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Gai (7th Gate) takes on Dragonball
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 12:16 AM (7,640 Views)
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How far do you think he makes it? Are any of the characters able to withstand his punches?

Considering the nature of his signature attack, Hirudora, I doubt it;

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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that.

Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage

They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
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DB is only on another level when it comes to blowing stuff up.

End of story.

In all other categories they fall flat and blowing up stuff is useless since the attacks either wouldn't hit or would do enough AOE damage that they'd kill the user too.


In the 6th Gate Gai punches so fast that his fists ignite through sheer muscle strength, how often has that happened in Dragon Ball?


Gai was demolishing a character who tanked between 9 and like 45 mountain busters in a weaker form, nobody in DB compares to Sage Mode Madara's durability and then he goes a step further with the Bijuu and even with that Gai does fatal damage to him with every hit really, just Madara has hax regen so lives.

And as said he can spam Hirudora as much as he wants because it doesn't use chakra at all it's an air pressure wave.
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that.

Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage

They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

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DB is only on another level when it comes to blowing stuff up.

End of story.

In all other categories they fall flat and blowing up stuff is useless since the attacks either wouldn't hit or would do enough AOE damage that they'd kill the user too.


In the 6th Gate Gai punches so fast that his fists ignite through sheer muscle strength, how often has that happened in Dragon Ball?


Gai was demolishing a character who tanked between 9 and like 45 mountain busters in a weaker form, nobody in DB compares to Sage Mode Madara's durability and then he goes a step further with the Bijuu and even with that Gai does fatal damage to him with every hit really, just Madara has hax regen so lives.

And as said he can spam Hirudora as much as he wants because it doesn't use chakra at all it's an air pressure wave.
Again sorry for double posting but Goku Tanked piccolos blast which can moon bust. So Goku Durability>>Sage Madara
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that.

Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage

They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that.

Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage

They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
Still dosent change the fact that
1.)Gai Isnt that fast now that i have debunked that Space Disruption isnt even his speed but a TaiJutsu
2.)Piccolo Jr and Piccolo SR And Kami will survive as there regenerating capabilities can regrow whole limbs and organs not to mention even with out regenerating there durability is Country-Continent-Moon Level while Jubi Madara with a multi mountain durability nearly died.
3.)Goku in DB tanked Worse he isnt dying and Roshi can just blast a ki blast which will make GAI Want to die faster.Also he isnt faster than teleportation, IT or IM Owns
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Again sorry for double posting but Goku Tanked piccolos blast which can moon bust. So Goku Durability>>Sage Madara
Madara tanked over 40 mountain busters simultaneously in a weaker form than the one Gai fought.

Plus bits of metal can survive nukes.

Metal > DB?

It's just not how it works you don't have to be able to survive an explosion someone can emit to beat them, where do they even get the time to charge it? Naruto characters aren't going to stand there while an attack they can prevent is charged they're not that stupid.


Also it doesn't matter if Gai doesn't distort space in the 7th Gate the fact that a Gate above he does already proves he far surpasses DB in speed.
He can kick so hard that he literally runs on the air in the 8th Gate, no use of chakra or Ki needed.


Please explain how DB characters have the time to charge attacks or could possibly use them in short range.
Gai isn't going to be as far away as the moon is he and he's not going to let his opponent get away his whole fighting style is based around hand to hand combat and the occasional nun-chuck.
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Again sorry for double posting but Goku Tanked piccolos blast which can moon bust. So Goku Durability>>Sage Madara
Madara tanked over 40 mountain busters simultaneously in a weaker form than the one Gai fought.

Plus bits of metal can survive nukes.

Metal > DB?

It's just not how it works you don't have to be able to survive an explosion someone can emit to beat them, where do they even get the time to charge it? Naruto characters aren't going to stand there while an attack they can prevent is charged they're not that stupid.


Also it doesn't matter if Gai doesn't distort space in the 7th Gate the fact that a Gate above he does already proves he far surpasses DB in speed.
He can kick so hard that he literally runs on the air in the 8th Gate, no use of chakra or Ki needed.


