Blade vs Captain America (Movies Versions)

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Blade vs Captain America (Movies Versions)
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 12 2015, 10:35 AM (1,833 Views)
DSTREET45	Feb 12 2015, 10:35 AM Post #1
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	VS Restrictions: Biting, Guns, pretty much all of Blade's standard gear other than his clothes and sword. Who wins? Edited by DSTREET45, Feb 13 2015, 03:10 AM.

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+ Havoc_Wreaker	Feb 13 2015, 10:18 AM Post #31
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	DSTREET45 Feb 13 2015, 09:19 AM Yondaime Feb 13 2015, 03:22 AM i dont see how blades durability is as good as caps, in the video he fell off like a floor of the building and it cracked because it was likely tiles, but there was some extra damage so not a bad feat I used it was mostly due to the damage done. When did Cap take a hit that caused surrounding damage that large enough to leave a crater in the floor (Drake is kneeling on the bottom right pic, not standing, still impressive though)? The rubble is about knee high. Spoiler: click to toggle You'd need some serious amount of force to do that amount of damage. Quote: on the other hand cap jumped out of a building after being tased multiple times and cracked some of the concrete cap fell from a much high distance and his lower half of his body took all the force while his upper half was reduced cause he landed on the shield, cap also took a grenade launcher that hit his shield and went flying off the highway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Avymog_CEQ Most of the total force went to the shield. If Cap's lower body was durable to withstand that force completely, the shield wouldn't been necessary. Even if it's legit it only pertains to his lower body. His upper body is still fair game. In Blade 3, Blade jumped off a 3-5 story window in the police precinct and landed on his feet with no problems. Blade also gets scaled from weaker vampires, like Quinn, who jumped off a hospital window several stories high and crashed into (not onto) an ambulance. He was perfectly fine despite being weakened by taking a beating from Blade, being burned alive, and having his hand cut off prior to that feat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbZxfF2rG4c#t=33 Blade also jumped from a building to a lower building (2-3 floors difference in height) across the street without problems: Spoiler: click to toggle Quote: also cap has took multiple hits from winter soldier who has superhuman strength, not even caps shield could even destroy or dent the arm, when he was slicing EVERYTHING with it in avengers and cap 1 and 2 That just means that the arm was hard enough to take the hit. It doesn't have superior striking feats to any big bad Blade had faced in his movies or even Blade himself. And Blade was taking hits from actual superhumans just like Cap. Guys were downright launching each other through metal doors,busting up floors etc. Quote: Also, someone mentioned Cap being tazed. In both Blade and Blade II, he was taken down by an equal number of men using stun guns while Cap was able to shrug it off. Thats not a deal breaker but it is worth noting. Let's compare the effects of the tasers: Spoiler: click to toggle WS: One goon gets tased once, he's still able to get up (Cap had to knock him out) B2: Three goons get tased once and are down for the count. Hell the last one had sparks flying out of his helmet. I think the tasers in Blade 2 had more power. Feel free to prove me wrong though. his legs can take the impact but his upper body can't? i rather believe that both could, obviously hes gonna land on the shield its safer if he can reduce the damage why not like i said force was great but it was tiles and other things, not hard concrete like cap fell onto and from a much greater distance, but i guess that durablity wise they are pretty near but i still think cap can take more as for strength, after being shot a multiple times, exerting himself in a fight with winter soldier and being cut up too lifted a support beam off his opponent dont think anything blade has done is close to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_jVXcRvhTs also the fact that winter solider can fight cap toe to toe, and even out muscle him a few times in the movie says enough about his strength look at the beating cap took near the end of the film, cap is a beast if you still doubt caps jumping and what not here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uio88nD-bNA does stuff like this throughout the movies Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Feb 13 2015, 10:26 AM.



