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Sasruto(EONS) Vs DB/DBZ/DBGT
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How far can a potara fusion of Naruto and Sasuke get? Can the fusion take out Whis or SS4 Gogeta?
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In fairness, simply having the moniker of a God doesn't mean jacks***. Since the "Gods" of DBZ are always surpassed by mortals. It's not the title that matters, it's what you do with it that counts. All we've seen from Dabura is that he's put under control by Babidi and gets destroyed by Fat Boo. We don't get any glimpses into his psyche or his mental defenses or anything of the sort.
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And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
When he says mind hes talking about mental training, as Ki revolves on things like Tai chi which requires mental training like absolute peace in ones soul or mental barriers.
Nothing you will say will debunk what ki really is, as its stored in ones body and stated to be connected to nothing.
The only onlything that can manipulate the minds of these people are threw physical divices and demonic mages (Note that they broke threw these thing as well, as the Majin seal was overpowered by vegetas will and that Seal s***s on any genjutsu as it had the power to control Dabura,A makaioshin and a God)
He also describes Yuuki as 'bravery' and Shouki as 'being in one's right mind', or 'true character'. So, that means that ki is dependent on one's mental state and their mind, but isn't connected to it in any way?
No, ki isnt connected or flows to ones brain, chakara is, its a simple concept that will stay the same.
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Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
When he says mind hes talking about mental training, as Ki revolves on things like Tai chi which requires mental training like absolute peace in ones soul or mental barriers.
Nothing you will say will debunk what ki really is, as its stored in ones body and stated to be connected to nothing.
The only onlything that can manipulate the minds of these people are threw physical divices and demonic mages (Note that they broke threw these thing as well, as the Majin seal was overpowered by vegetas will and that Seal s***s on any genjutsu as it had the power to control Dabura,A makaioshin and a God)
He also describes Yuuki as 'bravery' and Shouki as 'being in one's right mind', or 'true character'. So, that means that ki is dependent on one's mental state and their mind, but isn't connected to it in any way?
No, ki isnt connected or flows to ones brain, chakara is, its a simple concept that will stay the same.
So, is ki some form of transcendental energy or something? It's meant to be this inner energy, yet it isn't connected to anything
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Way past the rules and all but: Shōki (正気; lit. "Mind") one of the three components of Ki

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Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
When he says mind hes talking about mental training, as Ki revolves on things like Tai chi which requires mental training like absolute peace in ones soul or mental barriers.
Nothing you will say will debunk what ki really is, as its stored in ones body and stated to be connected to nothing.
The only onlything that can manipulate the minds of these people are threw physical divices and demonic mages (Note that they broke threw these thing as well, as the Majin seal was overpowered by vegetas will and that Seal s***s on any genjutsu as it had the power to control Dabura,A makaioshin and a God)
He also describes Yuuki as 'bravery' and Shouki as 'being in one's right mind', or 'true character'. So, that means that ki is dependent on one's mental state and their mind, but isn't connected to it in any way?
No, ki isnt connected or flows to ones brain, chakara is, its a simple concept that will stay the same.
So, is ki some form of transcendental energy or something? It's meant to be this inner energy, yet it isn't connected to anything
Yes, which is one of the reasons why in dbz you can give someone energy from anypart of universe and even spiritual planes like hell or heaven.
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Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
When he says mind hes talking about mental training, as Ki revolves on things like Tai chi which requires mental training like absolute peace in ones soul or mental barriers.
Nothing you will say will debunk what ki really is, as its stored in ones body and stated to be connected to nothing.
The only onlything that can manipulate the minds of these people are threw physical divices and demonic mages (Note that they broke threw these thing as well, as the Majin seal was overpowered by vegetas will and that Seal s***s on any genjutsu as it had the power to control Dabura,A makaioshin and a God)
He also describes Yuuki as 'bravery' and Shouki as 'being in one's right mind', or 'true character'. So, that means that ki is dependent on one's mental state and their mind, but isn't connected to it in any way?
No, ki isnt connected or flows to ones brain, chakara is, its a simple concept that will stay the same.
So, is ki some form of transcendental energy or something? It's meant to be this inner energy, yet it isn't connected to anything
Yes, which is one of the reasons why in dbz you can give someone energy from anypart of universe and even spiritual planes like hell or heaven.
One thing I can't understand is that one's state of mind is literally a component of ki, yet it isn't connected to anything in their body. The same goes for bravery.

In regards to giving Ki, that's just Genki.
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
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No it's not connected to their brain just because he mentions emotions. He's saying it has more to do with the soul. It makes sense but I honestly don't remember an interview where toriyama says it's like a mini sun in a person
When i said that i meant that thats what ki is like, a mini sun made out of those 3 componets, since its stated that ki isnt connected to anythingg, all those componets end up making mystical energy stored in the center of ones body, like a mini sun.
Again, where is it stated that ki isn't connected to anything?
Ki is made up of the componets and is mystical energy, thats all you need to know, unlike chakara which flows like blood.
Well, that doesn't tell me that it's not connected to anything, does it? Do you have a source for Toriyama or any character saying that?
Akira chose to name Dragonballs energy KI, because it litteraly means Spiritual energy. Spiritual energy is the exact same as trancental energy as it isnt connected to any form of nerves or networks, The energy is just there which i why Akira named it Ki, the name says it all.
Actually, ki translates to 'life force', or 'life energy'. It doesn't specify spiritual energy at all and we're given no indication that it somehow changes from a spiritual 'object' to a physical one that can be thrown and cause damage. I mean, the fact that the Androids can absorb ki means that it's present in a person's body so, given that two components find their basis in a person's mind, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Its still spiritual as it can be sensed or transfered to others without contact in anyplace place of the universe or even spiritual realms. Also, evert human in naruto share the same chakara, while ki depends, if your good you have positive ki, if your bad, you have negative ki. Also there are ki that cant be sensed by mortals called God Ki, if it was like chakara they wouldnt have problems sencing bills. Similar to bleach, as aizen cant sence Inchigos FT Form Spiritual pressure because of high that spirit power is.
You're getting into nitpicky details here that don't matter in the long run. Ki exists inside the body. As such, to say that it isn't connected to the source of two of the three components of itself is completely ridiculous. A God's ki is another issue entirely; we're talking about ki in general, not the exceptions.
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