Azog vs Lurtz

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Azog vs Lurtz
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+ Pointer	Feb 12 2015, 12:53 PM Post #1
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	who takes this



lazerbem	Feb 12 2015, 08:20 PM Post #2
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	I'm assuming you mean Movie Azog? I am tempted to go with Azog, just because Thorin considers an army of 100 goblins to be a minor inconvenience and yet Azog is capable of matching him. Lurtz didn't do anything as impressive. That being said, if Lurtz is allowed to use his bow, he should win unless his aim is god awful
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+ Pointer	Feb 13 2015, 09:47 AM Post #3
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	but arent uruk hai are better than orcs? and we have lurtz as a supreme uruk hai



lazerbem	Feb 13 2015, 01:50 PM Post #4
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Porcukor Feb 13 2015, 09:47 AM but arent uruk hai are better than orcs? and we have lurtz as a supreme uruk hai Azog isn't a regular orc and Lurtz doesn't have anywhere near as much battle experience
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+ Pointer	Feb 16 2015, 06:33 PM Post #5
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	He is a prime uruk hai and as it was shown an unexperienced hord of uruk hai was way more dangerous than any experienced band of orcs I guess noted by Gimli himself



lazerbem	Feb 16 2015, 06:54 PM Post #6
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Porcukor Feb 16 2015, 06:33 PM He is a prime uruk hai and as it was shown an unexperienced hord of uruk hai was way more dangerous than any experienced band of orcs I guess noted by Gimli himself What did he do to make him such a prime Uruk-Hai? He had been around for a week, tops. How on Earth could he have any battle experience. Also, if you want to talk about distinctions, Azog is a Gundabad Orc and Gandalf makes enormous note of this
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+ Pointer	Feb 16 2015, 07:08 PM Post #7
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	lazerbem Feb 16 2015, 06:54 PM Porcukor Feb 16 2015, 06:33 PM He is a prime uruk hai and as it was shown an unexperienced hord of uruk hai was way more dangerous than any experienced band of orcs I guess noted by Gimli himself What did he do to make him such a prime Uruk-Hai? He had been around for a week, tops. How on Earth could he have any battle experience. Also, if you want to talk about distinctions, Azog is a Gundabad Orc and Gandalf makes enormous note of this He was the leader od the uruk hordes and saruman make him the first warrior under his command. That heavily implies that Lurtz >every other uruk lieutenant>single uruk hai>regular orcs But as you said Azog was not a regular orc, but that is why I created the thread anyway



lazerbem	Feb 16 2015, 08:03 PM Post #8
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Porcukor Feb 16 2015, 07:08 PM lazerbem Feb 16 2015, 06:54 PM Porcukor Feb 16 2015, 06:33 PM He is a prime uruk hai and as it was shown an unexperienced hord of uruk hai was way more dangerous than any experienced band of orcs I guess noted by Gimli himself What did he do to make him such a prime Uruk-Hai? He had been around for a week, tops. How on Earth could he have any battle experience. Also, if you want to talk about distinctions, Azog is a Gundabad Orc and Gandalf makes enormous note of this He was the leader od the uruk hordes and saruman make him the first warrior under his command. That heavily implies that Lurtz >every other uruk lieutenant>single uruk hai>regular orcs But as you said Azog was not a regular orc, but that is why I created the thread anyway Lurtz was the leader of a rather small squad, that's hardly important. Seriously, even Ugluk had more orcs under his command
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+ Pointer	Feb 23 2015, 07:15 PM Post #9
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	No aboolutely not Lurtz was the prime leader Ugluk was his lieutenant.



lazerbem	Feb 23 2015, 08:04 PM Post #10
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Porcukor Feb 23 2015, 07:15 PM No aboolutely not Lurtz was the prime leader Ugluk was his lieutenant. When actually was this stated or shown? Did Lurtz ever command anyone? Hell, what did he do other than get a talk from Saruman and cheap shot Boromir?
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+ Pointer	Feb 23 2015, 08:08 PM Post #11
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	lazerbem Feb 23 2015, 08:04 PM Porcukor Feb 23 2015, 07:15 PM No aboolutely not Lurtz was the prime leader Ugluk was his lieutenant. When actually was this stated or shown? Did Lurtz ever command anyone? Hell, what did he do other than get a talk from Saruman and cheap shot Boromir? He was with Saruman, the whole movie implied that Lurtz is the prime uruk of that band which was sent to gather the hobbits



lazerbem	Feb 23 2015, 08:58 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Porcukor Feb 23 2015, 08:08 PM lazerbem Feb 23 2015, 08:04 PM Porcukor Feb 23 2015, 07:15 PM No aboolutely not Lurtz was the prime leader Ugluk was his lieutenant. When actually was this stated or shown? Did Lurtz ever command anyone? Hell, what did he do other than get a talk from Saruman and cheap shot Boromir? He was with Saruman, the whole movie implied that Lurtz is the prime uruk of that band which was sent to gather the hobbits The movie didn't even give out his name, Hell, he looks so similar to the other Uruks that it took me two views to notice that's the same guy. Also, having a talk with Saruman doesn't necessarily mean anything. Maybe he does that with every Uruk that's spawned, give them a pep talk. It's not like said that Lurtz was the leader, just that he's a "fighting Uruk-Hai"
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Darker	Feb 23 2015, 09:50 PM Post #13
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Question: Which versions of the characters are we using here? Movie Azog is pretty powerful physically since he can match Gandalf (which should be impossible, but whatever).
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lazerbem	Feb 23 2015, 09:56 PM Post #14
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Darker Feb 23 2015, 09:50 PM Question: Which versions of the characters are we using here? Movie Azog is pretty powerful physically since he can match Gandalf (which should be impossible, but whatever). I'm assuming Movie Azog since Lurtz wasn't even in the books. Book Azog is also pretty powerful since it was said that he was smacking dwarves around like nothing and was killed from behind when he tried to run from an army. I need to find the exact passage, but Azog was cocky after killing Nain, looked up, saw an army running for him and no army backing him up, tried to run, and got his head chopped off by Thrain. Also, Azog fought an actual war against the dwarves for several years, so yeah. Either Azog could probably win, he was in the top percentage of Orcs whilst Lurtz was a noob Uruk-Hai who barely did anything
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+ Pointer	Mar 8 2015, 01:07 PM Post #15
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Yes Azog showed more impressive feats than Lurtz. His character was well written, whilst Lurtz was merely a filler character with no feats to shown.



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