+ Steve	Feb 13 2015, 03:30 PM Post #32
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	The shield does negate almost all force that#s what it's for it absorbs all kinetic energy thrown at it which includes falling, not useable as a durability feat at all. No way would that fall have the same kind of impact Thor's hammer did that was like a freaking bomb exploded. Not to mention the glass would have slowed him down a bit anyway but there is no way he took much damage from that, if any. Why are we talking about tasers? Electrical resistance is...useless here, neither of them have tasers and in no way could that possibly relate to their durability when it comes to being punched or whatever. Plus Blade is filled with weaponry to take vampires down so you can bet those were incredibly beefy tasers used. Also Cap has a super suit it's made with Kevlar and Nomex so who knows how much electrical resistance it provides. Nomex for one is fire resistant. Also it's Kevlar so that's going to absorb a lot of bullet damage. What are you talking about with tiles? Doesn't really make a difference he got smashed like half a meter in to the ground, there is no way you can downplay that... Or how he has his head smashed off stone pillars and is completely fine, he's taken a lot more crazy blunt force trauma than Cap ever has and has just laughed it off. Cap is peak human. Blade is a supernatural monster. The only thing Cap has over him really is stamina but this fight wouldn't last long enough for Cap's near infinite stamina to come in to play anyway and it's not like Blade is an obese chronic smoker on his death bed he has crazy stamina too.
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+ Havoc_Wreaker	Feb 13 2015, 06:25 PM Post #33
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	lmao, he took several peak human punches from wintersolider, much more force from that then going through part of a pilar not even close, by far, and yeah shield absorbs/repels a lot of force, but if the shield isnt covering your lower body its not absorbing s*** all, hows a bullet proof vest going to protect your damn legs lol



+ Steve	Feb 13 2015, 07:05 PM Post #34
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yondaime Feb 13 2015, 06:25 PM lmao, he took several peak human punches from wintersolider, much more force from that then going through part of a pilar not even close, by far, and yeah shield absorbs/repels a lot of force, but if the shield isnt covering your lower body its not absorbing s*** all, hows a bullet proof vest going to protect your damn legs lol Prove it... Blade was also swung in to the pillar so there'd be added centrifugal force to that. Winter Soldiers arm ain't that tough it's not like he was throwing cars about or anything. No the whole point is that it basically repels all force in the comics like the only thing it doesn't is magic. It even takes hits from the Hulk. Why would his legs be affected by that fall but not by Thor's strike? That had crazy AOE there's no way it couldn't have went round and hit Cap it was like a nuke went off. But it didn't because all the energy was blasted outwards completely missing Cap's body because his shield is that ridiculous.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


+ Havoc_Wreaker	Feb 13 2015, 08:34 PM Post #35
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	your doubting that winter soldier's strength? wow ...okay like i already mentioned, he out muscled cap a few times in the movie was able to harm him a lot, which no one has been able to without outside weapons and stuff caught caps shield without moving an inch while when he returned it with greater force that it move cap i believe as for the durability, cause cap landed his legs straight onto the concrete no shield was involved there, the shield was on his upper body, while with thor, all of steve rodgers was under the shield, thus taking most of the force from the attack, pretty simple m8



