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Death battle: toph vs gaara
Topic Started: Feb 7 2015, 07:25 PM (3,129 Views)
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I honestly don't know gaara well enough since I haven't seen most of shippuden. So what's your guys opinion on this?
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That one shot model of ba sing se looked like some pretty proficent sand bending to me. And her fighting style is appropriate (Southern Praying Mantis I pretty effective against a fair majority of ninjutsu, I see no reason a magic mantis style wouldn't be as effective.)

Honestly, in a fight, its not all strength and speed. I'd betcha 50,000 dollars you can punch harder than me, but unless you know what do do with the punches then they wont do you much good
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The only Superman versions Goku could beat would be the very first Supes or some animated versions. I don't know why you discuss it, though. Supes clearly stomps Son with ease. And Goku is pretty much featless in comparison with Superman.

Back on topic, I think that they explain it very well why Toph won. Because Gaara was full of elements Toph could manipulate. Therefore, it was easy for her to damage Gaara, especially since Gaara didn't know about his insane's foes' abilities.

People say Naruto guys can run at impressive speeds. I've seen Naruto throw a 100-ton rhino to the air and that's already impressive, but how fast are some of them, or Gaara for this matter?
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Feb 11 2015, 09:45 PM
The only Superman versions Goku could beat would be the very first Supes or some animated versions. I don't know why you discuss it, though. Supes clearly stomps Son with ease. And Goku is pretty much featless in comparison with Superman.

Back on topic, I think that they explain it very well why Toph won. Because Gaara was full of elements Toph could manipulate. Therefore, it was easy for her to damage Gaara, especially since Gaara didn't know about his insane's foes' abilities.

People say Naruto guys can run at impressive speeds. I've seen Naruto throw a 100-ton rhino to the air and that's already impressive, but how fast are some of them, or Gaara for this matter?
thats obvious that superman is better than goku yet we can argue on the fact that which version of erither of them
end of gt base goku could easily stomp post crisis superman yet utterly fail against superman prime one million


ontopic: Gaara's speed does matter a lot because of he is so fast Toph could not see than she is doomed
so yeah speed matters a lot

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Feb 11 2015, 09:45 PM
The only Superman versions Goku could beat would be the very first Supes or some animated versions. I don't know why you discuss it, though. Supes clearly stomps Son with ease. And Goku is pretty much featless in comparison with Superman.

Back on topic, I think that they explain it very well why Toph won. Because Gaara was full of elements Toph could manipulate. Therefore, it was easy for her to damage Gaara, especially since Gaara didn't know about his insane's foes' abilities.

People say Naruto guys can run at impressive speeds. I've seen Naruto throw a 100-ton rhino to the air and that's already impressive, but how fast are some of them, or Gaara for this matter?
Gaara was able to make a sand clone in the small amount of time between two of Lee's kicks; only Kakashi/The Jounin were able to see it. His ''Ultimate Defense'' sand shield was also able to block attacks from Weighted Lee, who's faster than Curse Seal Sasuke, who was able to dodge a highly concentrated, fast blast of airwaves at very close range.

Weighted Lee >~ Gaara's Ultimate Defense > Curse Seal Sasuke > Zaku's Airwaves

Gaara's sand only gets quicker as the series progresses; in Part II, his ultimate defense is capable of blocking a lightning chakra-charged knife thrown by Sasuke, with Lightning Chakra pretty much always being associated with a speed increase. Given how much faster everything got over the time-skip and Part II, Gaara at that point is waaa~aaay above Lightning speed. You could make an argument that his late Part I self is > Lightning too, but by Part II it's definite.
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Feb 11 2015, 09:52 PM
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Feb 11 2015, 09:45 PM
The only Superman versions Goku could beat would be the very first Supes or some animated versions. I don't know why you discuss it, though. Supes clearly stomps Son with ease. And Goku is pretty much featless in comparison with Superman.

Back on topic, I think that they explain it very well why Toph won. Because Gaara was full of elements Toph could manipulate. Therefore, it was easy for her to damage Gaara, especially since Gaara didn't know about his insane's foes' abilities.

People say Naruto guys can run at impressive speeds. I've seen Naruto throw a 100-ton rhino to the air and that's already impressive, but how fast are some of them, or Gaara for this matter?
thats obvious that superman is better than goku yet we can argue on the fact that which version of erither of them
end of gt base goku could easily stomp post crisis superman yet utterly fail against superman prime one million


ontopic: Gaara's speed does matter a lot because of he is so fast Toph could not see than she is doomed
so yeah speed matters a lot
Superman Prime and Prime One Million are in Post Crisis' timeline IIRC
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Feb 11 2015, 07:48 PM
Didn't Goku pick up a small city in GT?

