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Old interview shows AT saying Kid Boo is the strongest - is this egit?
Topic Started: Dec 28 2014, 02:37 AM (2,725 Views)
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Dec 28 2014, 04:13 AM

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And last time i checked danergous and stongest are two different
Words with different meanings

We are talking the use of that word within the context of the manga;The villain doesn't become more dangerous with reduction in power..
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Yes ofcourse..when the opponent is as invincible as buu. Was that really hard to think up?
Now tell me why Goku insisted they not fuse when fighting a "stronger" form of Boo.
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Dec 28 2014, 04:13 AM
Oh lawd why

Goku almost is about to cry at the thought of fighting super buu
But is ready to fight kiddy buu

And last time i checked danergous and stongest are two different
Words with different meanings

Its impossible to use the manga to support Kid Boo being stronger because the manga already tells you that Super Boo is stronger. I don't know how someone can look at lines like this:

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Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P8.1
Context: Goku points out that if he and Vegeta aren’t merged, Vegeta will have to return to the afterlife
Vegeta: “Hmph…That’s better than being merged with you…Anyway, there shouldn’t be any need for us to merge anymore, right?”
Goku: “We can’t know that! There’s [no] guarantee that we’ll be able to successfully rescue everyone who got absorbed from here and return Boo to the very first one of all…!”
Note: when Goku finds the good Boo later, he calls him “the very first one of all”, so apparently that’s the form of Boo he means here too.

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”


and then have Goku not only fight Kid Boo directly but stated to be able to defeat him at full power and somehow have Kid Boo stronger than Super Boo? I mean it doesn't work, its impossible. It's literally an impossible contradiction. You can't get any clearer than this. I mean if you want to lower the gap so that its not so massive, I mean...fair enough point I guess. But don't try to claim that something that isn't true because the moment you say Kid Boo is stronger do you know what you need to do?

You need to go up to those first statements I gave up there and change them otherwise you have a contradiction.

But good freaking damn, its like trying to explain evolution or theory to a religious person and your trying to explain that its not about the monkeys its about the common ancestors and they go on about being 2.5x weaker or Goku holding back 50% of his power or just random stuff they pull out.
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What an author intends, even retroactively, does not always make it into the actual publication.

Determining legitimate canon sources becomes far more untenable when we get into discussions of whether or not ex post facto statements are grounds for overriding certain acceptable points.

The moment we start twisting evidence to match these kinds of ideas we are done with rational debate and have entered into the the realm of individual head-canon/fanon.
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People, that is the interviewer saying that, not Akira Toriyama.
It would mean Pure Boo>Gohan Boo and Initial Final Form Freeza>100% Freeza, which both blatantly contradict the manga.
Edited by Gohan Boo, Dec 28 2014, 04:43 AM.
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Dec 28 2014, 04:23 AM
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Yes ofcourse..when the opponent is as invincible as buu. Was that really hard to think up?
Now tell me why Goku insisted they not fuse when fighting a "stronger" form of Boo.

1/it would be repetitively stupid for him to ask a third time.

2/It was made clear they underestimated pure buu.





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Like his latest interviews, if what he says blatantly contradicts the work he put out in his earlier years, something is awry.

That doesn't include Ten being weaker than Krillin.
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1/it would be repetitively stupid for him to ask a third time.
What? He specifically asked Vegeta not to fuse. Well, he didn't ask, he told Kibitoshin that they weren't going to. This indicates that he does not want Vegeta to fuse with him at all. That should be pretty obvious. It's the polar opposite of what he said before.
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2/It was made clear they underestimated pure buu.
Vegeta was the only one who underestimated Pure Boo. Boo's power didn't surprise Goku.
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Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P12.6
Vegeta: “The truth is you were right [that I’d be killed by Boo]. That Boo is stronger than I imagined…And so are you, Kakarot…”


Vegeta's line was an underestimation of Boo.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”


Goku's was an overestimation of his own ability. Only Vegeta underestimated Boo.
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Seriously, if we ll just use our common sense and stop mindlessly reading statements pure buu > evil buu wouldnt be a problem...
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Dec 28 2014, 05:30 AM
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1/it would be repetitively stupid for him to ask a third time.
What? He specifically asked Vegeta not to fuse. Well, he didn't ask, he told Kibitoshin that they weren't going to. This indicates that he does not want Vegeta to fuse with him at all. That should be pretty obvious. It's the polar opposite of what he said before.

Do you have problems comprehending?

I said it would be repetitively stupid or him to ask vegeta a third time after vegeta made it clear the second time he'd rather die than fuse with him again..I dont know where your going with thi part of the argument..


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Dec 28 2014, 06:17 AM
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Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P12.6
Vegeta: “The truth is you were right [that I’d be killed by Boo]. That Boo is stronger than I imagined…And so are you, Kakarot…”


Vegeta's line was an underestimation of Boo.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”


Goku's was an overestimation of his own ability. Only Vegeta underestimated Boo.

The story doesnt need a repetition of the same thought; are you saying vegta cant sense ki as good as goku?

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Was that really hard to think up?


^ Questions like these are completely unnecessary in the debates we have daily on this forum. You can simply drop it and just say your opinion without being condescending.

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Sure let's use common sense. Common sense says look at the statements, statements say Goku can't beat Super Boo but can defeat Kid Boo.

Common sense says Super Boo>Kid Boo.

Well argument again finished, Super Boo is stronger. Although anyone with common sense would've realized that.
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I don't know why this gets argued to this day. Is it because people saw the anime first and want to hold onto the twisted logic that's brought forth in it? Reading the manga makes it clear that Pure Boo is certainly weaker, there's no way to get around it besides bias.
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Dec 28 2014, 04:30 PM
I don't know why this gets argued to this day. Is it because people saw the anime first and want to hold onto the twisted logic that's brought forth in it? Reading the manga makes it clear that Pure Boo is certainly weaker, there's no way to get around it besides bias.
Because Super Saiyan it's not about what the manga thinks, its about what I think. You see, in the end I'm the one who gets to decide what's right or wrong. I don't care what the manga says, I can't decide anything that is right or wrong from the manga. Remember this Super Saiyan because its important. The manga must support my beliefs, not the other way around. My objective is correct and I don't need to prove it, but the manga must be able to prove my beliefs.

If it cannot, than it is wrong and I am perfectly allowed to ignore anything and everything from it as I wish. I am superior to it and anything I say or think is superior to it.



And this is the twisted kind of logic people will use.
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