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3 FP 2nd Form Friezas vs 3rd Form Frieza
Topic Started: Jan 4 2015, 08:16 PM (2,658 Views)
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He just put all his power into one blast. That's not unusual.

Why does it have to mean that Vegeta knows it was a rage boost?
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Well it's because it fell all the way back down. The same thing was shown various times as well on Raditz's scouter, so perhaps Vegeta picked up on that.
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I doubt that Vegeta knows whose powers those were. All he saw was 322, 334, 408, 416, 1330, 924, 1,307, 710, 1 and some other stuff. He wouldn't know whose powers they were.

Chapter: 204 (DBZ 10), P10.1
Context: Vegeta talking about Raditz losing to Goku and co.
Vegeta: “"Geez, what a pitiful guy... To be killed by guys with battle powers slightly over 1,000 at most...”

I think the phrasing of Vegeta's statement about Gohan is important. He doesn't say anything about Gohan's anger or anything, he just says that Gohan can alter his BP and then says that ki has dropped; he's not even really surprised by the drop.
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Friezza Second Form tier fighters don't stand a chance against Third Form. He literally destroyed Piccolo, even three of them wouldn't make any difference and the same goes for Frieza.
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Jan 5 2015, 06:21 PM
I doubt that Vegeta knows whose powers those were. All he saw was 322, 334, 408, 416, 1330, 924, 1,307, 710, 1 and some other stuff. He wouldn't know whose powers they were.

Chapter: 204 (DBZ 10), P10.1
Context: Vegeta talking about Raditz losing to Goku and co.
Vegeta: “"Geez, what a pitiful guy... To be killed by guys with battle powers slightly over 1,000 at most...”

I think the phrasing of Vegeta's statement about Gohan is important. He doesn't say anything about Gohan's anger or anything, he just says that Gohan can alter his BP and then says that ki has dropped; he's not even really surprised by the drop.
I'll consider conceding if you can answer this, wasn't Vegeta able to listen in on everything that was happening? Shouldn't he have heard the context of Gohan's power level?
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He does seem to understand that Gohan is special, but he thinks it's only because Gohan is a hybrid.

Chapter: 204 (DBZ 10), P12.1-2
Vegeta: “At any rate, the battle power of Kakarot’s son is unusually high, even by the standards of Saiyan children.”
Nappa: “Maybe his reading was wrong.”
Vegeta: “No, it wasn’t wrong. Raditz really took a large amount of damage from that brat’s attack. It seems that mixing Saiyan and Earthling blood begets a powerful hybrid.”

He doesn't ever acknowledge the anger thing until he sees him attack Freeza. If he understood that Gohan's power was only 1 (and that he wasn't attempting to hide anything) normally, he shouldn't be so surprised by Gohan's rage increase against Freeza.
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What exactly does Saiyan Saga Gohan have to do with the thread at hand?
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We're discussing how relevant Gohan was to 1st Form Freeza, as that could help is decide what gap is needed for three fighters to beat one stronger one. FP then brought up the fact that Vegeta was confident in Gohan's current power, which I disagreed with.

It's all on topic, it's just we're going the long way to prove a point,

@FP I'll get back to you soon.
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Jan 5 2015, 05:33 PM
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Jan 5 2015, 08:08 AM
What do you think Freeza was suppressing to in his first form?
300-400k.
I'm hoping you're not going to say Piccolo wasn't actually intimidated by Freeza's power so that doubling his power would end up above Freeza.
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Pyrus
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What do you think Freeza was suppressing to in his first form?
300-400k.
I'm hoping you're not going to say Piccolo wasn't actually intimidated by Freeza's power so that doubling his power would end up above Freeza.
400k to Piccolo's 300k then.

I concede.
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Jan 5 2015, 09:45 PM
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Pyrus
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What do you think Freeza was suppressing to in his first form?
300-400k.
I'm hoping you're not going to say Piccolo wasn't actually intimidated by Freeza's power so that doubling his power would end up above Freeza.
400k to Piccolo's 300k then.

I concede.
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Freeza: 375k
-530k

Vegeta: 250k
-490k

Gohan: 325k

Krillin: 250k

Piccolo: 350k
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Now I'm confused. Piccolo had a fear boner from someone he was 93% of? I can't tell if you're trying to sabotage yourself or actually serious.
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Jan 5 2015, 10:00 PM
Piccolo: 350k
Before fusing with Nail? What warrants that :| I feel so out of the loop today.
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Sensing hidden power is common in Z.

@Clearin: the fact that if he merged with Kami he could supposedly defeat Freeza (1st form), and the Elder Namek says he lost half of his power by splitting.
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