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How many times stronger is Ultimate Gohan than SSJ3 Goku?
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 01:46 AM (6,364 Views)
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Dec 23 2014, 11:49 PM
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Well, the only time Goku actually claims that Gotenks would be stronger than him is a lie since Goku never actually said it. Gotenks can be stronger than Fat Buu all you want, I guess.
What do you mean he never said it? He clearly said it when he was talking to Piccolo. lol
He never told Buu that, so he was lying to Piccolo.
Piccolo didn't know that.
He should've, especially considering that the entire fight was being broadcast around the world.
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sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:02 PM
Well, the only time Goku actually claims that Gotenks would be stronger than him is a lie since Goku never actually said it. Gotenks can be stronger than Fat Buu all you want, I guess.
What do you mean he never said it? He clearly said it when he was talking to Piccolo. lol
He never told Buu that, so he was lying to Piccolo.
Piccolo didn't know that.
He should've, especially considering that the entire fight was being broadcast around the world.
Did you know that Goku's name isn't actually Goku? It's actually Naruto, but he lied to Bulma when they first met and kept the lie going for the rest of his life.

We're still making up scenarios, right? Can't wait to see what comes up next.
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Dec 23 2014, 11:52 PM
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sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:02 PM
Well, the only time Goku actually claims that Gotenks would be stronger than him is a lie since Goku never actually said it. Gotenks can be stronger than Fat Buu all you want, I guess.
What do you mean he never said it? He clearly said it when he was talking to Piccolo. lol
He never told Buu that, so he was lying to Piccolo.
Piccolo didn't know that.
He should've, especially considering that the entire fight was being broadcast around the world.
He didn't say anything to Goku when he should've, and never brought up any lies on Goku's part down the road.
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sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:02 PM
Well, the only time Goku actually claims that Gotenks would be stronger than him is a lie since Goku never actually said it. Gotenks can be stronger than Fat Buu all you want, I guess.
What do you mean he never said it? He clearly said it when he was talking to Piccolo. lol
He never told Buu that, so he was lying to Piccolo.
Piccolo didn't know that.
He should've, especially considering that the entire fight was being broadcast around the world.
Did you know that Goku's name isn't actually Goku? It's actually Naruto, but he lied to Bulma when they first met and kept the lie going for the rest of his life.

We're still making up scenarios, right? Can't wait to see what comes up next.
Gurl, calm your tittums.

I was merely pointing out that the only time Goku claimed a fusion of the boys would be stronger than he is based on something he never actually said.
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Dec 23 2014, 11:49 PM
sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:41 PM
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sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:02 PM
Well, the only time Goku actually claims that Gotenks would be stronger than him is a lie since Goku never actually said it. Gotenks can be stronger than Fat Buu all you want, I guess.
What do you mean he never said it? He clearly said it when he was talking to Piccolo. lol
He never told Buu that, so he was lying to Piccolo.
Piccolo didn't know that.
He should've, especially considering that the entire fight was being broadcast around the world.
Did you know that Goku's name isn't actually Goku? It's actually Naruto, but he lied to Bulma when they first met and kept the lie going for the rest of his life.

We're still making up scenarios, right? Can't wait to see what comes up next.
Gurl, calm your tittums.

I was merely pointing out that the only time Goku claimed a fusion of the boys would be stronger than he is based on something he never actually said.
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”

Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”

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Dec 23 2014, 11:52 PM
Pyrus
Dec 23 2014, 11:49 PM
sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:41 PM
Oskuraz
Dec 23 2014, 11:27 PM
sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:02 PM
Well, the only time Goku actually claims that Gotenks would be stronger than him is a lie since Goku never actually said it. Gotenks can be stronger than Fat Buu all you want, I guess.
What do you mean he never said it? He clearly said it when he was talking to Piccolo. lol
He never told Buu that, so he was lying to Piccolo.
Piccolo didn't know that.
He should've, especially considering that the entire fight was being broadcast around the world.
Did you know that Goku's name isn't actually Goku? It's actually Naruto, but he lied to Bulma when they first met and kept the lie going for the rest of his life.

We're still making up scenarios, right? Can't wait to see what comes up next.
Gurl, calm your tittums.

