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Terminator(from Terminator 1) vs robocop
Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:26 PM (818 Views)
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who wins this ? :)

according to deathbattle Robocop but what are your opinions

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The original Terminator's arm was worse than a drunk hillbilly's and he was taken down quite a few times by stuff Robocop would carry.

He's losing
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What are Robocop's weapons? I'm assuming this is the original Robocop and not the 2014 remake.

The T-800 was one tough bastard. It took an insane amount of bullets from various semi-autos and autos, as well as shotguns. It was rammed by a car. It was blown up in a semi-truck. It became Freeza and kept going with half a body. Its aim may have been some s***, but it didn't really need it when it could keep going and going and take as many chances as it needed.

I have no idea about the old Robocop's feats, so feel free to tear my post apart.
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Dec 31 2014, 08:58 PM
What are Robocop's weapons? I'm assuming this is the original Robocop and not the 2014 remake.

The T-800 was one tough bastard. It took an insane amount of bullets from various semi-autos and autos, as well as shotguns. It was rammed by a car. It was blown up in a semi-truck. It became Freeza and kept going with half a body. Its aim may have been some s***, but it didn't really need it when it could keep going and going and take as many chances as it needed.

I have no idea about the old Robocop's feats, so feel free to tear my post apart.
Remember the steel press that turned Terminator into a squashed tin can? Robocop lifted one of those up. Terminator's faster in a straight run, but he's still painfully slow in aiming and punching.

Robocop carries around some grenades that can blast off metal doors at level 3(they go up to level 10) along with anti-tank rockets in his gun arm and a 40 mm cannon. That's just the stuff that's relevant but the point is that Robocop can physically squish Terminator and probably outgun him too.

If Terminator was competent and didn't just walk into every situation without a lick of tact and with horrible aim, he might win by aiming for unarmored parts. But he's not
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Terminator wasn't trying to lift the machine though. It was being squashed from behind (above). That makes a difference, doesn't it?
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I don't see how Robocop would win without all his weapons and equipment like whatever it is that makes him fly(never brought myself to watch past Robocop 2)


Terminator should take it he has dar greater mobility, a bit less durability but mobility should cancel that out.
Although Terminator needs a weapon that would do some damage or it's completely unfair and if Robocop has no weapons it's completely unfair...

How is the T-800 painfully slow? Not remember how quick he wrecked that car in 3?
He's showcased as slow so he can be beaten, namely by the other, superior Terminators.

Also the Terminators aim is pretty fantastic it just had to miss for movie purposes if it shot Kyle in the face instantly what would happen to the rest of the movie :rofl:


What does from Terminator 1 entail though? They're all the same model.
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Dec 31 2014, 11:48 PM
I don't see how Robocop would win without all his weapons and equipment like whatever it is that makes him fly(never brought myself to watch past Robocop 2)


Terminator should take it he has dar greater mobility, a bit less durability but mobility should cancel that out.
Although Terminator needs a weapon that would do some damage or it's completely unfair and if Robocop has no weapons it's completely unfair...

How is the T-800 painfully slow? Not remember how quick he wrecked that car in 3?
He's showcased as slow so he can be beaten, namely by the other, superior Terminators.

Also the Terminators aim is pretty fantastic it just had to miss for movie purposes if it shot Kyle in the face instantly what would happen to the rest of the movie :rofl:


What does from Terminator 1 entail though? They're all the same model.
The Terminator is slow at any kind of precision movement, in a straight line, he's faster, yeah. But Terminator has a horrid tendency to want to move at minimum speed, presumably to help his Stormtrooper aim.

Two things, the T3 Terminator is different (T-850 as opposed to T-800) and we're only using feats and showings from T1. And don't give me the plot reasons excuse, then I can say his being crushed by the hydraulic press was just for plot reasons and Terminator armor can actually survive any blunt impact.
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The Terminator is slow at any kind of precision movement, in a straight line, he's faster, yeah. But Terminator has a horrid tendency to want to move at minimum speed, presumably to help his Stormtrooper aim.

Two things, the T3 Terminator is different (T-850 as opposed to T-800) and we're only using feats and showings from T1. And don't give me the plot reasons excuse, then I can say his being crushed by the hydraulic press was just for plot reasons and Terminator armor can actually survive any blunt impact.
But the plot reason is legit though, the T2 Terminator is exactly the same(when was it said the T3 was 850? Not watched in a while) and it manages to fire however many rounds that mini-gun had without damaging anyone.

Not to mention shooting locks with a shotgun while traveling at speed.


It's accuracy is only bad when it's shooting at human characters who aren't supposed to die just yet so it is plot.

As for moving slow, it's more dramatic if a killer walks around isn't it? Basically every horror movie killer does the same thing, at least supernatural ones anyway. It runs after Kyle and Sarah just fine beyond that it rarely needs to because a vehicle is more efficient.

