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Gai (7th Gate) takes on Dragonball
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 12:16 AM (7,638 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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How far do you think he makes it? Are any of the characters able to withstand his punches?

Considering the nature of his signature attack, Hirudora, I doubt it;

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I don't understand how y'all can discuss these matters so sure of your own resolve. Mathematically, it's impossible to prove any of your statements this or that way.
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BioBroly288
Dec 26 2014, 07:26 PM
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Dec 26 2014, 07:11 PM
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Dec 26 2014, 07:02 PM
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Dec 26 2014, 06:42 PM
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Dec 26 2014, 06:17 PM
wolffanghameha
Dec 26 2014, 06:02 PM
No I pasted the real quote above. You're making up your own version of the interview.
How am i making my own version up. He said he put naruto at a much eairlier time period to avoid arsonalss such as guns and explosives how am i making anything up. In this whole argument you guys made up that kirin moved at actual lightning speed,made up that gai moved at speeds that distort space (When in actuality it only happensw he performs Night Gai and i already explained how most of the original DB cast would likley survive it ) and how i proved you guys wrong on the moon being outside earths atmosphere.

But this is what i keep hearing from the opposing side.
1.Gai performs NG
2.Gai performs Daytime Tiger
I already explained how they both wouldnt help as NG wont kill and you cant spam DT as it took gai just as long as kisame to perform as SWS jutsu so even a partially charged KHH would likley overpower DT from roshi.
Suppressed Goku's punch had 'stupendous force' according to Roshi, so the punch is likely going to be stronger than anything he can throw. Even if it wasn't, it would be much, much, muuuuuuu~uuuch stronger than even skilled tournament fighters. Even if Goku was using, say, 1% of his power, do you really think a punch with 100x the force of the one he used on Chi-Chi is going to get anywhere close to what Gai showed with Hirudora, much less Night Elephant?
Evening elephant is short ranged and since 23rd TB Goku has witnessed something that had the same umf if you will to EE (Tribeam) i have no doubt that he can either evade the EE (Any speed prediction to EE is just asumtion as it dosent come closs to NG) or survive it. EE does put alot of strain to ones body as well (Being the 2nd most dangerous Taijutsu of course) and if memory serves me right EE was performed 2-3 before Gai started to nearly pass out from strain. Since 23rd Martial arts goku was able to react and block piccolo Jrs demon wave (More powerful and faster than EE) than he can do the same to EE.
Evening Elephant > Madara (Juubi Jinchuriki) > Madara (Regular) > Hiraishingiri

A guy who is faster than teleportation opted to try and block Evening Elephant instead of dodging it. What does that tell ya? Also, the effect that the Kikoho had on the tournament area is entirely irrelevant because;

1) It wasn't air pressure from a physical attack
2) The attack doesn't have to be fast

Gai didn't pass out; he stopped after the first step when he used it at first, stopped for a few seconds due to the pain, then proceeded to use the technique again with the five steps. Those few seconds of pain wouldn't matter; Goku would be caught by the attack and crushed by the first step. Even if he survived, he's not going to be able to get up and do anything before Gai uses Evening Elephant again
Like i said madara can react to teleportation but isnt faster than it and the teleportations in naruto arent instant like IT or IM. Light speed takes close to a second to "touch" the moon and and roshis khh touched it at around 2 to 3 seconds showing it to be close to light speed. Whaty ou fail to understand is that in DB the stronger you are, the faster you are in all areas and that goes to Ki attacks as well (supressed BOZ Picoolo destroyed the moon faster than roshi with a ki wave).If you think Sage Madara can react to near light speed blast or IT or IM strikes than i dont know what to you.
On the topic of the gun issue a second, would you say that the author's words in an interview trump feats that are previously mentioned/shown in the manga? If that's what you believe, then you'd have to accept the 40 tons feat we're given by Toriyama in the Boo Saga, right?

Roshi being anywhere close to even a tiny fraction of the speed of light doesn't make sense at all. Goku, with a power level of 10, was fighting with Yamcha who, while powerful, is still within human standards when it comes to strength. So, Goku's faster than a regular human being. Heck, let's say he's a little faster than the fastest athlete in the world. He goes from being this barely superhuman speed to being about 1/3 the speed of light by training with Roshi and Krillin for a while? He must've gotten thousands of times stronger then, correct? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, especially considering that people could actually see the ki attacks they were launching.

How is teleportation in Naruto not instant?
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Dec 26 2014, 07:29 PM
How do you prove the moon is 186,000 miles from earth so you can say the blasts were nearing lightspeed
I thought the moon was around 289,000 miles from earth and why wouldnt it be that distance, quite logiclly every animes moons is near that number saying other wise is making things to confusing or looking toi ntoi t. In dbz (in piccolos perspective) the moons looks much like it does in real world perspective
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If moon rubble fell on Krillin and Yamcha's head, then the original distance isn't actually the same as the real world.

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Dec 26 2014, 07:39 PM
If moon rubble fell on Krillin and Yamcha's head, then the original distance isn't actually the same as the real world.
Isnt that most likley humorious or something, When cold was coming to earth the distance between earth and moon was pretty much the same as the one in real life and from kamis quotes from DB he always talks about effortlessly fixing it but not moving it or furthering the distance.
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Whoops my bad the moon is 238k miles from earth
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Dec 26 2014, 08:02 PM
Whoops my bad the moon is 238k miles from earth
Its ii i messed up to i said around 289k
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I'd argue the entire thing is humorous, rather than just that aspect. The scene isn't meant to be taken literally apart from foreshadowing the Oozaru form.

