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Should Gohan have been angry at Goku?
Topic Started: Dec 23 2014, 12:42 AM (3,165 Views)
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Emmeth
Dec 23 2014, 07:08 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 06:59 PM
@Emmeth - So Goku had no idea about Gohan's thoughts and feelings but knows more about Gohan because...?
He was there for Gohan in his first 4 years.
True, but that didn't help him in the Cell Games, did it? Gohan changed from BoZ to the Cell Games, but Goku was only focused on his strength, not how he developed as a person.
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I think Gohan understood the situation a lot. He grew up in a lifestyle knowing something like that could happen any time.
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Why are people arguing what goku has done wrong as a normal person when thats the opposite of his character? Really, how clear does the manga have to make it for some people to understand, how very strange Goku is?

For the question, putting myself in Gohans place i'd be more upset i got my father killed than him not wanting to come back.... which might eventually cause severe depression, inadvertently this should make goku look even worst as a father. But again thinking this would mean your just ignorant when comes the main character of your fav anime..

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Dec 23 2014, 01:42 AM
Gohan has many very good reasons to resent Goku. Not the least of which was Goku almost guaranteeing his death at Cell's hands.

Gohan was the only person who could stop Cell. Goku didn't condemn Gohan at all. If Gohan didn't fight Cell, then everyone would have died, and then Gohan would have had to fight Cell anyway as he started decimating the universe.
It was either Gohan in danger, or both Gohan and the UNIVERSE in danger.
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Goku could have at least told Gohan about the anger issue.
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Dec 24 2014, 04:35 AM
Why are people arguing what goku has done wrong as a normal person when thats the opposite of his character? Really, how clear does the manga have to make it for some people to understand, how very strange Goku is?

For the question, putting myself in Gohans place i'd be more upset i got my father killed than him not wanting to come back.... which might eventually cause severe depression, inadvertently this should make goku look even worst as a father. But again thinking this would mean your just ignorant when comes the main character of your fav anime..

So, Goku gets a free pass on being an absolute ***hole to his son and wife because he's strange and not normal?
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Goku could have at least told Gohan about the anger issue.

I would think him being forced into fighting would get him angrier than being told to get mean.
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So, Goku gets a free pass on being an absolute ***hole to his son and wife because he's strange and not normal?

I think he gets a pass from being careless (nopt an a*****) because he's saved the world twice so far, and because he had a legit reason for staying behind. And even without that stuff, Goku would have a strange view of growing up since he grew up with no one after his Grandpa died. He was on his own before Gohan ever was.
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Dec 24 2014, 05:40 PM
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Goku could have at least told Gohan about the anger issue.

I would think him being forced into fighting would get him angrier than being told to get mean.
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So, Goku gets a free pass on being an absolute ***hole to his son and wife because he's strange and not normal?

I think he gets a pass from being careless (nopt an a*****) because he's saved the world twice so far, and because he had a legit reason for staying behind. And even without that stuff, Goku would have a strange view of growing up since he grew up with no one after his Grandpa died. He was on his own before Gohan ever was.
Him watching Cell torture Goku and not feeling compelled to go and save him is being careless? If that's part of your plan, then your plan is ridiculous. If Goku expressed to Gohan that he wanted to utilise his anger, then Gohan could've done that. Picturing Freeza or Cell harming his friends would be a good enough trigger, and that would save Gohan from almost being bear-hugged to death. Goku doesn't even consider any other plan and it takes his son's screams and Piccolo to make him realise that 'no, get your head out of your *** and actually look at what's happening.'
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Dec 24 2014, 07:06 AM
Goku could have at least told Gohan about the anger issue.
Well Gohan knew about his anger issue in the Buu saga but he wasn't able to obtain that power he needed to stop Buu. If he told Gohan back then, there's a chance that Gohan would have trouble getting angry, and even then found it tough even as everyone was dying. I mean if he knew then too much pressure would be on him to get angry and it would be tough knowing you can end it all by getting angry but you're mentally refusing to unleash it because of your pure nature.
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Goku could have at least told Gohan about the anger issue.
Well Gohan knew about his anger issue in the Buu saga but he wasn't able to obtain that power he needed to stop Buu. If he told Gohan back then, there's a chance that Gohan would have trouble getting angry, and even then found it tough even as everyone was dying. I mean if he knew then too much pressure would be on him to get angry and it would be tough knowing you can end it all by getting angry but you're mentally refusing to unleash it because of your pure nature.
Regardless, telling Gohan the plan would at least let him know that his father actually cares enough about him to let him in on it. He was able to replicate the emotions necessary for transforming into a Super Saiyan despite not being in the situation that he was thinking of.

