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SSJ Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) VS Kid Buu
Topic Started: Dec 27 2014, 03:02 PM (2,180 Views)
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SaiyanXjin5
Dec 28 2014, 06:26 PM
@Nagito,
Because he has a planned, Goku doesn't even think Trunks werr worried about that. This is different from Boo Arc. The world was depending on the kids. They only have two days for hope so that's it.

@Emmett,
Goku was trying to be out of Picture, he felt that he shouldn't be the responsibility for this.
Right, so Trunks having this big reaction to Piccolo being told that he wasn't strong enough to do anything was completely ignored? He's just under the assumption that everyone's calm and fine, even though all that he's said is that Cell's stronger than him and he has a 'plan'?

Even if he was lying (it's impossible that he was), like Emmeth said, Piccolo didn't contradict Goku's statement. He didn't say ''Well, he's not as strong as Goku was, but his power is good enough to deal with Boo.''
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Dec 28 2014, 06:26 PM
@Emmett,
Goku was trying to be out of Picture, he felt that he shouldn't be the responsibility for this.
Goku's moral standpoint is 100% irrelevant to what's being discussed here. Pyrus pretty much covered it...

"There's a glitch in the matrix. Piccolo could tell Goku was holding back and was stronger than Boo, and believed Goku when he said he "probably" couldn't have beaten Boo, yet was told that Fusion would definitely get the job done. Doesn't that tell you that Gotenks would need to be stronger than Goku to get the job done in Piccolo's eyes? To Piccolo, despite being the stronger fighter compared to Boo, Goku couldn't have won, but apparently Gotenks would undoubtedly be able to. If Gotenks turned out weaker than Goku, Piccolo should have been worried, not to mention angered by the fact that Goku lied to him. Essentially, if Goku's 10 to Boo's 9 isn't enough, then Gotenks would need to be an 11 or higher, wouldn't he?"

SSJ Gotenks Pre > SSJ3 Goku >= Kid Boo

Not sure how much simpler we can make it. If you can't accept it at this point then you're never going to and thus, there's nothing left to discuss.
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Gotenks is stronger than Goku based on him being smaller and less intimidating, no?
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Goku wasn't using his full power, how can Piccolo judge anything? Piccolo couldn't even tell that Vegeta is stronger than Nappa while Veggie doesn't even know how to supressed his power. From my chain its goes like this

Ssjin3 Goku FP ~ Ssjin Gotenks Post > Ssjin Gotenks Pre >= Ssjin3 Goku Initial
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Dec 29 2014, 07:19 AM
Goku wasn't using his full power, how can Piccolo judge anything? Piccolo couldn't even tell that Vegeta is stronger than Nappa while Veggie doesn't even know how to supressed his power. From my chain its goes like this

Ssjin3 Goku FP ~ Ssjin Gotenks Post > Ssjin Gotenks Pre >= Ssjin3 Goku Initial
The burden is on you to prove one can suppress in a form as badly draining as Super Saiyan 3.

What's with people always discrediting Piccolo in this arc? They don't want to take what he says about Majin Vegeta, Goku, Gotenks, or Boo seriously. He might as well have been a mute and deaf paraplegic with as much value as people place on his statements. I don't think there's one thing he says or does that people don't push off as "gag" or "he doesn't know what he's talking about" except for him facepalming after Base Gotenks was smacked away by Evil Boo (but of course that incident is used because it can be embellished to devalue Gotenks). To answer your red herring, there's a reason Vegeta powered up later on to fight Goku.
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Dec 29 2014, 07:19 AM
Goku wasn't using his full power, how can Piccolo judge anything? Piccolo couldn't even tell that Vegeta is stronger than Nappa while Veggie doesn't even know how to supressed his power. From my chain its goes like this

Ssjin3 Goku FP ~ Ssjin Gotenks Post > Ssjin Gotenks Pre >= Ssjin3 Goku Initial
Reading this post has lowered my IQ.
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I didn't said that Ssjin3 can be supressed, I said that it can hold it back.

He can't even tell the difference between Nappa and Vegeta even though Vegeta can't even supressed himself but can hold back his power.
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That's retarded. Holding back =\= suppressing as you just stated, therefore Goku should be in the same place on your power chain.

Goku holding back = Goku not holding back in terms of ki.
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Dec 29 2014, 07:54 AM
I didn't said that Ssjin3 can be supressed, I said that it can hold it back.

He can't even tell the difference between Nappa and Vegeta even though Vegeta can't even supressed himself but can hold back his power.
Piccolo knew Goku was holding back, hence why he has why Goku didn't try with everything he had. There should be no difference in his power to Piccolo. You said yourself he wasn't suppressing just now.

Should we discount Goku because he couldn't tell how powerful Vegeta was before Vegeta powered up? There is such a thing as a relaxed phase, which would make a lot of sense after Vegeta and Nappa had been in cryogenic sleep for nearly a year.
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What Piccolo sensed of Goku vs Fat Boo was a roughly equal match. The fact that Goku was holding back is completely and utterly irrelevant in this case, because he can gauge Fat Boo's full power (and a little more) from that fight and estimate it up against Gotenks. He never questioned Gotenks' power as a SSJ, so he has to be stronger.

I'm tired of arguing this, so I'm gonna stop here. It's not like this will have an impact on your beliefs anyway.
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Are they equal? Goku tanked the punch from Boo and used him as a punching bag. And don't blame me from starting this argument. And this would be my last post from this thread.
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Dec 29 2014, 01:34 PM
Goku tanked the punch from Boo and used him as a punching bag
That's two situations in the fight. The thing is, Boo comes back from it with his regen ability and proceeds to utterly shock Goku for his ability to replicate techniques by just watching it once. I think Fat Boo was more equal to Goku than you think.
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goku stated gotenks will be stronger than he was, again lets assume he meant that gotenks>ssj3 full power goku against kid buu

this way

Gotenks>Kid buu

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Imagine Goku told Piccolo he said a giant gingerbread cookie would be delivered in 2 days to keep Boo quiet. If that cookie wasn't delivered, do you think Piccolo would've been a little pissed off that his friend lied to him?

I posted a bit late. If it weren't for me being around so long, I would've questioned if people had bootlegs. It sounds like a lot of them had missing panels in their manga. That's in regards to the post about Boo's punch being tanked if it wasn't clear enough.
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