DSTREET45	Feb 13 2015, 09:34 PM Post #36
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	Yondaime Feb 13 2015, 10:18 AM his legs can take the impact but his upper body can't? i rather believe that both could, obviously hes gonna land on the shield its safer if he can reduce the damage why not I'd rather assume the opposite. He feels like the shield is necessary to avoid injury or death. That was the movie's intention, to show that Cap can't survive that fall without his shield and skill. If his legs were fine and it's durability also pertains to the rest of his body then why was the shield needed? And wasn't he at least dazed when being launched off the overpass? And Bucky arm left bruises on him? Spoiler: click to toggle Again don't see why Cap should be capable of taking a fall like that if less is need to hurt him. Quote: as for strength, after being shot a multiple times, exerting himself in a fight with winter soldier and being cut up too lifted a support beam off his opponent dont think anything blade has done is close to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_jVXcRvhTs Yeah that's very impressive, Blade never really lifted anything throughout the movie but he did throw that doctor onto a building across the street in the first movie if that counts for anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F8CDU6rhNo#t=281 He also was able to catch and hold on to a speeding train while weakened and only dislocated his shoulder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWfwXumWnnU#t=274 Quote: also the fact that winter solider can fight cap toe to toe, and even out muscle him a few times in the movie says enough about his strength look at the beating cap took near the end of the film, cap is a beast I don't doubt that the Winter Soldier wasn't superhuman in the area's that count Quote: if you still doubt caps jumping and what not here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uio88nD-bNA does stuff like this throughout the movies This is impressive no doubt but that's no where near the height that he fell down earlier. He also rolled, probably to reduce the impact. I could look past that but Cap shouldn't be tanking 20+ floor drops without problems, enhanced human or otherwise espeically when he was phased by weaker blows. Also steve is right about the centripetal force regarding Blade and the pillar. He literally took it head on and was barely dazed by it (and this was when he was weakened). Also look at the size of the damage and compare it to the damage Bucky's cybernetic arm caused. Spoiler: click to toggle One left rock sized debris while the other just cracked the pavement. The arm is superhuman no doubt but Blade was taking blows harder than what Winter Solider's arm could dish out. Edited by DSTREET45, Feb 13 2015, 10:17 PM.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Feb 13 2015, 11:42 PM Post #37
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	DSTREET45 Feb 13 2015, 09:34 PM Yondaime Feb 13 2015, 10:18 AM his legs can take the impact but his upper body can't? i rather believe that both could, obviously hes gonna land on the shield its safer if he can reduce the damage why not I'd rather assume the opposite. He feels like the shield is necessary to avoid injury or death. That was the movie's intention, to show that Cap can't survive that fall without his shield and skill. If his legs were fine and it's durability also pertains to the rest of his body then why was the shield needed? And wasn't he at least dazed when being launched off the overpass? And Bucky arm left bruises on him? Spoiler: click to toggle Again don't see why Cap should be capable of taking a fall like that if less is need to hurt him. Quote: as for strength, after being shot a multiple times, exerting himself in a fight with winter soldier and being cut up too lifted a support beam off his opponent dont think anything blade has done is close to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_jVXcRvhTs Yeah that's very impressive, Blade never really lifted anything throughout the movie but he did throw that doctor onto a building across the street in the first movie if that counts for anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F8CDU6rhNo#t=281 He also was able to catch and hold on to a speeding train while weakened and only dislocated his shoulder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWfwXumWnnU#t=274 Quote: also the fact that winter solider can fight cap toe to toe, and even out muscle him a few times in the movie says enough about his strength look at the beating cap took near the end of the film, cap is a beast I don't doubt that the Winter Soldier wasn't superhuman in the area's that count Quote: if you still doubt caps jumping and what not here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uio88nD-bNA does stuff like this throughout the movies This is impressive no doubt but that's no where near the height that he fell down earlier. He also rolled, probably to reduce the impact. I could look past that but Cap shouldn't be tanking 20+ floor drops without problems, enhanced human or otherwise espeically when he was phased by weaker blows. Also steve is right about the centripetal force regarding Blade and the pillar. He literally took it head on and was barely dazed by it (and this was when he was weakened). Also look at the size of the damage and compare it to the damage Bucky's cybernetic arm caused. Spoiler: click to toggle One left rock sized debris while the other just cracked the pavement. The arm is superhuman no doubt but Blade was taking blows harder than what Winter Solider's arm could dish out. is it not always better to reduce damage if you can? like if i go to the store, i have 10$ sure i could buy something for 8$ but if i can shouldn't i buy the exact same thing for 6$ ? we can't say for certain the winter soldiers strength is less than the fall, but it took a lot of punches from winter soldier to do so little damage, anyways i think caps durability is better still yeah there jumping feats are both amazing, blades does seem a bit more impressive though, but that was never really much of an issue in the first place as for strength yeah still cap what about stamina? we have already established that blade is better close combat also does blade have anything notable for regular speed? Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Feb 13 2015, 11:43 PM.



