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Who is the strongest in Street Fighter.
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 07:01 AM (2,742 Views)
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Now off the bat you guys might say Akuma but really look into it.

Gill is stated to be stronger than base Akuma
Supressed Oro (1 arm) stalemated Supressed Base Akuma
Gen (Sick) Survived an encounter with Akuma
Gouken is equal or a bit weaker than Akuma, He was shown to have the Spirit of nothingness (Ryu was abel to turn the tables with Seth with that power)
Urien beat a hesitent Gill
Cody Travers holdsback even with handcuffs and was stated by Shin Oni that if he were to take off the cuffs and go serious hed most likley survive.
Phsyco Drive Bison posed a huged thread to every one at one point...

Who is the the strongest.

If you think Akuma still prevails than compare the SF Cast to the following.
Scenario 1:Base Akuma
Scenario 2 :Shin Akuma
Scenario 3:Oni
Scenario 4:Shin Oni

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Ryu didn't truly beat Bison on his own but used a very small portion of the Satsui no Hado to use his Metsu Shoryuken, Ryu under his own power was doing okay but Bison was toying with him to draw out his hidden power.

Akuma used the Shun Goku Satsui on Bison during SFII, on a much weaker Bison.
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Ryu didn't truly beat Bison on his own but used a very small portion of the Satsui no Hado to use his Metsu Shoryuken, Ryu under his own power was doing okay but Bison was toying with him to draw out his hidden power.

Akuma used the Shun Goku Satsui on Bison during SFII, on a much weaker Bison.
It should be noted that a full influnced Hado ryu is still weaker than Akuma at base. Im just saying that if a parial influnced ryu can do that to bison just imagine akuma.
Also i just read the UDON (Of course knowing it not to be cannon) it still gives us room to think. In SSFNG UDON they had URIEN>A3 Bison, and since urien was depicted to be atleast top 5 in SFIII in really raises the question if he is stronger.
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Urien I believe lost to Ken in 3rd Strike, and he should definitely be inferior to Ryu. And Evil Ryu is not weaker than Akuma, just Shin Akuma. In Street Fighter Alpha 2 I believe, Akuma acknowledges this, I even have the quote:

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After Akuma intentionally let Ryu wins their "bout".
Akuma: "You possess the same power as I. When the 'Evil intent' awakens within you, then you will know. All these past battles will seem like child's play."
Ryu: "W... what?!"

To me this is hinting that if Ryu taps into the Satsui no Hado, his battle with Akuma (holding back and before) will feel like kid games.

I personally don't think Akuma at the time of SFA3 could beat Final Bison one on one unless he went all out aka Shin Akuma.
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Urien I believe lost to Ken in 3rd Strike, and he should definitely be inferior to Ryu. And Evil Ryu is not weaker than Akuma, just Shin Akuma. In Street Fighter Alpha 2 I believe, Akuma acknowledges this, I even have the quote:

Street Fighter Alpha 2

After Akuma intentionally let Ryu wins their "bout".
Akuma: "You possess the same power as I. When the 'Evil intent' awakens within you, then you will know. All these past battles will seem like child's play."
Ryu: "W... what?!"

To me this is hinting that if Ryu taps into the Satsui no Hado, his battle with Akuma (holding back and before) will feel like kid games.

I personally don't think Akuma at the time of SFA3 could beat Final Bison one on one unless he went all out aka Shin Akuma.
Akuma at base is indeed more powerful than any incarnation of ryu. Akuma in 2nd impact can one shot an island. Also from what i remember in alpha, Bison wanted to avoid conflict with Guy so he fleed also i think Capcom always intended for any version of base Akuma>>bison.
One more thing is that base akuma is equal or slightly stronger to both Gouken and gen, i dont see E. Ryu at that level.
Im just saying if A3 Base Ryu beat bison, akuma can do it better, not to mention his win against FP Gotetsu (creator of assasins fist and his and gouken teacker)
Urien lost to Chun li but was heavily supressed and lost on purpose
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Urien I believe lost to Ken in 3rd Strike, and he should definitely be inferior to Ryu. And Evil Ryu is not weaker than Akuma, just Shin Akuma. In Street Fighter Alpha 2 I believe, Akuma acknowledges this, I even have the quote:

Street Fighter Alpha 2

After Akuma intentionally let Ryu wins their "bout".
Akuma: "You possess the same power as I. When the 'Evil intent' awakens within you, then you will know. All these past battles will seem like child's play."
Ryu: "W... what?!"

