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They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world. Right, Okay. Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen. There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
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- Dec 30 2014, 01:10 AM
1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em. If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress.
No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone.
How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
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It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world. Right, Okay. Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen. There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it? They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this.
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Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world. Right, Okay. Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen. There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
Who else besides the Androids stole energy? - Ssj3vegito96
- Dec 30 2014, 01:10 AM
1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this. So...despite the fact that they have no soul, they can still access this transcendent energy? Forgive me, but I thought that the most logical assumption would be that all living things have ki, which would appear to be the case. But if they don't have a soul or feelings, then they can't have Shouki or Yuuki. If they have Genki but no way of accessing this supposed transcendental realm, wouldn't that mean that Genki just resides in the body, not some other place waiting to be accessed?
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Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world. Right, Okay. Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen. There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
Who else besides the Androids stole energy? - Ssj3vegito96
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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this.
So...despite the fact that they have no soul, they can still access this transcendent energy? Forgive me, but I thought that the most logical assumption would be that all living things have ki, which would appear to be the case. But if they don't have a soul or feelings, then they can't have Shouki or Yuuki. If they have Genki but no way of accessing this supposed transcendental realm, wouldn't that mean that Genki just resides in the body, not some other place waiting to be accessed? Humans had a choice of not giving energy, while plants and such cant because of obvious reasons so goku could just take there energy anytime he wants. Mortals, can actually do things with ki. Akiras statement is that ki is made of spiritual componets, your basiclly saying that your word is above the author. Until he says otherwise, i will continue to believe this statement along with every one in this post.
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Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen. There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
Who else besides the Androids stole energy? - Ssj3vegito96
- Dec 30 2014, 01:10 AM
1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this.
So...despite the fact that they have no soul, they can still access this transcendent energy? Forgive me, but I thought that the most logical assumption would be that all living things have ki, which would appear to be the case. But if they don't have a soul or feelings, then they can't have Shouki or Yuuki. If they have Genki but no way of accessing this supposed transcendental realm, wouldn't that mean that Genki just resides in the body, not some other place waiting to be accessed?
Humans had a choice of not giving energy, while plants and such cant because of obvious reasons so goku could just take there energy anytime he wants. Mortals, can actually do things with ki. Akiras statement is that ki is made of spiritual componets, your basiclly saying that your word is above the author. Until he says otherwise, i will continue to believe this statement along with every one in this post. No, what I'm saying is that if Ki can reside in plants and other non-sentient, soulless things, then Ki is something that resides in the body. Unless the process of Ki transforming from a transcendent form to a physical one is purely involuntary, in which case you run into a load of other problems.
It doesn't even matter anyway. Whenever topics like this come up, I'm going to assume that the two energy types are the same. Why? Well, because it's meant to be a comparison between to series, and taking away one of the integral parts of one of the series is completely unfair.
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Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen. There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
Who else besides the Androids stole energy? - Ssj3vegito96
- Dec 30 2014, 01:10 AM
1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this.
So...despite the fact that they have no soul, they can still access this transcendent energy? Forgive me, but I thought that the most logical assumption would be that all living things have ki, which would appear to be the case. But if they don't have a soul or feelings, then they can't have Shouki or Yuuki. If they have Genki but no way of accessing this supposed transcendental realm, wouldn't that mean that Genki just resides in the body, not some other place waiting to be accessed?
Humans had a choice of not giving energy, while plants and such cant because of obvious reasons so goku could just take there energy anytime he wants. Mortals, can actually do things with ki. Akiras statement is that ki is made of spiritual componets, your basiclly saying that your word is above the author. Until he says otherwise, i will continue to believe this statement along with every one in this post.
No, what I'm saying is that if Ki can reside in plants and other non-sentient, soulless things, then Ki is something that resides in the body. Unless the process of Ki transforming from a transcendent form to a physical one is purely involuntary, in which case you run into a load of other problems. It doesn't even matter anyway. Whenever topics like this come up, I'm going to assume that the two energy types are the same. Why? Well, because it's meant to be a comparison between to series, and taking away one of the integral parts of one of the series is completely unfair. They canb e the same but how there set up canb e diffrent. The naruto powersource can be flowing threw a cerbrual nervous while dbs powersource can be trancendent. Im just saying genjutsu wont work because of the way people in dbs dont have the power flowing threw the nervous system.
