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Ssjin Vegeta Boo Arc Vs Ssjin Kid Gohan
Topic Started: Dec 26 2014, 07:08 PM (469 Views)
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This is Vegeta Pre Majin. According to me

Ssjin Kid Gohan: 120
Ssjin Vegeta Pre: 115

How about yours?
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Kid Gohan: 120
Post-Majin Vegeta: 125
Pre-Majin Vegeta: 105

Vegeta loses here.
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Goku was just barely ahead of Gohan. But Vegeta thinks that gap between him and Goku is massive, that he can never do without the Majin charm.

Yeah, Vegeta loses
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Vegeta was barely ahead from ENRAGED Gohan not calm Gohan. Gohan was calm before Ssjin2.

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I never really bought into the rage thing.

I just thought that when Gohan killed Cell, he was going full power after having his ki lost due to confidence. It was a confidence thing, not a rage thing.
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Goku said "get angry Gohan" instead Gohan turn into Ssjin2 just like in Budokai.
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Dec 26 2014, 08:31 PM
Goku said "get angry Gohan" instead Gohan turn into Ssjin2 just like in Budokai.
What else could he say? Gohan's power was docked, is he going to tell Gohan to be happy or sad?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Vegeta wasn't even 100% sure if he had surpassed adult Gohan despite the fact that he had been training all those 7 years and Gohan had been slacking off. He just said that the gap between them, which had once been massive, was no longer the case. It wasn't until on the plane and much more so that we see Gohan's power at the Budokai where Vegeta's certainty of his superiority became clear.

Goku was only stated to have surpassed Kid Gohan when he used his full power against Majin Vegeta. Yet the small burst from Goku was more than enough for Vegeta to realize he stood no chance against Goku and went out of his way to get Babidi's charm. Add in the fact that Babidi's charm takes a person's potential to beyond their limit as well.

Now some people try to make the claim that, Vegeta only needs a 1.10x or 1.15x gap from him and Goku to warrant the charm. Sure you can go with that. You can go with the fact that not only does Vegeta feel so insecure about himself that he needs this charm, but his potential is apparently so weak, so massively weak that he not only needs the potential boost he needs it (beyond his limitation) just to break that 1.10-1.15x gap people try to claim just to equal Goku. That's pretty damn sad in such a case.

In the end the way I see it as such.

SSJ Goku>SSJ Gohan>SSJ Goku Burst (Hypothetical here obviously)>/>>SSJ Vegeta.

Vegeta was never expecting Goku to have gone as far as he did and through the whole time he never once declares superiority over Kid Gohan until he see's Goku's full power indirectly. The only thing saving Vegeta for me is to hope Gohan's pacifism stops him from twisting the guy's head off and drinking his blood from a straw. I have a relatively large gap between Gohan and Vegeta.

And in the end, no matter how you look at it, this is what was shown. Gohan was at least comparable to someone like Goku and Majin Vegeta. Gohan as a kid didn't get thrown out and was deemed a loss cause. Vegeta however got thrown out with the trash, he wasn't comparable to Goku at all until that Majin boost.
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I Have Them Equals(Enraged Gohan Is Closer to Majin Vegeta)
So By Skill And Amp FF Vegeta Wins,But It Wont Be Easy
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@lazerbeam,
Goku was referring the rage boost. Its the only way to access his full power. Thats the power everyone were referring for. Heck even Gohan himself need the power against Cell instead Ssjin2 from Budokai.

Majin Vegeta: 420
Enraged Ssjin2 Kid Gohan: 400
Ssjin2 Calm Gohan: 360
Ssjin2 Vegeta: 345

@Brofist,

Goku's burst didn't surpass Vegeta. Vegeta knew that it has potential to surpass Kid Gohan.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I'm pretty sure the Burst is what told Vegeta Goku had surpassed him. The more you have Vegeta above the burst, the less sense his actions make. He has no idea how much Goku is holding back and can only take wild guesses. Like he's taking a wild guess that Goku is superior to him and that he knows exactly how much stronger Goku is and that its apparently enough that Vegeta needs to use Babidi.

It's nothing but conjecture there.

However, the lower you have Vegeta from the burst, the more sense it makes because there's no need to question anything. He knows that regardless of whether or not Goku is holding back, Goku is still strong for him so he needs to do something to finally close that gap between them.
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That burst has the potential to surpass Kid Gohan while he haven't surpass him yet it wasn't until he's potential was unlocked. Its like Freeza increase his power to tank Goku's Kaioken 20x kamehameha abf knew that Freeza was holding back. Vegeta predicted it perfectly and it doesn't contradict anything here.
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I would've said the grouch but my guy is telling me to say little kid by a fair amount. Narrative and all that, logic need not apply. Blah blah.
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