To me this is hinting that if Ryu taps into the Satsui no Hado, his battle with Akuma (holding back and before) will feel like kid games.

I personally don't think Akuma at the time of SFA3 could beat Final Bison one on one unless he went all out aka Shin Akuma.
Akuma at base is indeed more powerful than any incarnation of ryu. Akuma in 2nd impact can one shot an island. Also from what i remember in alpha, Bison wanted to avoid conflict with Guy so he fleed also i think Capcom always intended for any version of base Akuma>>bison.
One more thing is that base akuma is equal or slightly stronger to both Gouken and gen, i dont see E. Ryu at that level.
Im just saying if A3 Base Ryu beat bison, akuma can do it better, not to mention his win against FP Gotetsu (creator of assasins fist and his and gouken teacker)
Urien lost to Chun li but was heavily supressed and lost on purpose
Bison fled from Guy in SFIV, not Alpha and that wasn't even Bison at his best. And Akuma is weaker than Gouken because Akuma wanted to claim Ryu and bring out his Satsui no Hado power and whomever wins "claims the cub". And as we see in SFIII, Ryu is not even tempted no longer by the Murderous Intent. Yo, did you read the quote from Akuma to Ryu in SFA2? He stated that anyone after he unleashed the Satsui no Hado would be piss weak to him (Akuma I believe wasn't aware of Bison at the time).
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Urien I believe lost to Ken in 3rd Strike, and he should definitely be inferior to Ryu. And Evil Ryu is not weaker than Akuma, just Shin Akuma. In Street Fighter Alpha 2 I believe, Akuma acknowledges this, I even have the quote:

Street Fighter Alpha 2

After Akuma intentionally let Ryu wins their "bout".
Akuma: "You possess the same power as I. When the 'Evil intent' awakens within you, then you will know. All these past battles will seem like child's play."
Ryu: "W... what?!"

To me this is hinting that if Ryu taps into the Satsui no Hado, his battle with Akuma (holding back and before) will feel like kid games.

I personally don't think Akuma at the time of SFA3 could beat Final Bison one on one unless he went all out aka Shin Akuma.
Akuma at base is indeed more powerful than any incarnation of ryu. Akuma in 2nd impact can one shot an island. Also from what i remember in alpha, Bison wanted to avoid conflict with Guy so he fleed also i think Capcom always intended for any version of base Akuma>>bison.
One more thing is that base akuma is equal or slightly stronger to both Gouken and gen, i dont see E. Ryu at that level.
Im just saying if A3 Base Ryu beat bison, akuma can do it better, not to mention his win against FP Gotetsu (creator of assasins fist and his and gouken teacker)
Urien lost to Chun li but was heavily supressed and lost on purpose
Bison fled from Guy in SFIV, not Alpha and that wasn't even Bison at his best. And Akuma is weaker than Gouken because Akuma wanted to claim Ryu and bring out his Satsui no Hado power and whomever wins "claims the cub". And as we see in SFIII, Ryu is not even tempted no longer by the Murderous Intent. Yo, did you read the quote from Akuma to Ryu in SFA2? He stated that anyone after he unleashed the Satsui no Hado would be piss weak to him (Akuma I believe wasn't aware of Bison at the time).
He was aware of bison, in his ending in SFA2 we see him look to the moon and shows a picture of bison. Akuma is stronger than Gouken, he nearly killed him and in there first true bout Gouken barley won, and thiss akuma wasnt fully influnced by the hado yet.
In SFIV i believe Gouken greatly supressed the Hado, him being calm in SFIII is likley Goukens doing.
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Urien I believe lost to Ken in 3rd Strike, and he should definitely be inferior to Ryu. And Evil Ryu is not weaker than Akuma, just Shin Akuma. In Street Fighter Alpha 2 I believe, Akuma acknowledges this, I even have the quote:

Street Fighter Alpha 2

After Akuma intentionally let Ryu wins their "bout".
Akuma: "You possess the same power as I. When the 'Evil intent' awakens within you, then you will know. All these past battles will seem like child's play."
Ryu: "W... what?!"