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The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen. There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
Who else besides the Androids stole energy? - Ssj3vegito96
- Dec 30 2014, 01:10 AM
1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this.
So...despite the fact that they have no soul, they can still access this transcendent energy? Forgive me, but I thought that the most logical assumption would be that all living things have ki, which would appear to be the case. But if they don't have a soul or feelings, then they can't have Shouki or Yuuki. If they have Genki but no way of accessing this supposed transcendental realm, wouldn't that mean that Genki just resides in the body, not some other place waiting to be accessed?
Humans had a choice of not giving energy, while plants and such cant because of obvious reasons so goku could just take there energy anytime he wants. Mortals, can actually do things with ki. Akiras statement is that ki is made of spiritual componets, your basiclly saying that your word is above the author. Until he says otherwise, i will continue to believe this statement along with every one in this post.
No, what I'm saying is that if Ki can reside in plants and other non-sentient, soulless things, then Ki is something that resides in the body. Unless the process of Ki transforming from a transcendent form to a physical one is purely involuntary, in which case you run into a load of other problems. It doesn't even matter anyway. Whenever topics like this come up, I'm going to assume that the two energy types are the same. Why? Well, because it's meant to be a comparison between to series, and taking away one of the integral parts of one of the series is completely unfair.
They canb e the same but how there set up canb e diffrent. The naruto powersource can be flowing threw a cerbrual nervous while dbs powersource can be trancendent. Im just saying genjutsu wont work because of the way people in dbs dont have the power flowing threw the nervous system. And I'm saying that I'm going to assume that Ki generally works the same way as Chakra and so, as such, DBZ characters are susceptible to Genjutsu.
It's not like Genjutsu is this horrendous auto-win, anyway.
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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.
Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this.
So...despite the fact that they have no soul, they can still access this transcendent energy? Forgive me, but I thought that the most logical assumption would be that all living things have ki, which would appear to be the case. But if they don't have a soul or feelings, then they can't have Shouki or Yuuki. If they have Genki but no way of accessing this supposed transcendental realm, wouldn't that mean that Genki just resides in the body, not some other place waiting to be accessed?
Humans had a choice of not giving energy, while plants and such cant because of obvious reasons so goku could just take there energy anytime he wants. Mortals, can actually do things with ki. Akiras statement is that ki is made of spiritual componets, your basiclly saying that your word is above the author. Until he says otherwise, i will continue to believe this statement along with every one in this post.
No, what I'm saying is that if Ki can reside in plants and other non-sentient, soulless things, then Ki is something that resides in the body. Unless the process of Ki transforming from a transcendent form to a physical one is purely involuntary, in which case you run into a load of other problems. It doesn't even matter anyway. Whenever topics like this come up, I'm going to assume that the two energy types are the same. Why? Well, because it's meant to be a comparison between to series, and taking away one of the integral parts of one of the series is completely unfair.
They canb e the same but how there set up canb e diffrent. The naruto powersource can be flowing threw a cerbrual nervous while dbs powersource can be trancendent. Im just saying genjutsu wont work because of the way people in dbs dont have the power flowing threw the nervous system.
And I'm saying that I'm going to assume that Ki generally works the same way as Chakra and so, as such, DBZ characters are susceptible to Genjutsu. It's not like Genjutsu is this horrendous auto-win, anyway. You believe that and every one believes the actual truth i supose. Anyway im out, i aint gonna waste my time with this nonsence.
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Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion. All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word. Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
If you really want to be specific, it means 'vitality'. But I digress. No, we were shown one character giving ki to another character. That's completely different from forcibly taking it from someone. How do plants, trees and objects/things that don't have souls have ki? They can't access this transcendental place where ki lies, so how do they have it?
They are still life forms, so they can still emit it. They arent rocks, all life forms emit this.
So...despite the fact that they have no soul, they can still access this transcendent energy? Forgive me, but I thought that the most logical assumption would be that all living things have ki, which would appear to be the case. But if they don't have a soul or feelings, then they can't have Shouki or Yuuki. If they have Genki but no way of accessing this supposed transcendental realm, wouldn't that mean that Genki just resides in the body, not some other place waiting to be accessed?