DSTREET45	Feb 14 2015, 12:50 AM Post #38
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	Yondaime Feb 13 2015, 11:42 PM is it not always better to reduce damage if you can? like if i go to the store, i have 10$ sure i could buy something for 8$ but if i can shouldn't i buy the exact same thing for 6$ ? I don't think that the analogy works here. You say that Cap wanted to reduce the damage, implying that damage would've been caused, which contradicting the notion that his upper body is as durable as his lower body (since his legs were fine). If Cap's body was as durable as his lower body (assuming it completely withstood the impact without problems), he wouldn't have had any damage at all which downright makes using the shield pointless. It'd be like me using those big movie stunts pits when I fall off my bed. Quote: we can't say for certain the winter soldiers strength is less than the fall, His best punch left a small crack on the road. That's nothing compared the force of a full grown man falling from 20+ stories Quote: but it took a lot of punches from winter soldier to do so little damage, anyways i think caps durability is better still Six punches and Cap has four cuts, a black eye and a big bruise on his left cheek bone. Hardly small damage especially when he took hit's from the best his movies had to offer and didn't have bruises. Quote: as for strength yeah still cap Noted. What's the difference? Is is close? Quote: what about stamina? I don't remember particular stamina feats for Blade. Quote: also does blade have anything notable for regular speed? He was able to rescue a girl before she got hit by a bus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGC2HIS_lPo#t=202 Not sure if it better than Cap.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Feb 14 2015, 01:37 AM Post #39
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	obviously he took damage from the fall, but he got right back up and went on with his day if i fall off from a one story building and have my upper body covered im gonna be fine up there but nothing for my legs ... i get that his shield absorbs but i mean it wasnt even covering or touching his lower body, but thinking about it his suit he wears prolly absorbed/reduced the damage a fair bit as well, so i guess his face would be a good target for blade for strikes, and with sword well anything cause it would pierce anything but his shield as for winter soldiers strength it was implied in the movie to be better than caps, same wounded cap lifted the support beam as for blades strength, throwing someone across the building is not a bad feat, but he grunted and but a fair amount of power into it and i think he charged up too right? to add he threw someone on a much lower level, i'd say cap has a pretty decent strength advantage but nothing crazy of course another good reaction feat for blade with the train catching but not really a speed feat as for rescuing the girl idk, he sensed the cry and had a good start to get her, ofc he has good speed in cap 1 after cutting a bunch of corners(cause the car had a huge lead) rodgers(and this is him just getting his powers) chases a car down in a straight race, so not bad for speed(granted it was the 40's cars and the car did have to maneuver through a few cars but it seems rodgers would have caught the car anyways) as for stamina other than a few minors things i dont recall cap having any feat i mean he never seams to get tired but thats blade as well, so we could say similar stamina the way i see it cap has a decent strength lead, is faster but blade has better reactions and better at h2h and both are pretty similar in durability and agility cap does have grenades and his shield ofc and blade has his swords should be a close match up man, blades reactions may be a bit much for cap though also if you didnt know im havoc Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Feb 14 2015, 01:38 AM.



+ Steve	Feb 14 2015, 03:03 AM Post #40
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Should it not be noted that right before he saved that girl another vampire he shot at literally dodged bullets? I don't see how Cap is possibly faster. At best a little slower or equal, not faster, no way. Also look again at how far that bus was away 3:14 that's like 3 meters, if that and Blade still had time to turn around and shoot at what's his face then run to save her. When has Cap ever done anything that fast? Chasing after a crappy taxi from the 40's on busy roads doesn't really compare. Winter Soldier ain't all that strong he never done anything remarkable he's like barely ahead of peak human he can just punch as hard as possible because obviously he feels no pain. Cap could probably crack the pavement like that just in doing so he'd break his arm because he's a fleshy human not made of steel or whatever. Humans are pretty much like water balloons when it comes to hitting the ground if a plane crashes nose down everyone inside turns to mush, if we smash against something harder than us at force we just burst really. Which makes Blade being smashed in to the ground incredibly impressive, didn't even break his back not even a fall at terminal velocity would have that much of an impact, his durability is far far above Cap's he's a supernatural monster Cap peak or not is still just human.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


DSTREET45	Feb 14 2015, 03:55 AM Post #41
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	Yondaime Feb 14 2015, 01:37 AM obviously he took damage from the fall, but he got right back up and went on with his day But he walking fine (getting ready to run actually). I doubt he be doing that if he was injured. Hell it's hard for people to walk properly after being charlie horsed. Quote: if i fall off from a one story building and have my upper body covered im gonna be fine up there but nothing for my legs ... i get that his shield absorbs but i mean it wasnt even covering or touching his lower body, but thinking about it his suit he wears prolly absorbed/reduced the damage a fair bit as well, so i guess his face would be a good target for blade for strikes, and with sword well anything cause it would pierce anything but his shield My guess is that he landed with the shield first resulting in something complicated with impact force and increasing time. I honestly don't think that we should be thinking so hard on this. I'm just gonna agree to disargee. Quote: as for winter soldiers strength it was implied in the movie to be better than caps, same wounded cap lifted the support beam The way I saw it they were pretty much equal with Cap having the advantage. Especially when you take this into account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swchnx7GPVk#t=87 Quote: as for blades strength, throwing someone across the building is not a bad feat, but he grunted and but a fair amount of power into it and i think he charged up too right? to add he threw someone on a much lower level, i'd say cap has a pretty decent strength advantage but nothing crazy of course Lower building or not it's still pretty impressive. I don't recall Cap throwing someone that far either causally or when trying his hardest. Quote: another good reaction feat for blade with the train catching but not really a speed feat I was using it more as a strength/durability feat. Anyone other than Nomak and Drake would've had his/her arm torn off. Quote: as for stamina other than a few minors things i dont recall cap having any feat i mean he never seams to get tired but thats blade as well, so we could say similar stamina Fair enough. Quote: the way i see it cap has a decent strength lead, is faster I'd say that both of these are close. Quote: but blade has better reactions and better at h2h Agreed. Quote: and both are pretty similar in durability and agility Agreed. Quote: cap does have grenades and his shield ofc and blade has his swords Are grenades standard gear for Cap? I thought he only uses his shield from Avengers on wards. The only grenade he used in Winter soldier was one he got off of some Hydra/Shield agent. Quote: should be a close match up man, blades reactions may be a bit much for cap though Agreed. Quote: also if you didnt know im havoc