To me this is hinting that if Ryu taps into the Satsui no Hado, his battle with Akuma (holding back and before) will feel like kid games.

I personally don't think Akuma at the time of SFA3 could beat Final Bison one on one unless he went all out aka Shin Akuma.
Akuma at base is indeed more powerful than any incarnation of ryu. Akuma in 2nd impact can one shot an island. Also from what i remember in alpha, Bison wanted to avoid conflict with Guy so he fleed also i think Capcom always intended for any version of base Akuma>>bison.
One more thing is that base akuma is equal or slightly stronger to both Gouken and gen, i dont see E. Ryu at that level.
Im just saying if A3 Base Ryu beat bison, akuma can do it better, not to mention his win against FP Gotetsu (creator of assasins fist and his and gouken teacker)
Urien lost to Chun li but was heavily supressed and lost on purpose
Bison fled from Guy in SFIV, not Alpha and that wasn't even Bison at his best. And Akuma is weaker than Gouken because Akuma wanted to claim Ryu and bring out his Satsui no Hado power and whomever wins "claims the cub". And as we see in SFIII, Ryu is not even tempted no longer by the Murderous Intent. Yo, did you read the quote from Akuma to Ryu in SFA2? He stated that anyone after he unleashed the Satsui no Hado would be piss weak to him (Akuma I believe wasn't aware of Bison at the time).
He was aware of bison, in his ending in SFA2 we see him look to the moon and shows a picture of bison. Akuma is stronger than Gouken, he nearly killed him and in there first true bout Gouken barley won, and thiss akuma wasnt fully influnced by the hado yet.
In SFIV i believe Gouken greatly supressed the Hado, him being calm in SFIII is likley Goukens doing.
Here's my chain dealing with Akuma yo no biasness.

Akuma (pre SnH) < Gouken << Akuma (SnH) < Goutetsu < Goutetsu (partial SnH) >=</< Shin Akuma

Years later...

Akuma << Gouken

(Reasons being that during their first bout Gouken actually managed to easily defeat him.)

After Ryu and Ken leaves the dojo...

Gouken = Akuma

(Reasons being Gouken only truly "lost" because Akuma mastered the Shun Goku Satsui)

Street Fighter Alpha 2...

Ryu <<< Gen (sick) =< Akuma = Evil Ryu (expected by Akuma)

(Gen wasn't caught by the Shun Goku Satsui and pretty muched matched him until his illness withdrawn their fight)

Note: Also his ending implies that the warriors on the moon are worthy fighters.

Bison and Akuma never battle in canon in Street Fighter Alpha 3 till Street Fighter 2, in which Akuma kills a weaker Bison.

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Urien I believe lost to Ken in 3rd Strike, and he should definitely be inferior to Ryu. And Evil Ryu is not weaker than Akuma, just Shin Akuma. In Street Fighter Alpha 2 I believe, Akuma acknowledges this, I even have the quote:

Street Fighter Alpha 2

After Akuma intentionally let Ryu wins their "bout".
Akuma: "You possess the same power as I. When the 'Evil intent' awakens within you, then you will know. All these past battles will seem like child's play."
Ryu: "W... what?!"

To me this is hinting that if Ryu taps into the Satsui no Hado, his battle with Akuma (holding back and before) will feel like kid games.

I personally don't think Akuma at the time of SFA3 could beat Final Bison one on one unless he went all out aka Shin Akuma.
Akuma at base is indeed more powerful than any incarnation of ryu. Akuma in 2nd impact can one shot an island. Also from what i remember in alpha, Bison wanted to avoid conflict with Guy so he fleed also i think Capcom always intended for any version of base Akuma>>bison.
One more thing is that base akuma is equal or slightly stronger to both Gouken and gen, i dont see E. Ryu at that level.
Im just saying if A3 Base Ryu beat bison, akuma can do it better, not to mention his win against FP Gotetsu (creator of assasins fist and his and gouken teacker)
Urien lost to Chun li but was heavily supressed and lost on purpose
Bison fled from Guy in SFIV, not Alpha and that wasn't even Bison at his best. And Akuma is weaker than Gouken because Akuma wanted to claim Ryu and bring out his Satsui no Hado power and whomever wins "claims the cub". And as we see in SFIII, Ryu is not even tempted no longer by the Murderous Intent. Yo, did you read the quote from Akuma to Ryu in SFA2? He stated that anyone after he unleashed the Satsui no Hado would be piss weak to him (Akuma I believe wasn't aware of Bison at the time).
He was aware of bison, in his ending in SFA2 we see him look to the moon and shows a picture of bison. Akuma is stronger than Gouken, he nearly killed him and in there first true bout Gouken barley won, and thiss akuma wasnt fully influnced by the hado yet.
In SFIV i believe Gouken greatly supressed the Hado, him being calm in SFIII is likley Goukens doing.
Here's my chain dealing with Akuma yo no biasness.