But back to the plot, why all the death battle hate? Goku vs Superman, Toph vs Gaara, hell all the Hurt for Majin Buu vs Hoshi No Kabii. You guys know this is a cartoon about cartoons and videogames fighting other cartoons and video games right? And honestly, does anyone here HAVE a degree in any science? I have a BS in Physics from CU do yeah I'll nit pick a few calcs, but honestly their science is pretty solid.
That is his ultimate lifting feat though even if it's non canon it's still dwarfed by stuff Superman can do.


Where was the science in this fight? Either they didn't do their research on Gaara at all or they simply ignored how fast he is, how fast his sand is and what attacks he's capable of. Not to mention his intelligence, he's no Shikamaru but he's a quick thinker he wouldn't just sit in his ball and not do anything...for absolutely no reason.

Also one think we've not really mentioned is durability Lee obviously was an unbeatable foe for him, mostly but he still survived hits from him most notably the hidden Lotus. He broke his fall with the sand, sure but that was a massively powerful attack and he survived enough to be able to finish Lee off.

How the hell could Toph one shot him up close like that? Didn't see anything about her having comparable strength to Gated Lee, not even base Lee...
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She compressed him with his own sand, I believe
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What she did made sense, it's just how she was able to that doesn't. She's not too fast for Gaara to use a sand clone, or even substitution, but Gaara seemed to have forgotten that he could do either of them.
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Feb 11 2015, 10:22 PM
What she did made sense, it's just how she was able to that doesn't. She's not too fast for Gaara to use a sand clone, or even substitution, but Gaara seemed to have forgotten that he could do either of them.
And his automatic sand shield just kinda took a nap I guess? Or maybe his mother was disappointed with his battle tactics in the fight and gave up on him.


I like how they brought up the gold dust like it's always in his sand he just picked it up much like he does grind up the ground to make more sand.
And also downplayed how much chakra he has because sand armour took a lot out of him...in part one...

Later in the same part he could destroy a whole area of land fairly easily.
Skip 3 years and then about another 1 and a bit to the war and somehow he still doesn't have much chakra? Right ok.
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Feb 11 2015, 09:24 PM
That one shot model of ba sing se looked like some pretty proficent sand bending to me. And her fighting style is appropriate (Southern Praying Mantis I pretty effective against a fair majority of ninjutsu, I see no reason a magic mantis style wouldn't be as effective.)

Honestly, in a fight, its not all strength and speed. I'd betcha 50,000 dollars you can punch harder than me, but unless you know what do do with the punches then they wont do you much good
Just because she can bend something small easily, doesn't mean she can bend something as large as say a tsunami, with ease, that's a fallacy
My friend came up with a response, "with that logic I can say that because gaara covered a near football field's worth of earth into sand, he can cover an entire country of sand after the timeskip"
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Feb 11 2015, 07:56 PM
Goku is clearly faster than light and can obviously lift way more than 40 tons. I'm pretty sure they used Post-Crisis Supes who's not even remotely close to that level.

Post-Crisis Supes is like around planet level. He's nowhere even near close to Base Goku who's multi-solar system+ level. Bear in mind I'm only using the manga Goku.
Goku isn't faster than light. His best feat in GT was shooting Super #17 halfway across the world. It took two seconds or so, that's not nearly lightspeed. Gotenks has no lightspeed feats and nor does anyone else.

Goku can blow up a solar system? What evidence is there for that?

Goku can lift way more than 40 tons? Maybe, but you have no way of proving that. It would be conjecture, no matter what. You can't use conjecture. He lifted things that should have been more than 40 tons, but we have to assume they aren't because 40 tons is his limit during the Boo Arc. Even if you show that he can lift heavier things in his later forms, you can't prove what they weigh. It's impossible. If you can't show exactly how much whatever it is you use an example weighs, you can't use it as a feat. No matter what number you put on it, it's fan conjecture and is unusable.
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Dude seriously stop talking about subjects you are completely wrong on

It's embarrassing
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Feb 11 2015, 11:41 PM
Dude seriously stop talking about subjects you are completely wrong on

It's embarrassing
Ok then. I assume you have a scan that shows Goku moving faster than light and a scan that shows him lifting 100,000 tons and that you can prove it. Good luck with that one.
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Why do people think lifting immense weight means anything?

Is he going to lift goku to death smh

I'd be worried about how hard characters can hit

Kaioken scaling and BOZ piccolo's blast puts s*** tiers close or beyond light speed lol

The anime and movies also has plenty of light speed feats to pick and choose from

Not too mention star lvl/solar system feats and statements as well

Superman would beat Goku in a fight but stop downplaying Goku
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Scaling then?

Yeah, that won't fly. Scaling doesn't work.
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