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Dec 26 2014, 08:07 PM
I'd argue the entire thing is humorous, rather than just that aspect. The scene isn't meant to be taken literally apart from foreshadowing the Oozaru form.
Agreed.
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So it's agreed guns have no place in Naruto because they'd be stupid, right?

Why bother with guns when you can fire bolts of lightning, literally make mountains etc.
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Dec 26 2014, 07:06 PM
Biobroly288 what you've pointed out is that db characters have better durability in terms of energy based attacks. Blasts and explosions is where dbz characters shine in destructive power and durability. In terms of physical attacks I'm sorry but they're not as powerful gai till we get into the higher tiers of dbz
This does not compute because we all know they're physical attacks are augmented by their overall Ki. Cell Jrs. have hands the size of 5 year olds yet their punches bring grown adults to their knees. Their Ki is/are effectively keeping all regards of attacks heighten above normal limits and allows them to damage people with absurd durability.

In regards of environment damage, it's shown plenty of time they indeed have these moments, just not as drastic. If what you guys say is true, base Goku at Frieza wouldn't bust an multiple islands, but will only dent the area he's impacted with. What matter is what the person receiving the attack does afterwards (flopping and crashing through these islands). So just because these feats occur rarely doesn't mean they can't do it again.

My bottom line is that their physical attacks are still in the area of Ki attacks.
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Biobroly288 what you've pointed out is that db characters have better durability in terms of energy based attacks. Blasts and explosions is where dbz characters shine in destructive power and durability. In terms of physical attacks I'm sorry but they're not as powerful gai till we get into the higher tiers of dbz
This does not compute because we all know they're physical attacks are augmented by their overall Ki. Cell Jrs. have hands the size of 5 year olds yet their punches bring grown adults to their knees. Their Ki is/are effectively keeping all regards of attacks heighten above normal limits and allows them to damage people with absurd durability.

In regards of environment damage, it's shown plenty of time they indeed have these moments, just not as drastic. If what you guys say is true, base Goku at Frieza wouldn't bust an multiple islands, but will only dent the area he's impacted with. What matter is what the person receiving the attack does afterwards (flopping and crashing through these islands). So just because these feats occur rarely doesn't mean they can't do it again.

My bottom line is that their physical attacks are still in the area of Ki attacks.
It works like that with Cell Jr's because their Ki overpowers the Ki defenses of weaker characters.

Which is why they could manhandle Goku because he'd been brought below their level.


There's no way their physical strength could be purely relative to their Ki strength and have that be controllable to an extent that Cell Jr's wouldn't just kill Yamcha, Krillin and co. They suppress their energy so they don't just "cut" through the figurative Ki shield of the piss weak characters.

The only time there's any evidence of muscle enhancement is when someone changes form, Max Roshi, USSj, Buff Cell etc physical strength increases with Ki only slightly it's muscle mass that increases it.
Or else why would their muscle mass increase at all? Namely by going SSj.

If all their stats were purely Ki related forms with negatives like USSj wouldn't exist because increasing their PL should linearly increase everything, right? If it was linear like that it wouldn't be possible for strength to be raised but not speed, there's no mystical separate speed related Ki that doesn't increase much if at all.
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@Gokudafallen Their ki blasts have enough force behind them to smash planets and goku can push them back. However he can't lift 40 tons and they're pinned down by rubble. This shows that energy based attacks effect them differently.

Their ki strength, attacks, and durability are different and are way beyond their physical attacks, strength, and durability. Therefore we can't use their feats involving ki blasts and their durability towards them to determine how powerful they are in terms of physical abilities.

Now, what we have to go by is environmental damage from physical attacks. Although it is inconsistent, there is ALWAYS emphasis on the new benchmarks that the characters set throughout the series and those are what we have to draw from. None of which suggest moon/planet busting physical strikes till ssj3 goku@beerus

Don't get me wrong, what you say makes sense. This split durability that dbz has is what doesn't make sense actually. This is how it ended up working though. It happens in other works too. Bleach for example did the same thing
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@SteveTheir Ki helps the physical aspect though, if Recoome big buff self punched a Final Form Frieza, do you think Recoome muscle strength is going to dent him despite Frieza is vastly more slimmer? No, because Frieza's Ki is augmenting his body's physical abilities beyond whatever Recoome can muster in a punch in a more stable fashion (as opposed to Trunks' inexperienced USSJ status whereas he's simply pouring Ki into his muscles, thus giving him superb brute strength).

Frieza:
Strength - 5/ with Ki - 9
Speed - 7/ with Ki - 11
Durability - 9/ with Ki - 13

@ SsjVegito96 Tell me this, was Goku able to move freely when he transformed (aka giving himself more Ki)? As you say their pure physical strength isn't all that too high, but once that above human strength is heighten with Ki, that force allows them more power in their muscles which allows them to do more than they ever could alone. And what they destroy with their punches means little since base Goku at Namek, if missed, will only dent the ground, not shatter multiple islands.
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We don't see anything close to what Gai did until the Boo Saga, even with characters using their ki to enhance their physical strength (if that's the case). Did you see how deep of a hole Gai made with his Night Elephant?
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