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Sasruto(EONS) Vs DB/DBZ/DBGT
Topic Started: Dec 29 2014, 09:29 AM (5,291 Views)
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How far can a potara fusion of Naruto and Sasuke get? Can the fusion take out Whis or SS4 Gogeta?
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He actually says he's weighed down by it. It's not just magically floating up there.

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@steve no but stopping something that has that much force is

@wolf really? :huh: I don't remember that
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Dec 30 2014, 06:12 PM
He actually says he's weighed down by it. It's not just magically floating up there.
Well it would be silly to assume it has no weight at all.

This is the same Goku that struggled with 40 tons in base while flying, also in base while flying.

So Spirit Bomb = 40 ton range and can crush a planet? Tell me you don't think that makes any sense.
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Dec 30 2014, 09:58 PM
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He actually says he's weighed down by it. It's not just magically floating up there.
Well it would be silly to assume it has no weight at all.

This is the same Goku that struggled with 40 tons in base while flying, also in base while flying.

So Spirit Bomb = 40 ton range and can crush a planet? Tell me you don't think that makes any sense.
Ki strength =/= Physical strength

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The spirit bomb against frieza is stated to probably have so much force it could squash the planet. There are energy blasts much stronger and they're stopped. Idk what the point in twisting this is
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Dec 30 2014, 10:00 PM
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Dec 30 2014, 09:58 PM
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Dec 30 2014, 06:12 PM
He actually says he's weighed down by it. It's not just magically floating up there.
Well it would be silly to assume it has no weight at all.

This is the same Goku that struggled with 40 tons in base while flying, also in base while flying.

So Spirit Bomb = 40 ton range and can crush a planet? Tell me you don't think that makes any sense.
Ki strength =/= Physical strength
So...he wouldn't be able to take the hit of a Bijuudama because he lacks the physical strength to lift one.

The Spirit Bomb isn't held there by physical strength it floats due to Ki control.


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The spirit bomb against frieza is stated to probably have so much force it could squash the planet. There are energy blasts much stronger and they're stopped. Idk what the point in twisting this is


If that were true in a literal sense then...why didn't it? It smashed in to the planet, even if Frieza slowed it down it if it was that heavy it would make a crater way wider than it's own width even just cruising towards Frieza it should have been wrecking the place.
Nevermind the one used on Kid Buu which is much more powerful and by this logic much heavier, it should annihilated half the planet on contact.


Ki isn't as heavy as Chakra in Naruto.
Four Tailed Naruto who made a massive crater with one swing of his arm couldn't even lift a tiny Bijuudama, tiny in comparison to the size of a normal one which Naruto and by extension Sasruto can shoot out in a barrage. Plus RasenShuriDama or whatever you want to call it, which I'm pretty sure is not only bigger but contains dense Wind Chakra to add more weight.
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Dec 30 2014, 06:12 PM
He actually says he's weighed down by it. It's not just magically floating up there.
Well it would be silly to assume it has no weight at all.

This is the same Goku that struggled with 40 tons in base while flying, also in base while flying.

So Spirit Bomb = 40 ton range and can crush a planet? Tell me you don't think that makes any sense.
Ki strength =/= Physical strength
So...he wouldn't be able to take the hit of a Bijuudama because he lacks the physical strength to lift one.

The Spirit Bomb isn't held there by physical strength it floats due to Ki control.


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The spirit bomb against frieza is stated to probably have so much force it could squash the planet. There are energy blasts much stronger and they're stopped. Idk what the point in twisting this is


If that were true in a literal sense then...why didn't it? It smashed in to the planet, even if Frieza slowed it down it if it was that heavy it would make a crater way wider than it's own width even just cruising towards Frieza it should have been wrecking the place.
Nevermind the one used on Kid Buu which is much more powerful and by this logic much heavier, it should annihilated half the planet on contact.


Ki isn't as heavy as Chakra in Naruto.
Four Tailed Naruto who made a massive crater with one swing of his arm couldn't even lift a tiny Bijuudama, tiny in comparison to the size of a normal one which Naruto and by extension Sasruto can shoot out in a barrage. Plus RasenShuriDama or whatever you want to call it, which I'm pretty sure is not only bigger but contains dense Wind Chakra to add more weight.
Substitute your wording of ki control with ki strength. We come to the same conclusion.

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P13.4-6
Goku: “I-I didn’t want to use this Genki-Dama. It will probably have too much force and squash the entire planet…But if I don’t defeat Freeza now, the universe itself will be in trouble…I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull this off right, but I’ve got to do it…You planets close to Namek! Give me just a little bit of your genki…!”

Even other translations say it'll crush the planet.

He wouldn't get crushed by a Bijuudama the same way he didn't get crushed by other blasts that were stated to destroy the planet. Force = mass X acceleration.

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Dec 31 2014, 12:08 AM
Substitute your wording of ki control with ki strength. We come to the same conclusion.