Please explain how DB characters have the time to charge attacks or could possibly use them in short range.
Gai isn't going to be as far away as the moon is he and he's not going to let his opponent get away his whole fighting style is based around hand to hand combat and the occasional nun-chuck.
Kid Goku has adapted to Demon Fighting style,Boxing,Crane Style,Rabbit style and turtle style showing how good he can adapt and other fighters (Though not doing it as good as Goku of course) can adapt as well thats how skilled DB Is.

The Move Gai used,The morning Pecock,Ignited Air similar to how bullets ignite air (Bullets are sound speed) meaning Morning Pecock is comparable to bullets (speed wise) and Its been shown that Roshi can catch uzi bullets with out effort and strike faster as well.

Gai only disorts Space when using Night Gai which imobilizes him in the end and than he will die but since DB Has higher durability than Sage Madara than they will also most likley survive.

Daytime Tiger is fast but your acting as if the start up time is right up the a***, Though it dosent require chakara but it took just as long to start up the Super Water Shark Bomb.Roshis KHH Would devour that air pressure.

Also not all Ki blast is crazy charge up time, There are a vairety of ki based attacks,You of all people should know this.


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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that.

Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage

They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
Still dosent change the fact that
1.)Gai Isnt that fast now that i have debunked that Space Disruption isnt even his speed but a TaiJutsu
2.)Piccolo Jr and Piccolo SR And Kami will survive as there regenerating capabilities can regrow whole limbs and organs not to mention even with out regenerating there durability is Country-Continent-Moon Level while Jubi Madara with a multi mountain durability nearly died.
3.)Goku in DB tanked Worse he isnt dying and Roshi can just blast a ki blast which will make GAI Want to die faster.Also he isnt faster than teleportation, IT or IM Owns
No, even though it's the build-up to the technique, it's still Gai's speed. He just gathers chakra to make himself faster.

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Madara, with one eye, manages to counter Tobirama, one of the fastest Shinobi in history, and puts him down, despite Tobirama using Hiraishin, a teleportation technique to get right behind him and instantly throw an attack. He uses it again to escape an attack from Madara and launch a surprise attack from the front immediately, but we can see how that turned out...

Now, let's compare that to his fight with Gai

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Tobirama, one of the fastest ninja in the world, who uses teleportation, teleported behind Madara in an instant and attacked him. Even caught off-guard, Madara dodges this attack and proceeds to lay the hurt on good ol' Tobirama.

Now, against Gai, Madara is the Juubi Jinchuriki, meaning that he's much, muuuuuu~uuch stronger. He gets caught off-guard by Gai's Night Elephant and gets launched unbelievably deep into the ground (a feat we don't see in DBZ until the likes of SSJ3 Gotenks vs. Evil Boo). After recovering from this, thanks to his insane recovery, Madara says that he's going to fight him, so he's on-guard. Gai charges him again and beats the ever-loving **** out of him with blasts of air pressure, not even proper punches. Madara's pinned at this point; he can't move. When he does punch Madara, we see him coughing up blood and try to put up his ultimate defence, though thanks to Kakashi, Minato and Lee, Gai gets through it and hits Madara in the back. Bearing in mind that Madara's been on the defence this whole time and he's still getting his *ss kicked. The shockwave from his Night Gai technique, simply a kick, is astounding. Characters who're standing really far back are blown away by the force it creates. Then we see Madara claim that he thought he was going to die.

Now, when you compare the Teleporter's battle to Gai's battle, which person seems faster?

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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that.

Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage

They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
Still dosent change the fact that
1.)Gai Isnt that fast now that i have debunked that Space Disruption isnt even his speed but a TaiJutsu
2.)Piccolo Jr and Piccolo SR And Kami will survive as there regenerating capabilities can regrow whole limbs and organs not to mention even with out regenerating there durability is Country-Continent-Moon Level while Jubi Madara with a multi mountain durability nearly died.
3.)Goku in DB tanked Worse he isnt dying and Roshi can just blast a ki blast which will make GAI Want to die faster.Also he isnt faster than teleportation, IT or IM Owns
No, even though it's the build-up to the technique, it's still Gai's speed. He just gathers chakra to make himself faster.