Humans had a choice of not giving energy, while plants and such cant because of obvious reasons so goku could just take there energy anytime he wants. Mortals, can actually do things with ki. Akiras statement is that ki is made of spiritual componets, your basiclly saying that your word is above the author. Until he says otherwise, i will continue to believe this statement along with every one in this post.
No, what I'm saying is that if Ki can reside in plants and other non-sentient, soulless things, then Ki is something that resides in the body. Unless the process of Ki transforming from a transcendent form to a physical one is purely involuntary, in which case you run into a load of other problems. It doesn't even matter anyway. Whenever topics like this come up, I'm going to assume that the two energy types are the same. Why? Well, because it's meant to be a comparison between to series, and taking away one of the integral parts of one of the series is completely unfair.
They canb e the same but how there set up canb e diffrent. The naruto powersource can be flowing threw a cerbrual nervous while dbs powersource can be trancendent. Im just saying genjutsu wont work because of the way people in dbs dont have the power flowing threw the nervous system.
And I'm saying that I'm going to assume that Ki generally works the same way as Chakra and so, as such, DBZ characters are susceptible to Genjutsu. It's not like Genjutsu is this horrendous auto-win, anyway.
You believe that and every one believes the actual truth i supose. Anyway im out, i aint gonna waste my time with this nonsence. Awh, c'mon now, that isn't very nice, is it? I could just as easily say that I'm the only one who believes the actual truth and that everybody else is incorrect. Appealing to the Majority doesn't help your case at all.
Kinda pointless saying that at this point, considering how much time you've already wasted with it.
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One thing I can't remember if people mentioned is that Sasruto also has decent regen on his side so that gives him another hax ability, he'd easily tank beam type moves so long as they don't get a head or heart shot.
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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them
2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
Can that even be taken literally though? They're just saying they can destroy a planet they're not adding "they're that heavy" on to it. Think how many times in anime and whatnot people say "I'm going to crush you!" How often do they literally mean crush? Smash and crush are just words used for dramatic effect I highly doubt people like Goku would be so literal as to say things like that meaning with the weight, since when are DB characters so eloquent  (I'm not sure that word even fits one of those moments where you just have to use a word y'know) Chapter: 401 (DBZ 207), P2.3, P3.1 Piccolo: “It’s a Kamehameha…! Does Goku intend to fire a Kamehameha at full power!?” Kuririn: “H-he won’t fire…! If he fired from that relative position, th-the Earth would be smashed…!”
To me it sounds like he means the earth is actually going to be smashed
Their blasts need to have a lot of force to easily make their way to the planets core
The spirit bomb against frieza was stated to have too much force too and it could squash the planet too
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Force =/= weight though
And still that can hardly be taken as literally meaning weight when are they ever that specific? Plus you could still call an explosion smashing something to bits. Considering half the characters don't seem to have went to school analyzing their words so closely is kind of pointless.
They're words for effect it's never directly stated Ki has any extreme weight. Why would they sometimes refer to the weight of an attack doing the damage and then other times refer to the explosive force?
Plus if Kinhas extreme weight then that must mean people powering up have a lot of weight, so why when they get smashed in to the ground do they not leave massive craters or cause tremors by walking around? If it worked like that Vegito should have been crushing the Earth with every movement, if Goku in DB could achieve such a feat with a blast someone like hundreds of millions of times more powerful would be devastating.
Not to mention Spirit Bomb touches the ground before it hits Kid Bui IIRC and it touches the ground in general, where's the planet crushing impact?
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Force is weight. Well...weight is a specific type of force but whatever
I think maybe the energy ball itself doesn't have much force but when they throw it it's going to hit with a lot force-enough to go through the planet. Well that's what I'm thinking at least
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It has the weight that comes with force yeah but the actual object itself, Spirit Bomb that is clearly doesn't weigh enough to crush a planet and holding it up is no kind of lifting feat as he never directly touches it.
Besides those hit I'm pretty sure the only person to ever touch it is Gohan and it only knocked him over. If it had significant weight I can't see how being pure of heart would negate that it should only negate it detonating(or whatever you call what the first one did)
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