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| + Emmeth | Dec 21 2014, 10:56 PM Post #16 |
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It's not clear whether Vegeta sensed him or not when he attacked Kibito. It's not necessary to sense your enemy to get a decent reading of them. Maybe he simply didn't take the blast into concideration. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Dec 21 2014, 10:57 PM Post #17 |
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He specifically mentioned 'attacks'. The only attack Dabra used was a ki blast. |
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| + Emmeth | Dec 21 2014, 10:58 PM Post #18 |
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And a ki blast can only be measured by ki sense? |
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| FutureProtagonist | Dec 21 2014, 11:01 PM Post #19 |
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It surely can't be measured by its ability to kill a guy whose power is unknown. |
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| + Emmeth | Dec 21 2014, 11:02 PM Post #20 |
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Movement combined with attack. That's what we saw. He also 'attacked' Krillin and Piccolo by spitting on them. All of these things can be measured without using ki sense. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Dec 21 2014, 11:05 PM Post #21 |
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His ability to turn people to stone with his spit can't be used for Goku's conclusion that he's on par with Cell. Visually, Dabra's attack was nothing impressive, Vegeta had to have been judging its power, something that he can't know unless he can sense or it or unless he was the one attacked. |
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| + Emmeth | Dec 21 2014, 11:06 PM Post #22 |
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Goku's conclusion came after Dabra had been fighting Gohan for a while. He could sense Gohan's power and gauge after what he sensed at the Cell Games. Okay, let's agree to disagree on this subject. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Dec 21 2014, 11:09 PM Post #23 |
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Hmm, no it wasn't. He said it the same time Vegeta commented on his movements and attacks: Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.1-4 Context: after Kaioshin again warns against unleashing Boo Vegeta: “Hmph…The way things are going, this ‘Majin Boo’ guy isn’t going to be anything special, is he? Just like that ‘Dabra’ jerk…[ ] I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something. I can’t call Kibito anything but a bumbler for getting done-in like that…” Kaioshin: “…Is-is that true, Son Goku?...” Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…” |
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| + Emmeth | Dec 21 2014, 11:13 PM Post #24 |
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You're right. I thought that quote was as Gohan was fighting Dabra. Although, I still maintain that these guys are good enough to gauge an enemy's power without sensing. In the end, however, it's unrelated to Kaioshin's power. |
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| SSJ | Dec 21 2014, 11:18 PM Post #25 |
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@Dabra: Vegeta also judged him on his movement, which is not related to ki. @Emmeth: Base Saiyans vs Kaioshin is a part of this thread as it is a Boo Arc PL list. And to counter what you responded to me, Kaioshin seemed to know of Yakon and Dabra prior to Babidi taking them in. They were sensed before. Pocus is up in the air. Edited by SSJ, Dec 21 2014, 11:18 PM.
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| + Emmeth | Dec 21 2014, 11:20 PM Post #26 |
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Dabra, I 100% agree with you. Yakon, I'm not so sure. Kaioshin seems to know him by reputation and doesn't seem to have any prior engagement with the beast. |
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| SSJ | Dec 21 2014, 11:22 PM Post #27 |
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We can bring this back to the 22nd Budokai. King Chappa is basically placed entirely due to reputation, why can that not happen now? Edited by SSJ, Dec 21 2014, 11:22 PM.
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| + Emmeth | Dec 21 2014, 11:25 PM Post #28 |
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I don't feel like that's relevant to the topic at hand. |
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| + Six Trails | Dec 21 2014, 11:54 PM Post #29 |
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Gohan (post Elder Kaioshin ritual) - 96,500,000,000,000* Irrelevant Goku - 2,120,000,000,000* srry :~) |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 22 2014, 12:44 AM Post #30 |
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Cyborg 18 judged Super Saiyan Trunks' blast to be far superior to her, despite not being able to sense ki. As for the list, I'd raise Gogeta's power. He should be able to beat Gotenks-Boo. Edited by Pyrus, Dec 22 2014, 12:46 AM.
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