Look at this;

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Madara, with one eye, manages to counter Tobirama, one of the fastest Shinobi in history, and puts him down, despite Tobirama using Hiraishin, a teleportation technique to get right behind him and instantly throw an attack. He uses it again to escape an attack from Madara and launch a surprise attack from the front immediately, but we can see how that turned out...

Now, let's compare that to his fight with Gai

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Tobirama, one of the fastest ninja in the world, who uses teleportation, teleported behind Madara in an instant and attacked him. Even caught off-guard, Madara dodges this attack and proceeds to lay the hurt on good ol' Tobirama.

Now, against Gai, Madara is the Juubi Jinchuriki, meaning that he's much, muuuuuu~uuch stronger. He gets caught off-guard by Gai's Night Elephant and gets launched unbelievably deep into the ground (a feat we don't see in DBZ until the likes of SSJ3 Gotenks vs. Evil Boo). After recovering from this, thanks to his insane recovery, Madara says that he's going to fight him, so he's on-guard. Gai charges him again and beats the ever-loving **** out of him with blasts of air pressure, not even proper punches. Madara's pinned at this point; he can't move. When he does punch Madara, we see him coughing up blood and try to put up his ultimate defence, though thanks to Kakashi, Minato and Lee, Gai gets through it and hits Madara in the back. Bearing in mind that Madara's been on the defence this whole time and he's still getting his *ss kicked. The shockwave from his Night Gai technique, simply a kick, is astounding. Characters who're standing really far back are blown away by the force it creates. Then we see Madara claim that he thought he was going to die.

Now, when you compare the Teleporter's battle to Gai's battle, which person seems faster?

your acting as if i never once read the manga.
Tien and Nappa were able to make bottomless abysses as well.
You still have to keep in mind that Night Guy still kills him and since Jubi Madara Regenerative capabilities pales in comparrison to the DB Namekians,DBZ Namekians, Cell and buu not to mention that you fail to see that Madara would die if he got hit with Roshis khh and Mid Level DB Warriors surpass him in Skill,Durability,Strength,power, and speed (Again Superior teleportation techniques like IT and DB Characters react to to them).

This is how it would play out with Gai Vs DB Namekians:
They would either tank Night Gai due to moon level durability or better regenerative abilites than Jubi Madara.Gai would be imobalized Namekian kills.

23rd Martial Arts Goku vs Gai:
Blocked a moon busting attack, which destroyed mountains and cities and was smiling/perfectly fine he is surviving night Gai.

Also your acting as if Jubi Maadara is in High Tier DB Level when he would be there b***.
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They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
Still dosent change the fact that
1.)Gai Isnt that fast now that i have debunked that Space Disruption isnt even his speed but a TaiJutsu
2.)Piccolo Jr and Piccolo SR And Kami will survive as there regenerating capabilities can regrow whole limbs and organs not to mention even with out regenerating there durability is Country-Continent-Moon Level while Jubi Madara with a multi mountain durability nearly died.
3.)Goku in DB tanked Worse he isnt dying and Roshi can just blast a ki blast which will make GAI Want to die faster.Also he isnt faster than teleportation, IT or IM Owns
No, even though it's the build-up to the technique, it's still Gai's speed. He just gathers chakra to make himself faster.

Look at this;

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Madara, with one eye, manages to counter Tobirama, one of the fastest Shinobi in history, and puts him down, despite Tobirama using Hiraishin, a teleportation technique to get right behind him and instantly throw an attack. He uses it again to escape an attack from Madara and launch a surprise attack from the front immediately, but we can see how that turned out...

Now, let's compare that to his fight with Gai

Spoiler: click to toggle


Tobirama, one of the fastest ninja in the world, who uses teleportation, teleported behind Madara in an instant and attacked him. Even caught off-guard, Madara dodges this attack and proceeds to lay the hurt on good ol' Tobirama.

