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Tobirama Senju vs Morel Mackernasey
Topic Started: Jan 3 2015, 08:16 PM (521 Views)
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Who do you think would win?

Location: King's Palace.
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Tobirama with little difficulty he can teleport, is fast, can summon the dead, fire water dragons and high pressure water jets or bullets,

Hand to hand maybe Morel with the offensive strength Nen gives but Tobirama has a huge advantage on range.


Morel wouldn't get the time to prepare for any attacks because unlike HxH Naruto characters don't have complex abilities to decipher they can charge in to battle and only have Genjutsu to worry about in that way, so Tobirama would get right on that without waiting for Morel to make loads of smoke.
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Jan 3 2015, 11:22 PM
Tobirama with little difficulty he can teleport, is fast, can summon the dead, fire water dragons and high pressure water jets or bullets,

Hand to hand maybe Morel with the offensive strength Nen gives but Tobirama has a huge advantage on range.


Morel wouldn't get the time to prepare for any attacks because unlike HxH Naruto characters don't have complex abilities to decipher they can charge in to battle and only have Genjutsu to worry about in that way, so Tobirama would get right on that without waiting for Morel to make loads of smoke.
Morel can quickly make smoke with ease as seen with his fight against Cheetu. Even against Pouf, with about 35% of his power, he made his Smoky Jail quickly. He doesn't need much time to release smoke, and I doubt that Tobirama can see through smoke. The Sharingan can't see through the mist and smoke is much thicker, while Morel can sense Tobirama through the smoke.

Morel has experience to fight against water. Against Leol, he fought against literally Tsunamis and he can float over water.
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but morel is just so......

i doubt morel is very fast, tobi would prolly speedblitz the living day out of him
not to mention edo and all his water techniques which are more then anything that morel was against
oh and tobis huge pool of chakra i doubt morel would last very long at all
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Jan 4 2015, 10:24 AM
but morel is just so......

i doubt morel is very fast, tobi would prolly speedblitz the living day out of him
not to mention edo and all his water techniques which are more then anything that morel was against
oh and tobis huge pool of chakra i doubt morel would last very long at all
Morel isn't really slow. I don't imagine anything but FTG blitzing Morel. Well, doesn't Tobirama need sacrifices for Edo Tensei? Morel has a lot of aura too. He has 70,000 of aura to use. Gon in the entirety of his last battle against Knuckle had 21,500 of aura to use. Most of it went due to him being incapable of controlling the aura he's using when he's using his Hatsu. That battle lasted long. Morel can go even much more and he's a single star sea hunter so he's skilled in using Nen as he's Netero's partner.
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He has like no offensive capabilities though his powers are for containment and distraction he has nothing but direct hits that could hurt Tobirama and Tobirama can just teleport whenever he wants.

Plus everything we see Tobirama do he can do much better considering how much more powerful being alive made Madara.


He still also has to inhale and exhale, Tobirama can shoot water bullets faster than that he needs only spit. Presumably they're about as powerful as that Hozuki Clan Water Gun thing to, given that even Madara had to block them with Susano'o around his arm.
When he'd just took hits from every Bijuu and only lost an arm(or before can't remember) he was still worried enough to defend against them and they must have been fast enough for him to be unable to dodge, even though he'd just reacted to Tobirama's surprise attack not long before.

There's also the whole weakness with the pipe even if Morel was lasting a long time a water dragon could snatch that from him and then he has nothing.
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Jan 4 2015, 02:25 PM
He has like no offensive capabilities though his powers are for containment and distraction he has nothing but direct hits that could hurt Tobirama and Tobirama can just teleport whenever he wants.

Plus everything we see Tobirama do he can do much better considering how much more powerful being alive made Madara.


He still also has to inhale and exhale, Tobirama can shoot water bullets faster than that he needs only spit. Presumably they're about as powerful as that Hozuki Clan Water Gun thing to, given that even Madara had to block them with Susano'o around his arm.
When he'd just took hits from every Bijuu and only lost an arm(or before can't remember) he was still worried enough to defend against them and they must have been fast enough for him to be unable to dodge, even though he'd just reacted to Tobirama's surprise attack not long before.

There's also the whole weakness with the pipe even if Morel was lasting a long time a water dragon could snatch that from him and then he has nothing.
He has his physical attacks which should be powerful enough to damage Tobirama.

Well Madara used Susanoo to take on literally anything so yeah. Morel can use his smoke to defend himself or Gyo to block the attacks.

Morel can create a lot of smoke in a short time. Also if the pipe was stolen, Morel can still manipulate the existing smoke. Morel can use his smoke clone technique which would be effective. All of them are made of Nen, so Tobirama wouldn't guess who's the real one. Morel can make a ton of them, and then can attack Tobirama with a powerful hit. Morel is quite the durable one, he was taking on Cheetu's hits with no noticeable injuries, and while weakened to 35%, could take a stomp from Shaiapouf and later stand up.
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He has his physical attacks which should be powerful enough to damage Tobirama.

Well Madara used Susanoo to take on literally anything so yeah. Morel can use his smoke to defend himself or Gyo to block the attacks.