He got angry when he was powering up to launch an attack on Boo's ball and ended up opting for escape rather than fighting. After all, the Kamehameha probably took a lot out of him, so getting angry wouldn't bring him up to the level necessary to destroy Boo.
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The problem isn't Goku's plan, it's that he's not troubled by it at all. He's smiling as Cell is killing Gohan and the worst expression he has is just impassiveness
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Gohans resentment should've started when Goku chose to say f you for one year in the anime and 2 in the manga post Namek because he's Goku and can just comeback when he feels like it. He effectively left his wife and kid alone, left Vegeta on the planet as its strongest being despite his up in the air status of good vs evil, and didn't even bother to see Krillin be revived or thank piccolo for taking his kill shot. Hell he never once asked about Bulma who collected the balls to revive him, traveld space, and was alone on a dying planet for a good bit.

But he's Goku I tell ya


For all the stupidity that is Vegeta at times. Fact is he was there for his kid, not the alternate one but his actual one. He was always there. When Buu comes he doesn't say yeah these two kids are more powerful than me, Kakarot, and Gohan ever were so let them fight; he knocked them out and tried to make sure they got away. He never wanted his actual kid to see battle outside a confined tournament; hell we are told he doesn't even subject trunks to training. And we can fast forward to years later where we see at the end we have Goku flying off and saying I don't feel like staying with my family despite he fact I can teleport, while Vegeta has a little princess who goes on to wrap him around her finger.

They are true parallels, the guy who was given friends and family, warmth and love openly and taken in and raised by so many people, yet is so detached from them that he goes off on the next whim vs. the guy who was enslaved as a kid, raised himself basically, and though he hates to admit any type of affection won't let his family go
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That's not to say Vegeta's a good father, remember when he slugged Trunks in the belly?

Still, he is better than Goku
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Dec 24 2014, 07:12 PM
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Dec 24 2014, 07:06 AM
Goku could have at least told Gohan about the anger issue.
Well Gohan knew about his anger issue in the Buu saga but he wasn't able to obtain that power he needed to stop Buu. If he told Gohan back then, there's a chance that Gohan would have trouble getting angry, and even then found it tough even as everyone was dying. I mean if he knew then too much pressure would be on him to get angry and it would be tough knowing you can end it all by getting angry but you're mentally refusing to unleash it because of your pure nature.
Regardless, telling Gohan the plan would at least let him know that his father actually cares enough about him to let him in on it. He was able to replicate the emotions necessary for transforming into a Super Saiyan despite not being in the situation that he was thinking of.

He got angry when he was powering up to launch an attack on Boo's ball and ended up opting for escape rather than fighting. After all, the Kamehameha probably took a lot out of him, so getting angry wouldn't bring him up to the level necessary to destroy Boo.
Gohan first transformed off panel so I don't believe that completely. Probably did but Gohan wasn't looking fatigued to me so I don't buy that either. In any case, if he were to transform before Buu got boosted he was confident that he cream Buu as he was at Cell.

Kblo, Vegeta didn't have a plan to help them get stronger, Goku did. You're right overall though imo.
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Goku knew nothing about two kids who were younger than Gohan was at Cell. Goku popped in for a day and randomly decided the son he never met and a version of Trunks he has never even saw since he was an infant should fight for their life. It was the biggest d*** move he ever pulled. Think about it for a second, Vegeta at his worst knew they weren't and shouldn't have to deal with Buu. Goku decided oh they are strong, so let me hold back vs Buu and put two kindergarten kids at risk without even planning to fight beside him. Piccolo at least planned to fight alongside Gohan, even Krillin did when he got him the guru hax. Goku just promised them to Buu in a battle for it all and then left, reasoning hey I'm not going to be around forever.


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