Now, against Gai, Madara is the Juubi Jinchuriki, meaning that he's much, muuuuuu~uuch stronger. He gets caught off-guard by Gai's Night Elephant and gets launched unbelievably deep into the ground (a feat we don't see in DBZ until the likes of SSJ3 Gotenks vs. Evil Boo). After recovering from this, thanks to his insane recovery, Madara says that he's going to fight him, so he's on-guard. Gai charges him again and beats the ever-loving **** out of him with blasts of air pressure, not even proper punches. Madara's pinned at this point; he can't move. When he does punch Madara, we see him coughing up blood and try to put up his ultimate defence, though thanks to Kakashi, Minato and Lee, Gai gets through it and hits Madara in the back. Bearing in mind that Madara's been on the defence this whole time and he's still getting his *ss kicked. The shockwave from his Night Gai technique, simply a kick, is astounding. Characters who're standing really far back are blown away by the force it creates. Then we see Madara claim that he thought he was going to die.

Now, when you compare the Teleporter's battle to Gai's battle, which person seems faster?

your acting as if i never once read the manga.
Tien and Nappa were able to make bottomless abysses as well.
You still have to keep in mind that Night Guy still kills him and since Jubi Madara Regenerative capabilities pales in comparrison to the DB Namekians,DBZ Namekians, Cell and buu not to mention that you fail to see that Madara would die if he got hit with Roshis khh and Mid Level DB Warriors surpass him in Skill,Durability,Strength,power, and speed (Again Superior teleportation techniques like IT and DB Characters react to to them).

This is how it would play out with Gai Vs DB Namekians:
They would either tank Night Gai due to moon level durability or better regenerative abilites than Jubi Madara.Gai would be imobalized Namekian kills.

23rd Martial Arts Goku vs Gai:
Blocked a moon busting attack, which destroyed mountains and cities and was smiling/perfectly fine he is surviving night Gai.

Also your acting as if Jubi Maadara is in High Tier DB Level when he would be there b***.
Several things here

1) How do you know Namekian Regeneration is better? It takes a lot of ki to regenerate just an arm and it's not efficient at all. Madara, on the other hand, simply got back up and, once he'd recovered, acted as though nothing happened. The chakra consumption of his regeneration is so small that it doesn't impact him at all. Also, half of Madara's face was caved in, yet he recovered and regenerated just fine.

2) DB Characters don't react to anything near teleportation speed. The only instance of teleportation we see in DB/Z is Shunkan Ido. All other techniques are just illusions based on speed, like the afterimage.

3) Even if characters would surpass him in durability, his regeneration negates that advantage entirely. Plus, he's much more skilled than anyone in DB. He's got decades of experience and an almost endless list of jutsu at his disposal.

You can throw about 'Moon-level durability' all you want, it's not some auto-win phrase. We don't see physical feats like Gai's until the Boo Saga, even though characters get thrown around and knocked down all the time. What does that tell you? The enormous crater he made was from one burst of air pressure. Not even a punch; air pressure. As in, he punches so quickly that the force he created did that to the ground. What did a suppressed Goku do? Knocked Chi-Chi out of the ring with a punch and a blast of air pressure that Roshi described as 'stupendous'.

Gai's Night Elephant >>>>~> Anything DB characters can do.
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If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.

Fighter B >~ Fighter A

Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
Still dosent change the fact that
1.)Gai Isnt that fast now that i have debunked that Space Disruption isnt even his speed but a TaiJutsu
2.)Piccolo Jr and Piccolo SR And Kami will survive as there regenerating capabilities can regrow whole limbs and organs not to mention even with out regenerating there durability is Country-Continent-Moon Level while Jubi Madara with a multi mountain durability nearly died.
3.)Goku in DB tanked Worse he isnt dying and Roshi can just blast a ki blast which will make GAI Want to die faster.Also he isnt faster than teleportation, IT or IM Owns
No, even though it's the build-up to the technique, it's still Gai's speed. He just gathers chakra to make himself faster.

Look at this;

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Madara, with one eye, manages to counter Tobirama, one of the fastest Shinobi in history, and puts him down, despite Tobirama using Hiraishin, a teleportation technique to get right behind him and instantly throw an attack. He uses it again to escape an attack from Madara and launch a surprise attack from the front immediately, but we can see how that turned out...

