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3 FP 2nd Form Friezas vs 3rd Form Frieza
Topic Started: Jan 4 2015, 08:16 PM (2,660 Views)
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Goku was heavily distracted. That scene was meant to show how much Ginyu enjoys a fair fight, and how much of an idiot Jheese is.

3rd form Freeza should have this. I think the gap is large enough where quantity doesn't matter. There wasn't much to work with within the gap to begin with.
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The difference between the Jeice and Ginyu thing and this battle is that Ginyu was actually on Goku's level and Goku never attempts to tank attacks unless he's a Super Saiyan.

Freeza does indeed tank attacks and no one on the team is close enough to him to capitalize on a distraction. Once more, speed blitz is the answer
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Jan 4 2015, 10:22 PM
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Jan 4 2015, 09:57 PM
If you'll recall, Jheese actually made a difference when Ginyu and Goku fought. Jheese and Goku miles apart; he just interfered at the exact opportune moment. I would reckon that Zarbon and Dodoria could manage to beat Vegeta; Zarbon's pretty quick and Dodoria has decent power.

Of course, Zarbon could just transform, so I don't really know why Freeza told them they'd have to team up in the first place.
In that case Goku was fighting someone with a higher powerlevel than himself, though. If it was Goku vs Burter, then Jeice's distraction wouldn't have done much.
While that's true, we've also seen that three inferior fighters (some heavily inferior) can take down one opponent. See First Form Freeza vs Vegeta, Krillin and Gohan.

Vegeta might be close to Freeza, but Gohan and Krillin are certainly not.
Gohan and Krillin can be. I don't see why not.
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If you'll recall, Jheese actually made a difference when Ginyu and Goku fought. Jheese and Goku miles apart; he just interfered at the exact opportune moment. I would reckon that Zarbon and Dodoria could manage to beat Vegeta; Zarbon's pretty quick and Dodoria has decent power.

Of course, Zarbon could just transform, so I don't really know why Freeza told them they'd have to team up in the first place.
In that case Goku was fighting someone with a higher powerlevel than himself, though. If it was Goku vs Burter, then Jeice's distraction wouldn't have done much.
While that's true, we've also seen that three inferior fighters (some heavily inferior) can take down one opponent. See First Form Freeza vs Vegeta, Krillin and Gohan.

Vegeta might be close to Freeza, but Gohan and Krillin are certainly not.
Gohan and Krillin can be. I don't see why not.
They should be significantly less than Vegeta.
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Why? When was that established?
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Krillin: His power is too high! There's no way we can beat him!

Said before seeing Vegeta. Gohan was also struggling to say anything and looked terrified.

-After Vegeta powers up

Krillin: It's like Vegeta's broken through another power ceiling, y'know?
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They also doubted their chances against Freeza until Vegeta told them it would work, and then they agreed. Seems they were just afraid.
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Yeah but I think they agreed because they were growing stronger. Vegeta made note of how they were constantly gaining power and said that Gohan had unimaginable hidden power. He gave them confidence for sure, but their statements should not be tossed because they became confident.
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That doesn't preclude Gohan and Krillin being around 80% of Freeza. Hell, if they aren't, why is Vegeta so confident in them? He'd never displayed any faith in them before. Why start now?

Even if Gohan/Krillin had BPs of around 120,000, Vegeta would have been telling them to stay out of his way.
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That doesn't preclude Gohan and Krillin being around 80% of Freeza. Hell, if they aren't, why is Vegeta so confident in them? He'd never displayed any faith in them before. Why start now?

Even if Gohan/Krillin had BPs of around 120,000, Vegeta would have been telling them to stay out of his way.
They were constantly rising as stated by Vegeta himself.

300k for them is a safe power level to use given their fear of Freeza.
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Gohan seems to think his BP is comparable to Freeza's.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6
Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”
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Where does he say that he is comparable to Freeza? He says that they might be able to manage something.
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"H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!"

Surely they've gotten better. It doesn't mean anything if they haven't gotten so much better that they're relevant to Freeza. I would argue that 300k is not. Jheese wouldn't even entertain the idea of competing with a BP of 60,000, that should be a gap of about ~34%. It's safe to say that Krillin and Gohan are closer than that.
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Gohan could be around 400k, don't you think?
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Jeice didn't have a 3 on 1 situation with one of the fighters being nearly equal with Freeza.

Allow me to explain.

We have Vegeta clearly being slightly inferior to Freeza as he is sweating and panting after the exchange, while Freeza is expressionless.

Something like 530 : 500 works well.

Then we have Krillin stating that he doesn't think they could win against Freeza, and Gohan himself seemed to agree based on his expression. Then we also have Krillin saying that Vegeta is on an entire different level. Gohan thinks that they can win due to the teamwork aspect. Vegeta is nearly on par with Freeza, so two semi-relevant fighters who are constantly getting stronger can have a huge impact on the fight. All it would take is another Vegeta vs Freeza scuffle where they tie each other up, and then Krillin can use a Kienzan on Freeza.

The point here is that since Vegeta is so strong, it doesn't take as much to help as you may think.

350k for Gohan is the most I'd want to go, and they should be below weighted Piccolo in my opinion, who is maybe 350k at best.
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