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Sasruto(EONS) Vs DB/DBZ/DBGT
Topic Started: Dec 29 2014, 09:29 AM (5,295 Views)
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How far can a potara fusion of Naruto and Sasuke get? Can the fusion take out Whis or SS4 Gogeta?
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
It'll still work huh? Okay...

Despite both series using different types of energies, genjutsu will still mess with their Ki, even though both are clearly different.
Yup, because for the purposes of actually having a debate, they're treated as the same thing. You can say that they shouldn't all you like, but they are. Otherwise every single debate would be ''this type of energy against that type of energy''.
You can have a debate but that doesn't mean each verse should automatically be equaled to another in energy. You can equalize the fundamentals (strengh, speed, and durability etc) but how can you find the logic to equal these different energies when they're both stated different by the authors?
Thats exactly what i said, makes no sense at all.
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
It'll still work huh? Okay...

Despite both series using different types of energies, genjutsu will still mess with their Ki, even though both are clearly different.
Yup, because for the purposes of actually having a debate, they're treated as the same thing. You can say that they shouldn't all you like, but they are. Otherwise every single debate would be ''this type of energy against that type of energy''.
You can have a debate but that doesn't mean each verse should automatically be equaled to another in energy. You can equalize the fundamentals (strengh, speed, and durability etc) but how can you find the logic to equal these different energies when they're both stated different by the authors?
They're not differentiated significantly enough for us to not equalize them. When you run out of chakra you die. When you run out of ki you die. The specifics are different but the fundamentals are the same. It's a pretty good rule so we don't have to bother with those specifics.

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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
So can DBZ characters or DC comic characters weave and manipulate chakra?
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything. I also stated the exact same thing you said minus energy (As i was going on the top of my head). Its made up of 3 things and stored in ones body oposed to chakara which flows to your brain like blood
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Again, can they weave and manipulate chakra? Even though you answered it, you continue to combine to different energies. Can Goku, Ichigo, Batman, Spiderman, Commander Shepard, Ryu do a Rasengan?
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I only post about the energies both series uses, in all honesty, Narutoverse wouldn't be capable of manipulating DBZ's (or any other non-Naruto related work) characters because of the differences each hold. Now you (the staff may make it seem fair but that isn't the case because no other work (aside from Naruto) have beings messing with their mind using chakra.

Now their physical energy attacks will be more useful in terms of meaning of attacks because they can actually use their chakra to attack, as can any other series use their respective attacks to another.

Frankly, Naruto won't be able to do nothing on a mental plane unless you specifically state that the said characters are fighting on their terms. Otherwise that rule needs to be dropped cause it's bogus.
So, they're not allowed to use Genjutsu because DBZ hasn't shown anything like that? Taking away one of Naruto's advantages because DBZ hasn't shown something like it isn't very fair, is it?
He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
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He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Again, can they weave and manipulate chakra? Even though you answered it, you continue to combine to different energies. Can Goku, Ichigo, Batman, Spiderman, Commander Shepard, Ryu do a Rasengan?
You're missing the entire point. No, they can't. That doesn't matter, though. They're treated as acting fundamentally the same to make it easier to debate. If you want to spend tens of pages debating about whether they're the same or not, fine by me, but it's not like DBZ is at a huge disadvantage either. If a character's smart enough to figure out they're in a Genjutsu, they can easily break it.
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He's not saying they aren't allowed to use genjutsu. He's saying genjutsu won't work because, although ki and chakra are basically the same energy, ki doesn't flow through the body the same way chakra does
How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
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How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
He's saying that they aren't linked in the body like chakra is via nerves.
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How exactly does ki run differently through the body? Regardless, it doesn't even matter if it runs differently; it'll still work. Genjutsu itself has nothing to do with how chakra flows.
Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
When he says mind hes talking about mental training, as Ki revolves on things like Tai chi which requires mental training like absolute peace in ones soul or mental barriers.
Nothing you will say will debunk what ki really is, as its stored in ones body and stated to be connected to nothing.
The only onlything that can manipulate the minds of these people are threw physical divices and demonic mages (Note that they broke threw these thing as well, as the Majin seal was overpowered by vegetas will and that Seal s***s on any genjutsu as it had the power to control Dabura,A makaioshin and a God)
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Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
He's saying that they aren't linked in the body like chakra is via nerves.
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Yes it does if you know anything on how gen jutsu works. Dbz ki is a life force so the ki dosent flow in ones cerebrual nervous system. Every ones chakra flows in ones cerebural nervous system so if they try to get in a genjutsu it will manipulate ones chakara and makes the enemies witness false illusions because of chakaras connection to that nervous system. Though ki and chakara are the "same"in the forum, dbz donth ave there source connected to there cerbural nervous system meaning genjutsu is useless
And you know that it doesn't run through the cerebral nervous system...how? Did Toriyama really go into such detail when he talked about ki in DBZ?
Yes hed id. He said ki is something around the lines as this. Ki is kind of like a lightbulb or mini sun in ones body. If it burns out you die, ki is made up of power courage and mind and isnt connected to anything.
Actually, it's made up of Genki (Life Energy), Yuuki (Bravery/Courage) and Shouki ('Mind'/Right Character). So yes, there is a mental element to it. Hard to see how courage wouldn't somehow link to one's mind either.

@Goku - So we just throw out of the central powers of a series because you don't think it can work? Ki and Chakra aren't too different fundamentally.
Its still stated not be connected to any sort of nervous systen, When he says mind its just depicting mental training, ki is stated not to be connected to anything.
Where are you getting this? Where did he specify that Shouki was to do with mental training and just that?

@Goku - No, but Chakra = Ki in these debates. Even though they're different energy sources, they act that same.
Your still completley ignoring that chakara basiclly flows to your brain connected to multiple chakara networks (one of the basis of the 8 inner gates). Ki is just a mini sun connected to nothing, meaning even though in this forum, the energies are the "same" the way there position and work are diffrent, so that means they wont witness or be affected by genjutsu as dbs powersources arent connected to the cerebrual nervous system.
So, one of the integral parts of ki is Yuuki (Courage/Bravery). Could you tell me what causes emotions? Where exactly in the body do emotions exist?
When he says mind hes talking about mental training, as Ki revolves on things like Tai chi which requires mental training like absolute peace in ones soul or mental barriers.
Nothing you will say will debunk what ki really is, as its stored in ones body and stated to be connected to nothing.
The only onlything that can manipulate the minds of these people are threw physical divices and demonic mages (Note that they broke threw these thing as well, as the Majin seal was overpowered by vegetas will and that Seal s***s on any genjutsu as it had the power to control Dabura,A makaioshin and a God)
He also describes Yuuki as 'bravery' and Shouki as 'being in one's right mind', or 'true character'. So, that means that ki is dependent on one's mental state and their mind, but isn't connected to it in any way?
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