Akuma (pre SnH) < Gouken << Akuma (SnH) < Goutetsu < Goutetsu (partial SnH) >=</< Shin Akuma

Years later...

Akuma << Gouken

(Reasons being that during their first bout Gouken actually managed to easily defeat him.)

After Ryu and Ken leaves the dojo...

Gouken = Akuma

(Reasons being Gouken only truly "lost" because Akuma mastered the Shun Goku Satsui)

Street Fighter Alpha 2...

Ryu <<< Gen (sick) =< Akuma = Evil Ryu (expected by Akuma)

(Gen wasn't caught by the Shun Goku Satsui and pretty muched matched him until his illness withdrawn their fight)

Note: Also his ending implies that the warriors on the moon are worthy fighters.

Bison and Akuma never battle in canon in Street Fighter Alpha 3 till Street Fighter 2, in which Akuma kills a weaker Bison.

I actully agree with most of your statesments. But i always have akuma>E. Ryu due to experiance alone. In Gouken and Akumas first bout, it wasnt an easy win, The only time we see the two battle in media was the UDON which aint cannon, so its questionable and around that time Gouki killed there master, which suprised every one. Yes gouken did win (Low or High difficulty is hard to say), but the seacond bout Gouki straight up oblitirated Gouken.
I still have Alpha Akuma>Alpha Bison, he lost to Alpha Ryu whos weaker than Alpha Gen (sick) whos weaker than Alpha Akuma.
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Urien I believe lost to Ken in 3rd Strike, and he should definitely be inferior to Ryu. And Evil Ryu is not weaker than Akuma, just Shin Akuma. In Street Fighter Alpha 2 I believe, Akuma acknowledges this, I even have the quote:

Street Fighter Alpha 2

After Akuma intentionally let Ryu wins their "bout".
Akuma: "You possess the same power as I. When the 'Evil intent' awakens within you, then you will know. All these past battles will seem like child's play."
Ryu: "W... what?!"

To me this is hinting that if Ryu taps into the Satsui no Hado, his battle with Akuma (holding back and before) will feel like kid games.

I personally don't think Akuma at the time of SFA3 could beat Final Bison one on one unless he went all out aka Shin Akuma.
Akuma at base is indeed more powerful than any incarnation of ryu. Akuma in 2nd impact can one shot an island. Also from what i remember in alpha, Bison wanted to avoid conflict with Guy so he fleed also i think Capcom always intended for any version of base Akuma>>bison.
One more thing is that base akuma is equal or slightly stronger to both Gouken and gen, i dont see E. Ryu at that level.
Im just saying if A3 Base Ryu beat bison, akuma can do it better, not to mention his win against FP Gotetsu (creator of assasins fist and his and gouken teacker)
Urien lost to Chun li but was heavily supressed and lost on purpose
Bison fled from Guy in SFIV, not Alpha and that wasn't even Bison at his best. And Akuma is weaker than Gouken because Akuma wanted to claim Ryu and bring out his Satsui no Hado power and whomever wins "claims the cub". And as we see in SFIII, Ryu is not even tempted no longer by the Murderous Intent. Yo, did you read the quote from Akuma to Ryu in SFA2? He stated that anyone after he unleashed the Satsui no Hado would be piss weak to him (Akuma I believe wasn't aware of Bison at the time).
He was aware of bison, in his ending in SFA2 we see him look to the moon and shows a picture of bison. Akuma is stronger than Gouken, he nearly killed him and in there first true bout Gouken barley won, and thiss akuma wasnt fully influnced by the hado yet.
In SFIV i believe Gouken greatly supressed the Hado, him being calm in SFIII is likley Goukens doing.
Here's my chain dealing with Akuma yo no biasness.

