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Should Gohan have been angry at Goku?
Topic Started: Dec 23 2014, 12:42 AM (3,167 Views)
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Dec 23 2014, 02:12 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:06 PM
Goku only brought trouble once with Raditz, everything after that had nothing to do with him, it would have happened anyway.
Androids and Cell were created because Goku destroyed RRA, so that entire arc was his fault.
If that's Goku's logic, then it's really flawed. Gero would've done that for whoever had destroyed the RRA, so they would've had to fight the Androids anyway. If Goku didn't destroy the RRA, then there would've been a host of other problems.
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Dec 23 2014, 02:18 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:12 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:06 PM
Goku only brought trouble once with Raditz, everything after that had nothing to do with him, it would have happened anyway.
Androids and Cell were created because Goku destroyed RRA, so that entire arc was his fault.
If that's Goku's logic, then it's really flawed. Gero would've done that for whoever had destroyed the RRA, so they would've had to fight the Androids anyway. If Goku didn't destroy the RRA, then there would've been a host of other problems.
Wow, really looking too much into this right now. Just to make Goku look bad. Sorry mate, but that's far-fetched.
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Emmeth
Dec 23 2014, 02:12 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:06 PM
Goku only brought trouble once with Raditz, everything after that had nothing to do with him, it would have happened anyway.
Androids and Cell were created because Goku destroyed RRA, so that entire arc was his fault.
But if he weren't there, the RRA would have gone and conquered the world anyway
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Dec 23 2014, 02:21 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:12 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:06 PM
Goku only brought trouble once with Raditz, everything after that had nothing to do with him, it would have happened anyway.
Androids and Cell were created because Goku destroyed RRA, so that entire arc was his fault.
But if he weren't there, the RRA would have gone and conquered the world anyway
But it wouldn't have been as catastrophic as Gero's androids.
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Emmeth
Dec 23 2014, 02:20 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:18 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:12 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:06 PM
Goku only brought trouble once with Raditz, everything after that had nothing to do with him, it would have happened anyway.
Androids and Cell were created because Goku destroyed RRA, so that entire arc was his fault.
If that's Goku's logic, then it's really flawed. Gero would've done that for whoever had destroyed the RRA, so they would've had to fight the Androids anyway. If Goku didn't destroy the RRA, then there would've been a host of other problems.
Wow, really looking too much into this right now. Just to make Goku look bad. Sorry mate, but that's far-fetched.
Not really. The RRA was a situation that didn't have any good result. It wasn't Goku's fault, so he can't claim reaponsibility for the resulting actions of it.
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Dec 23 2014, 02:23 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:20 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:18 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:12 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:06 PM
Goku only brought trouble once with Raditz, everything after that had nothing to do with him, it would have happened anyway.
Androids and Cell were created because Goku destroyed RRA, so that entire arc was his fault.
If that's Goku's logic, then it's really flawed. Gero would've done that for whoever had destroyed the RRA, so they would've had to fight the Androids anyway. If Goku didn't destroy the RRA, then there would've been a host of other problems.
Wow, really looking too much into this right now. Just to make Goku look bad. Sorry mate, but that's far-fetched.
Not really. The RRA was a situation that didn't have any good result. It wasn't Goku's fault, so he can't claim reaponsibility for the resulting actions of it.
That's not the way it was set up in the manga. That's what counts.
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Yes and no

Gohan should have defeated Cell but toyed around and got his father killed and almost everyone on the planet

But I find it strange Goku never talked with Gohan through King Kai during those 7 years it's not like the dead can't communicate with the living.

Also if Goku never died they z fighters would still beat buu

Supreme kai would have interfered and still give gohan his power up or they would just give them the earings regardless

So this is actually more on Gohan and his incompetence really but Goku is no saint

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Dec 23 2014, 02:26 PM
Gohan should have defeated Cell but toyed around and got his father killed and almost everyone on the planet
I can imagine this. Goku: "I took the fall for the s*** you pulled, now face the concequences of not having a dad. Tough luck, kid!"
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Dec 23 2014, 02:25 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:12 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 02:06 PM
Goku only brought trouble once with Raditz, everything after that had nothing to do with him, it would have happened anyway.
Androids and Cell were created because Goku destroyed RRA, so that entire arc was his fault.
If that's Goku's logic, then it's really flawed. Gero would've done that for whoever had destroyed the RRA, so they would've had to fight the Androids anyway. If Goku didn't destroy the RRA, then there would've been a host of other problems.
Wow, really looking too much into this right now. Just to make Goku look bad. Sorry mate, but that's far-fetched.
Not really. The RRA was a situation that didn't have any good result. It wasn't Goku's fault, so he can't claim reaponsibility for the resulting actions of it.
That's not the way it was set up in the manga. That's what counts.
So, instead of coming back to life and trying to be a little more cautious, he decides to stay dead and leave his pacifist son in charge of defence? Does he not trust himself to not get into some sort of trouble? Makes himself sound like a guy who just can't help himself when it comes to fighting, which is true. Don't get me wrong, I generally like Goku, but his poor decision-making in the Cell Saga really brought him down in my eyes.
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Dec 23 2014, 02:30 PM
So, instead of coming back to life and trying to be a little more cautious, he decides to stay dead and leave his pacifist son in charge of defence? Does he not trust himself to not get into some sort of trouble? Makes himself sound like a guy who just can't help himself when it comes to fighting, which is true. Don't get me wrong, I generally like Goku, but his poor decision-making in the Cell Saga really brought him down in my eyes.
The whole thing was played out because AT wanted the new generation to shine. He didn't want Goku to be the hero anymore, so he decided to let him go. He didn't leave the defense to Gohan alone, he also left it with Piccolo, Vegeta and the rest of the Zet-Senshi. He thought he could trust them to defend Earth, which they would've done if he didn't come back.
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Dec 23 2014, 02:32 PM
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So, instead of coming back to life and trying to be a little more cautious, he decides to stay dead and leave his pacifist son in charge of defence? Does he not trust himself to not get into some sort of trouble? Makes himself sound like a guy who just can't help himself when it comes to fighting, which is true. Don't get me wrong, I generally like Goku, but his poor decision-making in the Cell Saga really brought him down in my eyes.
The whole thing was played out because AT wanted the new generation to shine. He didn't want Goku to be the hero anymore, so he decided to let him go. He didn't leave the defense to Gohan alone, he also left it with Piccolo, Vegeta and the rest of the Zet-Senshi. He thought he could trust them to defend Earth, which they would've done if he didn't come back.
Out-of-Universe, that's fine, but he left Gohan as the strongest fighter and expected him to take up his mantle. Piccolo and Vegeta would be there too, yeah, but the whole scene was a passing of the torch that Gohan didn't want. Goku failed to see Gohan as a son, not understanding him at all. Instead, he saw Gohan as a fighter, to the point where Piccolo (who's honestly a better father) had to grind it into his skull that his son was actually different from him.