Also my memory of T1 feats is vague but the OP doesn't specify which Terminator really from Terminator one could mean not the T-X or T-1000.
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Sorry, I've watched the Robocop trilogy a bunch of times and I don't recall him ever lifting a hydraulic press. They both however have the same flawless aim except when plot demands otherwise.

Robocop is far more durable. In Robocop 3 he was hit in the chest with an rpg and only got a dent where as it only takes a shotgun to knock down the Terminator. They're both invincible to fire. Neither of them can run at any special kind of speeds. At least it's never shown. Having said that in Terminator 1 there's a scene where Terminator chases after Kyle and Sarah and leaps onto the front of their car. Apart from that they both walk everywhere.

Now here's where it gets tricky. Terminator in the second film says he is programmed with files relating to certain things such as basic human psychology to make him a better killer. So by that logic is it possible that he is programmed in self defence? And also is Robocop? Because that would mean that one might hold an advantage in close quarter combat. I would guess Terminator since he is programmed to kill and Robocop is a moral crusader programmed to protect.

Neither has weaponry to harm the other. This would almost certainly come down to one defeating the other in hand to hand combat and from the watching the films I guess Terminator.


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If we're counting Terminator 2, we count Terminator 4, where the Terminator took forever to actually kill someone in hand to hand and even then, he botched the job by not leaving him fully dead.

As for Robocop lifting a hydraulic press, no, he lifted a big security door.
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Jan 1 2015, 02:32 AM
If we're counting Terminator 2, we count Terminator 4, where the Terminator took forever to actually kill someone in hand to hand and even then, he botched the job by not leaving him fully dead.

As for Robocop lifting a hydraulic press, no, he lifted a big security door.
That was the prototype, though.

T1
Durability-wise, it took 5 rounds from a 12-gauge shotgun to put it on the floor (no damage). It took another 5 shots to put it down again moments later, and that was from a few feet away. It survived multiple car crashes. Numerous shots from M16s and pistols did cosmetic damage at best. It got run over by a speeding semi-truck and got right back up with no damage, and survived that truck exploding with only minor damage to its leg. It got beat around with a metal pipe by Reese that only managed to move its head around. It got blown to absolute pieces by Reese's bomb, but continued going after Sarah with half a body and one arm with no hand.

The T-800 didn't have any noteworthy destructive feats except for impaling a kid with his arm. The rest was with guns.

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T-800's destructive feats in T2 include smashing the T-1000 into a solid concrete wall and making a huge indent and pushing in a locked steel door with its forearm. It really didn't do anything on its own, like its T1 incarnation.

Durability feats include being thrown off a tanker at high speeds and rolling into a bunch of pipes, tussling with the T-1000 (stated to be a stronger model) in the refinery, having its arm crushed in a gear, amputating that arm and proceeding like nothing happened, getting beat down by the T-1000 with a metal pipe, being hit repeatedly with a giant sliding metal block or whatever it was, and being impaled twice by the metal pipe (the first time the pipe was wrenched side to side for more effect). Admittedly the impaling caused the T-800 to shut down, but it did reboot itself soon after, so I counted it.

For what it's worth, T2 T-800 was able to fire off an entire machine gun from far range and not hit a single person, on purpose. So we know it can actively find targets with its aim and fire appropriately if it chooses to.

@Steve: I believe in T3, it's explained in the RV ride that the Arnold we see there is the T-850 as opposed to the T-800 we saw in the first two films, but I can't be sure and I really don't want to revisit that entry in the series. :blush:
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I haven't watched the movie enough to remember the 850 bit but yeah it is a bit more durable, stronger and faster.

As Pel said this would probably come down to hand to hand combat where the Terminator should excel with Robocop's lack of mobility.
If it get's Robo down it should be able to pull his arms off which would render him useless since he couldn't use a gun.
From then on it'd just be a matter of time before the T-800 takes him to pieces.

Also the Terminator senses "pain" so it wouldn't just stand there getting shot if there was some significant damage whenever it just takes it it's most often small arms, or what to it is small arms fire.


Is there not a scene in Robocop where his titanium plating gets pulled off? In some kind of fight I think. If that can be done it'd be easy for the Terminator to rip it off and smash his insides.
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Dont forget the T-800 could easily detects weakspots as he did with Marcus Wright

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The T-RIP (T-800 prototype in T4) easily ripped a T-600 in half and took three grenade launcher shots with only the living tissue burning off. Even after being drowned in molten metal, which is what melted the T-800 in T2, it got back up and pursed John Connor. Then it got cooled down to the point where it basically froze, and still continued its pursuit after a few moments. It took having its head ripped clean off of its body to stop it, and even then it likely wasn't truly defeated since its CPU was still intact.

Admittedly, the T-RIP displayed more impressive durability feats than the T-800, so perhaps the theory some fans have come up that the T-RIP was based on remnants of the T-850 from T3 holds some weight.

Check this out for more on the 800 series: http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Series_800

I forgot about the ability to mimic voices. That might throw Robocop off if given the opportunity.
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The T-RIP was incompetent as all Hell. He feels the need to piss around the entire time
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