Akuma (pre SnH) < Gouken << Akuma (SnH) < Goutetsu < Goutetsu (partial SnH) >=</< Shin Akuma

Years later...

Akuma << Gouken

(Reasons being that during their first bout Gouken actually managed to easily defeat him.)

After Ryu and Ken leaves the dojo...

Gouken = Akuma

(Reasons being Gouken only truly "lost" because Akuma mastered the Shun Goku Satsui)

Street Fighter Alpha 2...

Ryu <<< Gen (sick) =< Akuma = Evil Ryu (expected by Akuma)

(Gen wasn't caught by the Shun Goku Satsui and pretty muched matched him until his illness withdrawn their fight)

Note: Also his ending implies that the warriors on the moon are worthy fighters.

Bison and Akuma never battle in canon in Street Fighter Alpha 3 till Street Fighter 2, in which Akuma kills a weaker Bison.

I actully agree with most of your statesments. But i always have akuma>E. Ryu due to experiance alone. In Gouken and Akumas first bout, it wasnt an easy win, The only time we see the two battle in media was the UDON which aint cannon, so its questionable and around that time Gouki killed there master, which suprised every one. Yes gouken did win (Low or High difficulty is hard to say), but the seacond bout Gouki straight up oblitirated Gouken.
I still have Alpha Akuma>Alpha Bison, he lost to Alpha Ryu whos weaker than Alpha Gen (sick) whos weaker than Alpha Akuma.
During Street Fighter Alpha 2, as long as you have Evil Ryu somewhere around Akuma, it's fine. Cause we know Akuma ain't going to go through the trouble of unlocking his Satsui no Hado power to easily best him lol.
Oh and yeah I agree, Akuma will seemingly always have an edge over Ryu until possibly his training with Oro.

Well I'll have to do a little digging on Bison and Akuma lol.

Though, Akuma didn't beat Gouken easily, the Shun Goku Satsui is what he used to get the upper hand during their fight, same with Gen and Goutetsu, and even Gill.
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Capcom keeps making the entire point of Evil Ryu is that it's enough where Akuma can use his Shin Akuma power.

Shin Akuma>Evil Ryu>/=Akuma.

I give it to SHin Oni as the strongest however.
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That's right lol, just remembered that. He wants a death battle at both their absolute full potential so Evil Ryu has to surpass Akuma and be around Shin Akuma. Though in my opinion, I think Akuma only surpasses Final Bison with the Shun Goku Satsui circa Street Fighter Alpha 3.

I disagree with that, why don't you view Ingrid as the strongest.
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That's right lol, just remembered that. He wants a death battle at both their absolute full potential so Evil Ryu has to surpass Akuma and be around Shin Akuma. Though in my opinion, I think Akuma only surpasses Final Bison with the Shun Goku Satsui circa Street Fighter Alpha 3.

I disagree with that, why don't you view Ingrid as the strongest.
The udon always had her at a godly level, but it aint cannon.
In A3 max (her only cannon apearence) she was only seen as a superior M.Bison with time travel. Alot of people at that time could kill him and as every one improved from SFA to SFIII, she most likley stayed the same.
Im always going to have Base Akuma>=E.Ryu, hes a island buster now i could imagine Shin State.
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Im always going to have Base Akuma>=E.Ryu, hes a island buster now i could imagine Shin State.
Akuma wants Ryu to go Evil Ryu in order to fight at Shin Akuma. They would be no need to go SHin Akuma if Evil Ryu didn't at least equal normal Akuma.
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Im always going to have Base Akuma>=E.Ryu, hes a island buster now i could imagine Shin State.
Akuma wants Ryu to go Evil Ryu in order to fight at Shin Akuma. They would be no need to go SHin Akuma if Evil Ryu didn't at least equal normal Akuma.
But in SFIII he greatly improved at base state, enough for him to be close to Gill in power and fight evenly with Oro.
E.Ryu dosent have the experiance of the Hado like Akuma, in SFIII Akuma is a monster, Hes probally the only person oro will use 2 hand on.
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But Oro didn't lol. Oro is equal with Akuma going off the implication they hadn't had am a clear winner.
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