I was merely pointing out that the only time Goku claimed a fusion of the boys would be stronger than he is based on something he never actually said.
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”

Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”

Boys' fusion > Buu =/= Boys' fusion > Goku.
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Dec 24 2014, 12:38 AM
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Dec 24 2014, 12:05 AM
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Dec 23 2014, 11:54 PM
sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:52 PM
Pyrus
Dec 23 2014, 11:49 PM
sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:41 PM
Oskuraz
Dec 23 2014, 11:27 PM
sekzee
Dec 23 2014, 11:02 PM
Well, the only time Goku actually claims that Gotenks would be stronger than him is a lie since Goku never actually said it. Gotenks can be stronger than Fat Buu all you want, I guess.
What do you mean he never said it? He clearly said it when he was talking to Piccolo. lol
He never told Buu that, so he was lying to Piccolo.
Piccolo didn't know that.
He should've, especially considering that the entire fight was being broadcast around the world.
Did you know that Goku's name isn't actually Goku? It's actually Naruto, but he lied to Bulma when they first met and kept the lie going for the rest of his life.

We're still making up scenarios, right? Can't wait to see what comes up next.
Gurl, calm your tittums.

I was merely pointing out that the only time Goku claimed a fusion of the boys would be stronger than he is based on something he never actually said.
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”

Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”

Boys' fusion > Buu =/= Boys' fusion > Goku.
I was hoping you'd reach the conclusion yourself.

When he considers how strong Boo could have been, Goku states that he probably couldn't have won. Despite this, he expresses full confidence in Gotenks' ability to win.

SSJ Gotenks (Pre) > Fat Boo (Potentially) >~ SSJ3 Goku > Fat Boo
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And then Goku was like...loljk Fat Buu was a joke compared to Kid Buu.

Kid Buu ~> SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu

And how many times did Goku call it a gamble?
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Dec 24 2014, 12:51 AM
And then Goku was like...loljk Fat Buu was a joke compared to Kid Buu.

Kid Buu ~> SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu
Look at the situation as a whole.

Character A says that he probably couldn't have beaten Enemy A
Later on, he concludes that he'd be able to beat Enemy A

Character A says that Character B would definitely be able to defeat Enemy A
Character C doesn't object to this at all, wanting to test Character B's speed, not their power.

What would basic logic tell you? Who's stronger; the character who was initially doubtful of their chances, or the character who's chances were never doubted?
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If you were taking the story as a whole, you wouldn't have to ask me that question.

Goku lied about being able to beat Fat Buu because he understands that, as a dead person, he has no business in the affairs of the living.
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Dec 24 2014, 12:57 AM
If you were taking the story as a whole, you wouldn't have to ask me that question.

Goku lied about being able to beat Fat Buu because he understands that, as a dead person, he has no business in the affairs of the living.
That's wonderful, love the fact that you have to make a character lie in order for your argument to work.
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what's even being argued here?
isnt this all off topic


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Dec 24 2014, 12:57 AM
If you were taking the story as a whole, you wouldn't have to ask me that question.

Goku lied about being able to beat Fat Buu because he understands that, as a dead person, he has no business in the affairs of the living.

I think that regardless of whether Goku ever told Boo what he claimed he said, Piccolo never doubted this. He never questioned Goku's words, nor Gotenks' predicted or shown power. In the end that would support Goku's claim.
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Dec 24 2014, 01:03 AM
what's even being argued here?
isnt this all off topic


In a way it's related.

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in a way but that can be said for a lot of things

is gotenks power in doubt here?
thats kinda ......

piccolo and goku both confirm that he would beat buu just cause it didnt happen doesn't make it untrue
gotenks>fat buu
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Dec 24 2014, 02:35 AM
in a way but that can be said for a lot of things

is gotenks power in doubt here?
thats kinda ......

piccolo and goku both confirm that he would beat buu just cause it didnt happen doesn't make it untrue
gotenks>fat buu
That's affirmative. The issue is Gotenks' transformations aside from Super Saiyan 3 being downplayed or outright ignored in order to follow a belief system based on ignorance and faulty claims that allows for a minimal gap between Goku and Gohan.
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