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Kakashi vs Dragon Ball
Topic Started: Jan 2 2015, 02:03 PM (603 Views)
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This is Pein arc Kakashi

From Goku BoDb to Goku 23 Budokai tenkaichi


Remember using kamui at this point weakens Kakashi so damn much so he can only use this at the very desperate momment
Can he beat the whole roster?

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As far as speed goes, Kakashi is at the same level as 23th budokai high tiers, he was fast enough to cut lightning if i remember correctly. However in strengh and skills i seriously doubt he could take down 23th budokai contestants. With Kamui he could beat them all eventually, i heard it's incredibly hax.
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Kamui is extremely hax. It's fast enough to catch Bijuu Mode Naruto without Obito noticing it. Obito is the same dude who could react to v2 Ay's attack, fast enough to avoid Amaterasu.
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As far as speed goes, Kakashi is at the same level as 23th budokai high tiers, he was fast enough to cut lightning if i remember correctly. However in strengh and skills i seriously doubt he could take down 23th budokai contestants. With Kamui he could beat them all eventually, i heard it's incredibly hax.
Goku as a kid was faster than lightning.
23rd budakai is way faster, not even earths god can see how fast there going.
The question is how fast can kakashi react to or if he can react to there ki blast.
The mid and low tier DB are better at him at close quaters and mid tiers are showen to throw near light speed blast (ex of roshi shattering moon in seaconds).
The only thing i see helping is kamuai but from what we saw in the series people as slow as deidara can avoid it, it has gotten better tho but the question is how fast was Kaguyas impaling move.
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I still don't get this faster than lightning thing....on either side. We don't even know how kakashi actually went about doing it(do we?) and there is no solid proof goku is faster than lightning. The only thing I think might suggest goku having faster than lightning reflexes is when he dodges piccolos blast at close range that crossed a small continent sized island in one panel(or something like that I can't remember exactly right now). Which I think sounds like a pretty good feat that might mean faster than lightning reflexes but idk how people feel about it here
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dbz wise it was a hyperbole clear as day
popo also says be calm as a sky which is not really.......yeah
not sure about naruto though
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Yeah I kind of doubt there'd be that big a jump considering how little their PL's went up. Roshi was fast enough to catch bullets going as fast as lightning a level or two up from that is insane.

Not sure about Kakashi being lightning speed in movement speed but Goku definitely not I mean really at the end of DB isn't his PL like 300?
How ridiculously fast is he supposed to be when his PL is literally over a million times that...

Lightning is around 224,000 mph.
So times a million 224000000000 mph is what he should be going at if scaling is legit...
Just no.
There wouldn't be so massive a speed gain and then so slow a speed gain later in the series either.


Anyway Kakashi I believe could stab with the speed of lightning as well as react to it but not run up to it and cut it from any distance away.
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It doesn't scale linearly so them making random massive gains from small gains in power level is fine. They went from tiny grenade size explosions to moon busting in dragon ball. Then from moon busting to planet busting. Then it stays planet busting till a small 2x multiplier in the cell games and it becomes solar system busting.

We can't say if they're exactly X speed in dragon ball, they should be exactly X speed somewhere in dbz. So i think it's fine if they're faster than lightning in dragon ball...if we can prove it lol
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It doesn't scale linearly so them making random massive gains from small gains in power level is fine. They went from tiny grenade size explosions to moon busting in dragon ball. Then from moon busting to planet busting. Then it stays planet busting till a small 2x multiplier in the cell games and it becomes solar system busting.

We can't say if they're exactly X speed in dragon ball, they should be exactly X speed somewhere in dbz. So i think it's fine if they're faster than lightning in dragon ball...if we can prove it lol
But then what are the speed gains later?

I know it doesn't scale linearly but they clearly get much faster, like Goku after training with King Kai.

If he was already as fast as lightning how much faster did he get to have such a big difference? 300mph?

If he was lightning speed he obviously got way faster than a 300mph gain so it makes no sense at all even if you don't scale it linearly there are enough massive speed boosts that suggest people should be going stupidly fast by the end of the series but no evidence to support it.

Whereas with Kakashi we have evidence of his hands being extremely quick, vs Zabuza and we know how perceptive the Sharingan is and that it can react to lightning, given that Itachi obviously did.
So Kakshi cutting a lightning bolt has some backing to without clear cut evidence whereas as Goku being lightning speed has no backing at all besides a statement combined with some obvious hyperbole.

We know Kakashi cut a lightning bolt of some sort and we know it's considered a speed feat in their world. We know nothing of what Popo said entails.
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Yeah I'm saying we don't know exactly how fast they are later. Dbz's combat speed actually their abilities in general are very vague. There's nothing new here.

Well, I didn't say goku is faster than lightning for sure I said if someone can prove it, I'd be fine with it.

Personally, other than the slight chance he's faster than light in dragon ball because of the whole solar flare thing, I don't think they're think faster than lightning in combat speed till ssj1 gotenks pre rosat and even then it's a bit vague
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Jan 3 2015, 02:46 AM
Yeah I'm saying we don't know exactly how fast they are later. Dbz's combat speed actually their abilities in general are very vague. There's nothing new here.

Well, I didn't say goku is faster than lightning for sure I said if someone can prove it, I'd be fine with it.

Personally, other than the slight chance he's faster than light in dragon ball because of the whole solar flare thing, I don't think they're think faster than lightning in combat speed till ssj1 gotenks pre rosat and even then it's a bit vague
It being vague gives others views on their speed though. It goes both ways in this case:

They're react at speed of sound, they react to multiple timed that. Who knows? I personally think they're as fast as plot demands.

On Namek, Goku crossed a larger planet (a short distance but still) in little time at all. Buuhan took a few panels to accomplish this on the smaller Earth. The gap in power is significant enough to warrant a speed blitz in Buuhan's favor despite Goku's feat being more impressive.
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