Morel can create a lot of smoke in a short time. Also if the pipe was stolen, Morel can still manipulate the existing smoke. Morel can use his smoke clone technique which would be effective. All of them are made of Nen, so Tobirama wouldn't guess who's the real one. Morel can make a ton of them, and then can attack Tobirama with a powerful hit. Morel is quite the durable one, he was taking on Cheetu's hits with no noticeable injuries, and while weakened to 35%, could take a stomp from Shaiapouf and later stand up.
True but not the speed to land them unless he gets lucky.

Yeah but he didn't use Susano'o to defend himself against every Bijuu and suffered what was to him minor damage but Tobirama's water bullets were a relevant threat.

For that Morel has to react perfectly and if an attack is hitting say four places Gyo would be rendered useless as his aura would be spread out far too much.


The clones can't do any damage though so they're fairly useless and can just be destroyed by water bullets as I said.
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Jan 4 2015, 09:33 PM
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He has his physical attacks which should be powerful enough to damage Tobirama.

Well Madara used Susanoo to take on literally anything so yeah. Morel can use his smoke to defend himself or Gyo to block the attacks.

Morel can create a lot of smoke in a short time. Also if the pipe was stolen, Morel can still manipulate the existing smoke. Morel can use his smoke clone technique which would be effective. All of them are made of Nen, so Tobirama wouldn't guess who's the real one. Morel can make a ton of them, and then can attack Tobirama with a powerful hit. Morel is quite the durable one, he was taking on Cheetu's hits with no noticeable injuries, and while weakened to 35%, could take a stomp from Shaiapouf and later stand up.
True but not the speed to land them unless he gets lucky.

Yeah but he didn't use Susano'o to defend himself against every Bijuu and suffered what was to him minor damage but Tobirama's water bullets were a relevant threat.

For that Morel has to react perfectly and if an attack is hitting say four places Gyo would be rendered useless as his aura would be spread out far too much.


The clones can't do any damage though so they're fairly useless and can just be destroyed by water bullets as I said.
He had SM activated and he had his other part help him.

Ken would be effective, and he'd only need Gyo for the stronger attacks.

He can lessen their quantity and increase their quality dramatically, and they're made out of smoke so they'd regenerate fairly easily.
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Jan 5 2015, 08:18 AM
He had SM activated and he had his other part help him.

Ken would be effective, and he'd only need Gyo for the stronger attacks.

He can lessen their quantity and increase their quality dramatically, and they're made out of smoke so they'd regenerate fairly easily.
Yeah and he had SM activated when he was forced to use Susano'o to defend himself, the water bullets were a more relevant threat to every Bijuu attacking him and that combo from Shukaku and Gaara.

Basically he'd have been shot through the head and died and probably couldn't have dodged, given that he didn't attempt to instead wasted chakra if he could have dodged, which is doubtful.


But the smoke clones are useless they do no damage and have very little durability and I'm pretty sure they don't regenerate, remember Youpi "kills" like 100 or something and they don't come back.

No doubt Morel can fix them using his pipe but in doing so he'd reveal who's the real one.


Also Tobirama's sensory capabilities are great(can't remember if it said he was sensory type ever, possibly) not long before he died he could merely touch the ground and sense that 20 Elite ninja were heading his way, the part when he sacrificed himself and promoted Hiruzen to Hokage.
He'd definitely be able to follow their movements and given that they're smoke and aren't going to be heavy at all he'd easily work out which is Morel, he's a fairly bulky dude :p
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He had SM activated and he had his other part help him.

Ken would be effective, and he'd only need Gyo for the stronger attacks.

He can lessen their quantity and increase their quality dramatically, and they're made out of smoke so they'd regenerate fairly easily.
Yeah and he had SM activated when he was forced to use Susano'o to defend himself, the water bullets were a more relevant threat to every Bijuu attacking him and that combo from Shukaku and Gaara.

Basically he'd have been shot through the head and died and probably couldn't have dodged, given that he didn't attempt to instead wasted chakra if he could have dodged, which is doubtful.


But the smoke clones are useless they do no damage and have very little durability and I'm pretty sure they don't regenerate, remember Youpi "kills" like 100 or something and they don't come back.

No doubt Morel can fix them using his pipe but in doing so he'd reveal who's the real one.


Also Tobirama's sensory capabilities are great(can't remember if it said he was sensory type ever, possibly) not long before he died he could merely touch the ground and sense that 20 Elite ninja were heading his way, the part when he sacrificed himself and promoted Hiruzen to Hokage.
He'd definitely be able to follow their movements and given that they're smoke and aren't going to be heavy at all he'd easily work out which is Morel, he's a fairly bulky dude :p
I don't think so. The Bijuu attacks are stronger obviously, but because the water bullets are more focused on one point rather than the attack of the Bijuu which is huge, and wouldn't focus the energy in one spot, but like the energy would be separated. Don't think Kishi thought over this one. Also the durability of most Ninjas aren't really worthy to notice.

They don't regenerate, but revert back to smoke. Youpi apparently fought 50 IIRC, and you know that he's obviously crazy strong.

Well that won't help.

Morel got used to Cheetu's speed fairly quick, and I really doubt that Tobirama is anywhere near that. I'd guess he'd be the same league as Morel without FTG.

You know that Morel can sneak and hit him fairly hard with the pipe. Morel can exhale pretty fast. He covered the entire underground church with CO2 in a very short time, so he'd be capable of letting out a lot of Smoke in a short time. He's pretty smart too.

I love these fights where either character can win depending on the circumstances :p
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