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Feb 14 2015, 08:17 AM Post #42
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	for the durability agree to disagree fair enough and for the fight scene when cap had him in the lock, winter soldier out muscled him while losing consciousness and had one arm free untill cap used his leg to pin him down again, i mean hes losing air and consciousness cant do much to counter, whereas at first he just put in the lock and could break free but what seals the deal as cap being weaker is this video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d6Xvm-m-io winter soldier caught caps shield no look and didnt budge, and when winter soldier returned it cap budge a feet or two back should be noted that only winter soliders silver arm is stronger just incase there were any confusion and yeah i dont think grenade is part of his regular equipment i most have missed him picking it up from the soldier or w/e fight comes down to who can outlast the other, and take the other out, blade certainly has the offense edge but cap has the defensive edge with his shield and his suit should protect a decent amount from cuts but not straight up stabs could go either way, but blades reactions might put it him over the edge, cap would be defending a decent amount in the fight



DSTREET45	Feb 17 2015, 05:16 AM Post #43
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	Sorry for the late reply. Yondaime Feb 14 2015, 08:17 AM and for the fight scene when cap had him in the lock, winter soldier out muscled him while losing consciousness and had one arm free untill cap used his leg to pin him down again, i mean hes losing air and consciousness cant do much to counter, whereas at first he just put in the lock and could break free I thought of it as Cap trying to move WS arm away from his head since that's where it was going for before. But after seeing it again I guess you're right. Quote: but what seals the deal as cap being weaker is this video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d6Xvm-m-io winter soldier caught caps shield no look and didnt budge, and when winter soldier returned it cap budge a feet or two back should be noted that only winter soliders silver arm is stronger just incase there were any confusion No confusion. But I just thought that Cap was pushed back because the shield of the way he caught it. I mean it's similar to the time Rami's Spiderman had his punch caught by Green Goblin. But Spiderman was stronger in the end. In any case I'm not sure if the shield was due to catch was due to the arm being stronger especially since Cap was matching it in their fights. Quote: and yeah i dont think grenade is part of his regular equipment i most have missed him picking it up from the soldier or w/e Ok. Thought so. Quote: fight comes down to who can outlast the other, and take the other out, blade certainly has the offense edge but cap has the defensive edge with his shield and his suit should protect a decent amount from cuts but not straight up stabs Agreed. Quote: could go either way, but blades reactions might put it him over the edge, cap would be defending a decent amount in the fight Yeah I'm gonna go with Blade. The reaction speed is something I don't Cap would be able to overcome. He'd put up a good fight though. Edited by DSTREET45, Feb 17 2015, 05:17 AM.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Feb 17 2015, 07:38 AM Post #44
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	yeah blades reaction are good, but i dont think its so much above caps, i mean bullet dodging was scaled to him cap fought a super beings but i would have to look for some good reaction feats, so meh blade will have a tough time getting around caps shield, as well as his suit, unless cap gets straight up stabbed by blades sword, they both can take quite a bit and have great stamina to go for rounds would be a good fight to see for sure



+ Steve	Feb 17 2015, 10:59 PM Post #45
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Cap would be on the defensive here though the shield wouldn't do him much good for offense he'd need another weapon to really do anything but block.
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