@KingKakarrot - Gohan's got some blame, yeah, but it's more justified. He's a little kid who's enraged at a guy who's been torturing him and his friends. Given the context, he's not going to be in his right mind.
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So, instead of coming back to life and trying to be a little more cautious, he decides to stay dead and leave his pacifist son in charge of defence? Does he not trust himself to not get into some sort of trouble? Makes himself sound like a guy who just can't help himself when it comes to fighting, which is true. Don't get me wrong, I generally like Goku, but his poor decision-making in the Cell Saga really brought him down in my eyes.
The whole thing was played out because AT wanted the new generation to shine. He didn't want Goku to be the hero anymore, so he decided to let him go. He didn't leave the defense to Gohan alone, he also left it with Piccolo, Vegeta and the rest of the Zet-Senshi. He thought he could trust them to defend Earth, which they would've done if he didn't come back.
Out-of-Universe, that's fine, but he left Gohan as the strongest fighter and expected him to take up his mantle. Piccolo and Vegeta would be there too, yeah, but the whole scene was a passing of the torch that Gohan didn't want. Goku failed to see Gohan as a son, not understanding him at all. Instead, he saw Gohan as a fighter, to the point where Piccolo (who's honestly a better father) had to grind it into his skull that his son was actually different from him.
You were proved wrong in the Boo arc. Throughout the entire arc Gohan wanted to fight. Maybe Piccolo was wrong...?
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So, instead of coming back to life and trying to be a little more cautious, he decides to stay dead and leave his pacifist son in charge of defence? Does he not trust himself to not get into some sort of trouble? Makes himself sound like a guy who just can't help himself when it comes to fighting, which is true. Don't get me wrong, I generally like Goku, but his poor decision-making in the Cell Saga really brought him down in my eyes.
The whole thing was played out because AT wanted the new generation to shine. He didn't want Goku to be the hero anymore, so he decided to let him go. He didn't leave the defense to Gohan alone, he also left it with Piccolo, Vegeta and the rest of the Zet-Senshi. He thought he could trust them to defend Earth, which they would've done if he didn't come back.
Out-of-Universe, that's fine, but he left Gohan as the strongest fighter and expected him to take up his mantle. Piccolo and Vegeta would be there too, yeah, but the whole scene was a passing of the torch that Gohan didn't want. Goku failed to see Gohan as a son, not understanding him at all. Instead, he saw Gohan as a fighter, to the point where Piccolo (who's honestly a better father) had to grind it into his skull that his son was actually different from him.
You were proved wrong in the Boo arc. Throughout the entire arc Gohan wanted to fight. Maybe Piccolo was wrong...?
Right, I must've just imagined Gohan trying to talk Cell out of fighting. He made it obvious that he didn't want to fight. In the Boo Arc, he was just happy that Goku was back and went along with it. If he actually liked to fight, why wouldn't he have trainrd trained at all during the 7 year gap?
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Dec 23 2014, 02:41 PM
Right, I must've just imagined Gohan trying to talk Cell out of fighting. He made it obvious that he didn't want to fight. In the Boo Arc, he was just happy that Goku was back and went along with it. If he actually liked to fight, why wouldn't he have trainrd trained at all during the 7 year gap?
Two different times. A time where Gohan didn't want to fight and a time where he actually enjoyed it. Don't tell me he just "tagged along" because Goku was there, because if that was the case he wouldn't go through the trouble of getting a superhero costume so he could fight crime.
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Gohan was happy about fighting Super Boo, other than that, not much else. He did fight crime, but they can't really threaten him at all, it's kind of like saving someone's picnic from ants with a can of Raid

And with Super Boo, it's because Gohan has a really bad tendency to power trip whenever he gets much stronger
Edited by lazerbem, Dec 23 2014, 02:45 PM.
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