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How many times stronger is Ultimate Gohan than SSJ3 Goku?
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 01:46 AM (6,363 Views)
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how minimal are we talking about here?
ofc gotenks got much stronger in the rosat but i dont think it needs to be too big
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Yondaime
Dec 24 2014, 02:51 AM
how minimal are we talking about here?
ofc gotenks got much stronger in the rosat but i dont think it needs to be too big
marginally stronger than his SSJ pre self. So it depends on what type of SSJ multiplier you're running.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Wait a minute, this whole Goku lying scene. Alright the whole "couldn't defeat Boo" was pretty much explained. He wanted the younger generation to take care of the Earth. They failed miserably and he realized that he was a dumb s***.

But are you guys talking about this?

Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!”
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…”
Note: Goku actually never told Boo this (apparently he's gone senile in the afterlife).

Cause even Herms makes note of that and I'm pretty sure this was just a writing issue and that Toriyama didn't actually intend for Goku to "lie" and say something he didn't. The statement here comes off as legitimate and just mistakenly badly written because its not brought up again either. You see when someone lies purposely, it gets brought up later and has a point. Like why did Goku lie to Piccolo about telling Boo something he didn't? This point never gets brought up so again, this statement isn't treated as a lie.

Am I lost or something? Cause I'm not sure what you people are talking about at this point.
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Dec 24 2014, 12:59 AM
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Dec 24 2014, 12:57 AM
If you were taking the story as a whole, you wouldn't have to ask me that question.

Goku lied about being able to beat Fat Buu because he understands that, as a dead person, he has no business in the affairs of the living.
That's wonderful, love the fact that you have to make a character lie in order for your argument to work.
Lie?

Goku states this fact.

EDIT: How many times does Goku state that fusion was a gamble?
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gamble pertaining, to actually learning the technique and maybe time limit
how many times did goku say that fusion would work
just as many ..........
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sekzee
Dec 24 2014, 03:36 AM
Nagito Komaeda
Dec 24 2014, 12:59 AM
sekzee
Dec 24 2014, 12:57 AM
If you were taking the story as a whole, you wouldn't have to ask me that question.

Goku lied about being able to beat Fat Buu because he understands that, as a dead person, he has no business in the affairs of the living.
That's wonderful, love the fact that you have to make a character lie in order for your argument to work.
Lie?

Goku states this fact.

EDIT: How many times does Goku state that fusion was a gamble?
No, the reason he said that he probably couldn't beat Boo is that Boo's ki is a lie; he couldn't tell whether Boo was actively holding back or not. Once he learned that he wasn't (which is after he went back to Otherworld), he confirms that he could beat Boo, as what he saw was the maximum amount of power available to that Boo at that particular time
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The "gamble" Goku mentions is in regard to the boys successfully learning and performing fusion... not the result of that fusion (in which he showed absolute confidence).

Irrelevant Side Note: That argument t0sh brought up earlier... the whole "Genki is 33% of Ki" and "Gohan's energy to the Genki-dama blah blah" is by far the most hilarious "theory" I've seen continue to reappear... and I can't help but giggle each time it does.
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Yondaime
Dec 24 2014, 02:51 AM
how minimal are we talking about here?
ofc gotenks got much stronger in the rosat but i dont think it needs to be too big

Minimal enough to where Goku is catching up and surpassing Gotenks/Gohan in record time. :=]:
sekzee
Dec 24 2014, 03:36 AM
Nagito Komaeda
Dec 24 2014, 12:59 AM
sekzee
Dec 24 2014, 12:57 AM
If you were taking the story as a whole, you wouldn't have to ask me that question.

Goku lied about being able to beat Fat Buu because he understands that, as a dead person, he has no business in the affairs of the living.
That's wonderful, love the fact that you have to make a character lie in order for your argument to work.
Lie?

Goku states this fact.

EDIT: How many times does Goku state that fusion was a gamble?

I believe the first time he makes the remark he's speaking on behalf of such youngsters undertaking the immense crucible of saving the universe. The second time is in regards to learning the task in two days whereas it took him a whole week.
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Dec 24 2014, 04:23 AM
The "gamble" Goku mentions is in regard to the boys successfully learning and performing fusion... not the result of that fusion (in which he showed absolute confidence).

Irrelevant Side Note: That argument t0sh brought up earlier... the whole "Genki is 33% of Ki" and "Gohan's energy to the Genki-dama blah blah" is by far the most hilarious "theory" I've seen continue to reappear... and I can't help but giggle each time it does.
How come it makes you giggle? Because it's true and nobody really understands that?
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Goku pretty much lied about Gotenks being stronger than him and Piccolo wasn't shock about that but he was impressed that its enough to take Fat Boo.
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Lol wow. This is what the Dragonball fandom has come to these days? "Goku lied about Gotenks"

Yep, please go ahead and prove that one.

Da bias is real today.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

How did Goku lie about Gotenks being stronger than him? He lied about he (Goku) being unable to defeat Fat Boo.

Goku states he can't defeat Fat Boo

Goku states Gotenks is stronger than him.

Just becuase the first statement was a lie doesn't mean the second one is.
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Dec 24 2014, 06:52 AM
Goku pretty much lied about Gotenks being stronger than him and Piccolo wasn't shock about that but he was impressed that its enough to take Fat Boo.
How do you figure he wasn't shocked?

And why would he refrain from making mention of this in the future?
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Because that statement wasn't brought up again and it has something to do with Gotenks when he formed as Ssjin. If he really thinks Gotenks is that strong (stronger than Goku) he would have be amazed just like he did to Goku when he transform into Ssjin3. But he didn't but still amazed by his power which should be stronger than Fat Boo very least.
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SaiyanXjin5
Dec 24 2014, 07:03 AM
Because that statement wasn't brought up again and it has something to do with Gotenks when he formed as Ssjin. If he really thinks Gotenks is that strong (stronger than Goku) he would have be amazed just like he did to Goku when he transform into Ssjin3. But he didn't but still amazed by his power which should be stronger than Fat Boo very least.
Huh? You're saying he should've reacted to Super Saiyan Gotenks the same way he did to Super Saiyan 3 Goku?
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If someone is stronger than the previous strongest he would have act like that. Seriously, Goku just lied about that and that statement wasn't for Piccolo it was for Boo.
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