Now, let's compare that to his fight with Gai

Spoiler: click to toggle


Tobirama, one of the fastest ninja in the world, who uses teleportation, teleported behind Madara in an instant and attacked him. Even caught off-guard, Madara dodges this attack and proceeds to lay the hurt on good ol' Tobirama.

Now, against Gai, Madara is the Juubi Jinchuriki, meaning that he's much, muuuuuu~uuch stronger. He gets caught off-guard by Gai's Night Elephant and gets launched unbelievably deep into the ground (a feat we don't see in DBZ until the likes of SSJ3 Gotenks vs. Evil Boo). After recovering from this, thanks to his insane recovery, Madara says that he's going to fight him, so he's on-guard. Gai charges him again and beats the ever-loving **** out of him with blasts of air pressure, not even proper punches. Madara's pinned at this point; he can't move. When he does punch Madara, we see him coughing up blood and try to put up his ultimate defence, though thanks to Kakashi, Minato and Lee, Gai gets through it and hits Madara in the back. Bearing in mind that Madara's been on the defence this whole time and he's still getting his *ss kicked. The shockwave from his Night Gai technique, simply a kick, is astounding. Characters who're standing really far back are blown away by the force it creates. Then we see Madara claim that he thought he was going to die.

Now, when you compare the Teleporter's battle to Gai's battle, which person seems faster?

your acting as if i never once read the manga.
Tien and Nappa were able to make bottomless abysses as well.
You still have to keep in mind that Night Guy still kills him and since Jubi Madara Regenerative capabilities pales in comparrison to the DB Namekians,DBZ Namekians, Cell and buu not to mention that you fail to see that Madara would die if he got hit with Roshis khh and Mid Level DB Warriors surpass him in Skill,Durability,Strength,power, and speed (Again Superior teleportation techniques like IT and DB Characters react to to them).

This is how it would play out with Gai Vs DB Namekians:
They would either tank Night Gai due to moon level durability or better regenerative abilites than Jubi Madara.Gai would be imobalized Namekian kills.

23rd Martial Arts Goku vs Gai:
Blocked a moon busting attack, which destroyed mountains and cities and was smiling/perfectly fine he is surviving night Gai.

Also your acting as if Jubi Maadara is in High Tier DB Level when he would be there b***.
Several things here

1) How do you know Namekian Regeneration is better? It takes a lot of ki to regenerate just an arm and it's not efficient at all. Madara, on the other hand, simply got back up and, once he'd recovered, acted as though nothing happened. The chakra consumption of his regeneration is so small that it doesn't impact him at all. Also, half of Madara's face was caved in, yet he recovered and regenerated just fine.

2) DB Characters don't react to anything near teleportation speed. The only instance of teleportation we see in DB/Z is Shunkan Ido. All other techniques are just illusions based on speed, like the afterimage.

3) Even if characters would surpass him in durability, his regeneration negates that advantage entirely. Plus, he's much more skilled than anyone in DB. He's got decades of experience and an almost endless list of jutsu at his disposal.

You can throw about 'Moon-level durability' all you want, it's not some auto-win phrase. We don't see physical feats like Gai's until the Boo Saga, even though characters get thrown around and knocked down all the time. What does that tell you? The enormous crater he made was from one burst of air pressure. Not even a punch; air pressure. As in, he punches so quickly that the force he created did that to the ground. What did a suppressed Goku do? Knocked Chi-Chi out of the ring with a punch and a blast of air pressure that Roshi described as 'stupendous'.

Gai's Night Elephant >>>>>>>>>>~>
Anything DB characters can do.
WOW MADARA had decades of experianced try harder Roshi Has Centuries and is surpassed by his student in all areas later on.

Any Ki Based Attack>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Evening Elephant

Just because you can regenerate dosent mean you cant die Cell and Buus regeneraration s***s on Jubi Madaras as Buu can come back from molecules and Cell can come back from a nucleus with a powerboost which he gained from genetics from namekians.If Madara nearly died from N.G he would of turned to dust if he encountered a country level ki blast much less moon level.

