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Sasruto(EONS) Vs DB/DBZ/DBGT
Topic Started: Dec 29 2014, 09:29 AM (5,293 Views)
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How far can a potara fusion of Naruto and Sasuke get? Can the fusion take out Whis or SS4 Gogeta?
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
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Yeah but like I keep saying, Goku has held up Ki as heavier than several times a planet. It won't crush him at all, as long as its an energy type attack.

Past Freeza saga the only way to win is to make them remove their guard via genjutsu.
Where is the weight of that stated? Also Spirit Bomb floats so he doesn't lift it up, same as how Naruto doesn't hold a Bijuudama because it's too damn heavy.

If the weight of Spirit Bomb was any kind of factor Goku handily holding it up should mean Kid Buu could cough it back at him.
So that's a feat of Ki control really as is Naruto's of Chakra control.
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Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
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Yeah but like I keep saying, Goku has held up Ki as heavier than several times a planet. It won't crush him at all, as long as its an energy type attack.

Past Freeza saga the only way to win is to make them remove their guard via genjutsu.
Where is the weight of that stated? Also Spirit Bomb floats so he doesn't lift it up, same as how Naruto doesn't hold a Bijuudama because it's too damn heavy.

If the weight of Spirit Bomb was any kind of factor Goku handily holding it up should mean Kid Buu could cough it back at him.
So that's a feat of Ki control really as is Naruto's of Chakra control.
I think he means holding back blast which goku hasd one multiple times which would crush earth.
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Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
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Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
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Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world.

Right, Okay.

Yeah, okay, that's good.
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Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world.

Right, Okay.

Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
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Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world.

Right, Okay.

Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
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You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world.

Right, Okay.

Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen.
There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.
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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them

2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
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Quoting limited to 10 levels deepinside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
Ki can be converted to God ki showned i bog.
There techqniques in dragonballz that takes peoples ki to nutralize an evil spirit, ex being the spirit bomb in where goku takes everyones energy which purpose is to lock on on ones evil negative energy, thats one of the reasons why gohan bounced back the genki dama as he dosent have evil energy.
Another good ex being the spirit breaker which took out all of janembas bad spirit energy revering him back to the kid.
We already explained why the 3 componets work.
All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world.

Right, Okay.

Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen.
There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.


Who else besides the Androids stole energy?

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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them

2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul


You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.

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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them

2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul
Can that even be taken literally though? They're just saying they can destroy a planet they're not adding "they're that heavy" on to it.

Think how many times in anime and whatnot people say "I'm going to crush you!"
How often do they literally mean crush?

Smash and crush are just words used for dramatic effect I highly doubt people like Goku would be so literal as to say things like that meaning with the weight, since when are DB characters so eloquent :p (I'm not sure that word even fits one of those moments where you just have to use a word y'know)
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All you've shown is that positive ki and negative ki affect each other, not that they'd affect anything else. To say that positive and negative ki is something entirely different from regular ki is pure conjecture; Toriyama hasn't stated or shown anywhere that positive/negative ki is fundamentally different from normal ki, so why should I believe that it's different??
They are diffrent as having negative means how much evil you have in ones soul opposite to positive. In the end ki isnt linked to nerves and flow like blood like chakara, its tracendent energy. Everyone in this topic has agreed with this statement, your the only one saying it might be a sort of "Organic" energy or what ever you want to call it.
It isn't transcendent energy, though. What are the Androids doing? Did Gero create a device that can access wherever this transcendent energy is? Or are the androids just absorbing the ki that's present in their opponent's bodies?
Quite possiby, Remember DB had a world full of genuises. Bulms as a teenager made a device that could track the mystical powers o f the dragonballs, gero is smarter than her by a land slide, itsw uite possible that its the case.
Right, so Gero's capable of creating a device that breaks the wall between this 'spiritual' realm of ki and the physical world.

Right, Okay.

Yeah, okay, that's good.
Bulma was able t make a device that tracked the dragonballs, how is that possible, idk but it happend didnt it.
Yeah, but that's more believable because the Dragonballs were emitting all sorts of energy. In this case, we're talking about literally breaking the barrier between two separate realms. What's more likely? That, or Gero creating a device that absorbs Ki from the body itself?
The dragonballs made by kami soley threw Namekians tribal Magic, Not all sorts of energy were emeting from it. Its an impressive feat for it to happen.
There been crazier feats than tracendent energy absorbtiona and there have been people in the series to steal the energy without the contraptions helping and remember gero was litterally spying on goku during all his battle, looking at one of the old battle with an energy absorber could have helped him to make an artificial variation.


Who else besides the Androids stole energy?

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1. @steve plenty of blasts have been stated to be able to smash the planet. They have insane amounts of force behind them

2. @nagito Toriyama said that the components that make up ki are spiritual powers. You keep saying it has to flow through the nerves like chakra but that contradicts what toriyama implies. You have no proof of it. All we know is that there are three spiritual components. It doesn't have much to do with how emotions work in the brain it has more to do with the soul


You could probably get away with explaining Shouki and Yuuki like that, but Genki is literally 'Life Energy'. Remember, for the Genki Dama, Goku was drawing energy from the planet itself, even from things that didn't have 'souls'. So Ki must reside in the body in some form.

Genki dosent mean living energy, it just means energy. Goku was shown multitudedes of time of energy absorbtion.
All we know is that ki is made of 3 spiriritual componets, Akiras word>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your word.
Akira also dosent care about physics, he just put it to put it, there are multiple things wrong in dragonballs reality, absorbing tracendent energy is 1 of em.
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