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Gai (7th Gate) takes on Dragonball
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 12:16 AM (7,636 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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Izanagi!

How far do you think he makes it? Are any of the characters able to withstand his punches?

Considering the nature of his signature attack, Hirudora, I doubt it;

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23rd Goku has what moon lvl durability?

a punch from someone that made a crater into the ground doesn't come close to harming goku

Right now your w***ing the feat sure it's an impressive feat but that feat doesn't come close too planet lvl let alone solar system lvl in which current Goku's durability is right now

Gai may have more AOE when it come's to his physical attacks but like i said before AOE =/= Attack Potency

So no his attack won't be hurting 23rd Goku let alone anyone in DBZ

Let's say Gai's punch is island lvl (it isn't but let's say it is)

His punch would only be around 4300 Megatons

Now 23rd Goku has around moon lvl durability that's 29,722,494,170,000 megatons

So as you can see the difference is quite huge he still doesn't have enough energy needed to harm 23rd Goku let alone Goku's strongest form

Gai has the advantage in AOE but Goku has all the advantage in Attack potency and that's all he needs to win


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* Yu Narukami
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Izanagi!

Since you seem to love numbers so much, could you tell me how much force would be behind a punch from someone who's travelling faster than light?
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Nagito Komaeda
Dec 29 2014, 02:50 AM
Since you seem to love numbers so much, could you tell me how much force would be behind a punch from someone who's travelling faster than light?
You can do it yourself

They have kinetic energy calculators online
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''4.9431535e+18''

Can't make head or tail of that.
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Nagito Komaeda
Dec 29 2014, 03:15 AM
''4.9431535e+18''

Can't make head or tail of that.
I'm assuming that's joules which equals to 4,943,153,500,000,000,000 or 1181.442041109 megatons

Or if it was megatons it would be 4,943,153,500,000,000,000 mt

Which would be above moon busting and into planet lvl

(I hope you're not implying Gai is light speed)
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King Kakarot
Dec 29 2014, 03:38 AM
Nagito Komaeda
Dec 29 2014, 03:15 AM
''4.9431535e+18''

Can't make head or tail of that.
I'm assuming that's joules which equals to 4,943,153,500,000,000,000 or 1181.442041109 megatons

Or if it was megatons it would be 4,943,153,500,000,000,000 mt

Which would be above moon busting and into planet lvl

(I hope you're not implying Gai is light speed)
Well, given that he was fast enough to distort space with just his speed and considering that Madara was reacting to ninjas using instant teleportation, yeah, I am.
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Teleportation is another fancy way of saying that guy is fast

Kid Goku can do the same to a regular human
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King Kakarot
Dec 29 2014, 03:42 AM
Teleportation is another fancy way of saying that guy is fast

Kid Goku can do the same to a regular human
No, he literally uses teleportation. 'Hiraishin' and 'Hiraishingiri'.
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

Is it so hard to believe that just because someone can blow up a mountain doesn't mean they can survive that same attack?

I mean it's well established that when a Ki attack is charged a persons power level rises, being focused in to said attack.

Ki attacks > the Ki used in a persons body during battle.

So when someone of PL 100 busts a moon that in no way means it takes 100 PL to do so a charging an attack goes way above that, meaning PL 200 still wouldn't make them a casual moonbuster or that they can survive such an attack.

Easily explained if you think of their energy as a substance that gets more dense as it is compressed, if it's spread out it's much weaker.
Like a patch of snow, you can stick your fingers through it easily but if you gather it up in to a ball and compress it enough you might even need to take a hammer to it to break it as easily as before.


So when someone's PL is X, that isn't as much as they can put out at all making scaling irrelevant as you need to know the boost they give attacks.


Also if you have to have equal or close to PL to damage them.
Please explain why forces of nature, gravity for instance can cause them pain by the extra weight put on their bodies, a little bit more physical strain causes harm.
Why shouldn't a purely physical attack?
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Dec 29 2014, 02:32 AM
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Dec 29 2014, 12:41 AM
Nobody in dragon ball is stronger than 8th gate gai. 23rd Goku cannot put a several hundred foot hole in the ground with the air current of one causal punch. A casual blast yeah probably but not a punch. If he hits him with a blast then he will probably win. Hand to hand combat gai takes this

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I only took account of the first sentence. Define what you mean by strong. Because in DB, if your Ki is higher than your opponent (Guy) then you're not getting through them despite how impressive it is in Naruto. As I said, Recoome is physically and visually more buffed then Final Form Frieza, but despite that his Ki level is too low for that to mean anything harmful to Frieza because his Ki is augmenting his overall abilities.

Sure 8th Gate Guy can smash pieces of the ground, but you guys are overlooking the fact that he uses these attacks on mountain level durability ninja. We know Goku and most DB cast can tank blasts of this magnitude through statements and scaling via their level Ki.

Read this thread, it will help you understand what we're saying. Ki and physical durability/strength are different. I actually found out later on that this is essentially stated in the manga too with the Z sword training. Although yes, ki does boost your physical strength.
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I don't remember anything hinting at the split durability in the Z sword training. My memory is foggy on it though would you mind giving a quote on it?
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I meant the split between physical strength and ki strength. Not specifically durability (but that would fall in the same category).

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What about the Z sword training suggests a split between physical strength and ki strength?
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Could have swore I read a quote that Gohan claimed the training was increasing his physical strength alone. Guess not.

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Steve
Dec 29 2014, 01:34 AM
Ssj3vegito96
Dec 29 2014, 12:41 AM
Nobody in dragon ball is stronger than 8th gate gai. 23rd Goku cannot put a several hundred foot hole in the ground with the air current of one causal punch. A casual blast yeah probably but not a punch. If he hits him with a blast then he will probably win. Hand to hand combat gai takes this

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Exactly.

Gai's PUNCHES are equal to DB's laser beams, that accounts for nothing?

Look how fast people can punch in DB compared to how fast they set off powerful beams.
Now make their punches as powerful as those beams and you get Gai.

If anyone tried to take him on hand to hand from DB he'd smash them to pieces they have nothing close to his sheer Might(get it) at all.

Course 7th Gate is scaled back a bit but his punches still make massive shockwave/vacuum's that do crazy amounts of damage for simply being a punch.


Picture it like this.
There are two houses to be destroyed, the DB equivalent of destroying their house is to put a bomb in it which does sizeable damage.
Gai's way of doing it is like calling Bruce Lee over to punch the house once and achieve the same effect.

One uses an explosive and one is just a punch, the punch being far more impressive as it does the same damage through sheer strength not in this case hax Ki levels of destruction.
Since when was gai a moon buster think before talking.
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