Instant transmission is better than any form of teleportation in naruto as you can fight with it and enter any parts of the Universe,Heaven or Hell in a instant and IM Surpasses even that.

In the end Naruto Charaters will always be in the bottom of anime tier list and i have been going on to other websites as well like Gamefaqs and even the Naruto forums and they even say Gai isnt touching EOD Or BOZ.

Also what you need to know is that Gai can only mess up space during Night Gai in which he dies also Madara has a Rinnegan,The ultimate Dojutsu only being equal to the Tenseigan.If a regualar sharingan can predict strikes around them so can the Rennegan but what you have to understand is the none of the strike as fast Roshi so even if he predicts it like you said his body might wont be fast enough.

Its almost 10PM Im going across the street and chill with my friends cause i aint spending the whole day and christhmas to convince some one who cant listen to reason You can be the 2% of people who believe Gai can Pose a threat to Z ima chill with the 98% Have a marry christhmas tho.





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It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.

If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.

1.)What i stated above
2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting
3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
Still dosent change the fact that
1.)Gai Isnt that fast now that i have debunked that Space Disruption isnt even his speed but a TaiJutsu
2.)Piccolo Jr and Piccolo SR And Kami will survive as there regenerating capabilities can regrow whole limbs and organs not to mention even with out regenerating there durability is Country-Continent-Moon Level while Jubi Madara with a multi mountain durability nearly died.
3.)Goku in DB tanked Worse he isnt dying and Roshi can just blast a ki blast which will make GAI Want to die faster.Also he isnt faster than teleportation, IT or IM Owns
No, even though it's the build-up to the technique, it's still Gai's speed. He just gathers chakra to make himself faster.

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Madara, with one eye, manages to counter Tobirama, one of the fastest Shinobi in history, and puts him down, despite Tobirama using Hiraishin, a teleportation technique to get right behind him and instantly throw an attack. He uses it again to escape an attack from Madara and launch a surprise attack from the front immediately, but we can see how that turned out...

Now, let's compare that to his fight with Gai

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Tobirama, one of the fastest ninja in the world, who uses teleportation, teleported behind Madara in an instant and attacked him. Even caught off-guard, Madara dodges this attack and proceeds to lay the hurt on good ol' Tobirama.

Now, against Gai, Madara is the Juubi Jinchuriki, meaning that he's much, muuuuuu~uuch stronger. He gets caught off-guard by Gai's Night Elephant and gets launched unbelievably deep into the ground (a feat we don't see in DBZ until the likes of SSJ3 Gotenks vs. Evil Boo). After recovering from this, thanks to his insane recovery, Madara says that he's going to fight him, so he's on-guard. Gai charges him again and beats the ever-loving **** out of him with blasts of air pressure, not even proper punches. Madara's pinned at this point; he can't move. When he does punch Madara, we see him coughing up blood and try to put up his ultimate defence, though thanks to Kakashi, Minato and Lee, Gai gets through it and hits Madara in the back. Bearing in mind that Madara's been on the defence this whole time and he's still getting his *ss kicked. The shockwave from his Night Gai technique, simply a kick, is astounding. Characters who're standing really far back are blown away by the force it creates. Then we see Madara claim that he thought he was going to die.

Now, when you compare the Teleporter's battle to Gai's battle, which person seems faster?

your acting as if i never once read the manga.
Tien and Nappa were able to make bottomless abysses as well.
You still have to keep in mind that Night Guy still kills him and since Jubi Madara Regenerative capabilities pales in comparrison to the DB Namekians,DBZ Namekians, Cell and buu not to mention that you fail to see that Madara would die if he got hit with Roshis khh and Mid Level DB Warriors surpass him in Skill,Durability,Strength,power, and speed (Again Superior teleportation techniques like IT and DB Characters react to to them).

This is how it would play out with Gai Vs DB Namekians:
They would either tank Night Gai due to moon level durability or better regenerative abilites than Jubi Madara.Gai would be imobalized Namekian kills.

23rd Martial Arts Goku vs Gai:
Blocked a moon busting attack, which destroyed mountains and cities and was smiling/perfectly fine he is surviving night Gai.

