high esteem, and she believes that Kovu will gain the same cunning and strength he had. [Scar > Zira. Kovu >= Scar] She was completely delusional and psychotic, to the point where she blames Simba for everything but shows not a hint of emnity for the hyenas. She basically wanted to make a new Scar. Nothing really supports Kovu being special, Kovu got one-shotted by a not so serious hit from Vitani.
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+ Emmeth	Feb 16 2015, 04:40 PM Post #10
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	lazerbem Feb 16 2015, 04:22 PM Quote: Rank 3: Kovu - A very powerful lion, but still a bit behind Mufasa and Prime Simba. He was considered a capable future leader by Simba who took him under his wing. If Simba thinks Kovu is a future leader of the Pride Lands, he's probably very powerful. Vitani took him out of a fight with a single kick. He's nothing special Quote: Rank 6: Nala - Nala is a hunter and strong enough to be almost on par with Simba in strength. She doesn't have Simba's smartness, but she's got heart. She beat Simba in TLK 1 Quote: Rank 7: Zira - Overrated. She's strong, but not that strong. She's got more of the cunning mind of Scar than anything else. I don't think she would last long in a fight with Simba, much less Mufasa. She was bats* insane and delusional, but she wanted to 1v1 Simba and Simba thinks her a serious opponent. Make of that what you will Kovu was young, but he was destined to become stronger. Sure, I agree Kovu isn't stronger than Scar in TLK2, but he has the potential to be. Nala: But Simba was still wiser than her. That has to count for something. They are about equal imo. Zira** didn't do much though. She didn't fight Simba 1-on-1, she took other drastic means which I feel proves she's not strong.
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lazerbem	Feb 16 2015, 04:45 PM Post #11
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Emmeth Feb 16 2015, 04:40 PM lazerbem Feb 16 2015, 04:22 PM Quote: Rank 3: Kovu - A very powerful lion, but still a bit behind Mufasa and Prime Simba. He was considered a capable future leader by Simba who took him under his wing. If Simba thinks Kovu is a future leader of the Pride Lands, he's probably very powerful. Vitani took him out of a fight with a single kick. He's nothing special Quote: Rank 6: Nala - Nala is a hunter and strong enough to be almost on par with Simba in strength. She doesn't have Simba's smartness, but she's got heart. She beat Simba in TLK 1 Quote: Rank 7: Zira - Overrated. She's strong, but not that strong. She's got more of the cunning mind of Scar than anything else. I don't think she would last long in a fight with Simba, much less Mufasa. She was bats* insane and delusional, but she wanted to 1v1 Simba and Simba thinks her a serious opponent. Make of that what you will Kovu was young, but he was destined to become stronger. Sure, I agree Kovu isn't stronger than Scar in TLK2, but he has the potential to be. Nala: But Simba was still wiser than her. That has to count for something. They are about equal imo. Zira** didn't do much though. She didn't fight Simba 1-on-1, she took other drastic means which I feel proves she's not strong. He was going to be greater than Scar, that doesn't necessarily mean strength. He could be a better ruler by virtue of not acting like a petulant child. Simba was wiser than her in TLK 1? I am somewhat doubtful of that. Afterall, Simba used her trick to redirect Scar's momentum. If we're counting intelligence, Scar is one of the better ones for actually fighting dirty by using coals to cheap shot Simba before going into the fight and almost winning. Zira did have a tendency to hang back and command from far off, but she was going to 1v1 him had Kovu and Kiara not interfered. I suppose you could say she's just too crazy to be cautious, which works for and against her.
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+ Emmeth	Feb 16 2015, 04:50 PM Post #12
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	lazerbem Feb 16 2015, 04:45 PM Simba was wiser than her in TLK 1? I am somewhat doubtful of that. Afterall, Simba used her trick to redirect Scar's momentum. If we're counting intelligence, Scar is one of the better ones for actually fighting dirty by using coals to cheap shot Simba before going into the fight and almost winning. Rafiki had an influence on Simba. Made him wiser in the moment and they actually got into Pride Rock using smart tactics, courtesy of Simba.
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lazerbem	Feb 16 2015, 04:54 PM Post #13
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Emmeth Feb 16 2015, 04:50 PM lazerbem Feb 16 2015, 04:45 PM Simba was wiser than her in TLK 1? I am somewhat doubtful of that. Afterall, Simba used her trick to redirect Scar's momentum. If we're counting intelligence, Scar is one of the better ones for actually fighting dirty by using coals to cheap shot Simba before going into the fight and almost winning. Rafiki had an influence on Simba. Made him wiser in the moment and they actually got into Pride Rock using smart tactics, courtesy of Simba. Hmm, fair enough. I did not think of that. Rafiki is the Guru of Lion King
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+ Emmeth	Feb 16 2015, 04:55 PM Post #14
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	lazerbem Feb 16 2015, 04:54 PM Rafiki is the Guru of Lion King Nobody wiser.
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+ Clearin	Feb 16 2015, 05:17 PM Post #15
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Zira was going to fight Simba during their first on-screen encounter, until the other Lionesses showed up. How strong is Rafiki anyway? He beat an entire group of Hyena's that Simba was having trouble with, without even being touched.



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