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P13.4-6
Goku: “I-I didn’t want to use this Genki-Dama. It will probably have too much force and squash the entire planet…But if I don’t defeat Freeza now, the universe itself will be in trouble…I don’t know if I’ll be able to pull this off right, but I’ve got to do it…You planets close to Namek! Give me just a little bit of your genki…!”

Even other translations say it'll crush the planet.

He wouldn't get crushed by a Bijuudama the same way he didn't get crushed by other blasts that were stated to destroy the planet. Force = mass X acceleration.
But not literal lifting strength he can hold that there because it's his own technique and that's just how it's worked. If it was relative to any kind of strength then why don't people take control of other attacks all the time? Like that Masenko on Frieza he was still definitely more powerful than Gohan but got pushed back, he couldn't just stop the technique in mid-air with Ki control/strength.

Quote taken from Goku, the well known Physics major of the series?

He means destroy.

Smaller attacks have wrecked planets of course Spirit Bomb would, that's what he was worried about.



Not really because nothing about their speed and force was ever stated to be what causes the destruction they're basically lasers that either burn through stuff or blow stuff up.


Considering every word and detail is being taken seriously here why couldn't Cell effortlessly resist Tien's attacks? Plot isn't an answer, this is the same Tien who got one shotted by whatever Android it was so he's obviously not just that powerful.

Their Ki lets them tank either a portion or all of the damage from the Ki of the Ki attack itself but the actual physical hit they can't tank, which is why physical attacks do any damage at all despite being much weaker than energy beams and such.
Bijuudama would work like a massive wrecking ball even if the explosion wouldn't do anything.
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Since i still haven't replied to the topic as of yet, i believe that Sasruto would reach Namek Vegeta Post Zenkai@Frieza level or so with his haxed abilities and all.
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@steve they've mentioned the force of the blasts plenty of times

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Of course they have force but there's no evidence that they have a massive amount of mass like Bijuudama.

Because just launching high tier attacks would do a devastating amount of damage, that much weight flying through an atmosphere would be insane it wouldn't have to hit the planet to wreck it.
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In my opinion, only the concentrated and focus Ki attacks, have planetary to solar system levels of potential planet hazardous effects. Generic Ki blasts and the bunch are just spontaneous Ki attacks that have no real focus but depending on the gap, a single one of these blast could hurt beings that could survive a planet exploding in their face (Frieza) despite the blast not having no real force behind them from someone like Vegito.
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In my opinion, only the concentrated and focus Ki attacks, have planetary to solar system levels of potential planet hazardous effects. Generic Ki blasts and the bunch are just spontaneous Ki attacks that have no real focus but depending on the gap, a single one of these blast could hurt beings that could survive a planet exploding in their face (Frieza) despite the blast not having no real force behind them from someone like Vegito.
Yes.

The outwardly exploding or "busting" attacks are probably the weaker ones if anything so how much they destroy is irrelevant a concentrated beam is going to do more damage to the dude it actually hits, all that explosive damage from large scale attacks is nothing more than wasted energy, unless it's intended to detonate the planet or whatever the people are on and kill the opponent that way.

I mean if you'd notice the most powerful beams don't explode, Kamehameha against Cell didn't and it went to space so blowing up would have been fine, Final Flash didn't, so far as we know.

A casual basket ball sized blast is probably just the equivalent to multiple punches from the character damage wise, without any capacity to destroy a moon or anything. Same as how Death Beam could never destroy anything big because the nature of the attack is completely different, despite quite clearly being powerful.


So yeah anyone not arguing for the sake of it, Gai beats Dragon Ball right? I wouldn't put him past Saiyan Sage in the 7th Gate, at least not without a decent speed feat all there is from that IIRC is catching Madara off guard with Hirudora.
Or no doesn't he intercept an attack at one point too? Something along those lines. 8th Gate seems like it boosted his speed more than anything else.
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Dec 31 2014, 09:33 PM
Of course they have force but there's no evidence that they have a massive amount of mass like Bijuudama.

Because just launching high tier attacks would do a devastating amount of damage, that much weight flying through an atmosphere would be insane it wouldn't have to hit the planet to wreck it.
I'm not saying all of their blasts have a lot mass. I'm saying they have a lot force after they're launched. And using your bare hands to stop something that has enough force to squash a planet is an impressive feat. Since they can do that, I can't see them having a problem with the mass of a bijuudama. That's all I'm saying
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Dec 31 2014, 09:33 PM
Of course they have force but there's no evidence that they have a massive amount of mass like Bijuudama.

Because just launching high tier attacks would do a devastating amount of damage, that much weight flying through an atmosphere would be insane it wouldn't have to hit the planet to wreck it.
I'm not saying all of their blasts have a lot mass. I'm saying they have a lot force after they're launched. And using your bare hands to stop something that has enough force to squash a planet is an impressive feat. Since they can do that, I can't see them having a problem with the mass of a bijuudama. That's all I'm saying
Bijudamas arent even that power, heck they tanked way worse.
I do agree with your statement about ki based attack having force, i myself thought otherwise i forgot all those statements in the manga.
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