Also your acting as if Jubi Maadara is in High Tier DB Level when he would be there b***.
Several things here

1) How do you know Namekian Regeneration is better? It takes a lot of ki to regenerate just an arm and it's not efficient at all. Madara, on the other hand, simply got back up and, once he'd recovered, acted as though nothing happened. The chakra consumption of his regeneration is so small that it doesn't impact him at all. Also, half of Madara's face was caved in, yet he recovered and regenerated just fine.

2) DB Characters don't react to anything near teleportation speed. The only instance of teleportation we see in DB/Z is Shunkan Ido. All other techniques are just illusions based on speed, like the afterimage.

3) Even if characters would surpass him in durability, his regeneration negates that advantage entirely. Plus, he's much more skilled than anyone in DB. He's got decades of experience and an almost endless list of jutsu at his disposal.

You can throw about 'Moon-level durability' all you want, it's not some auto-win phrase. We don't see physical feats like Gai's until the Boo Saga, even though characters get thrown around and knocked down all the time. What does that tell you? The enormous crater he made was from one burst of air pressure. Not even a punch; air pressure. As in, he punches so quickly that the force he created did that to the ground. What did a suppressed Goku do? Knocked Chi-Chi out of the ring with a punch and a blast of air pressure that Roshi described as 'stupendous'.

Gai's Night Elephant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>~> Anything DB characters can do.
WOW MADARA had decades of experianced try harder Roshi Has Centuries and is surpassed by his student in all areas later on.

Any Ki Based Attack>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Evening Elephant

Just because you can regenerate dosent mean you cant die Cell and Buus regeneraration s***s on Jubi Madaras as Buu can come back from molecules and Cell can come back from a nucleus with a powerboost which he gained from genetics from namekians.If Madara nearly died from N.G he would of turned to dust if he encountered a country level ki blast much less moon level.

Instant transmission is better than any form of teleportation in naruto as you can fight with it and enter any parts of the Universe,Heaven or Hell in a instant and IM Surpasses even that.

In the end Naruto Charaters will always be in the bottom of anime tier list and i have been going on to other websites as well like Gamefaqs and even the Naruto forums and they even say Gai isnt touching EOD Or BOZ.


Right, so we're just ignoring the force required to do what Night Elephant did, are we? Cool.

He regenerated just fine from having half his body and face destroyed and caved in. He was talking just fine during it as well, so his regeneration isn't nearly as bad as you're implying it is. It beats Namekian regeneration by a country mile.

Gai > Madara > Tobirama

Hiraishin is literally teleportation, exactly the same as Shunkan Ido. The user locks onto a target (either by finding their ki or focusing on the seal they've placed) and then they instantly transport to it. Regular Madara reacted to it and trumped Tobirama twice, and Gai made a complete fool out of a Madara who was much, much stronger.
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Hiraishin is moving from one place to another in an instant, just like the Shunkan Ido. Being able to keep up with someone who's constantly using the technique is like a fighter being able to keep up with Goku teleporting constantly with the Shunkan Ido.

How do we know that A is, as you say, 'slower than Mid-Tier DB'?

Madara's durability doesn't matter; Gai laid the hurt on him with ease. Each punch did a massive amount of damage. Again, just think of the force needed to create something like Hirudora with pure air pressure and multiply it. That's what's behind each of Gai's punches. Compare it to Goku's feat at the 23rd Budokai again. Roshi called it, what was it again, 'stupendous force'?

Chapter: 171, P10.4
Context: after Goku blows Chi-Chi out of the ring, seemingly without doing anything
Kame-sennin: “He didn’t just do nothing...Goku probably pumped his fist with stupendous force…The shockwave-like thing created then blew the girl away before she had time to avoid it…”

Of course, he must've been talking from a normal human's viewpoint, right? The punch Goku threw was 'stupendous' in Roshi's eyes, which means that the punch is, at the very, very least, near what Roshi can do. Yet it only had that effect. Weird, huh?

Gai didn't die as soon as he started distorting space. He beat on Madara for a while and used several techniques.
Actually Gai only disorts space when he performs the Night Gai so for 1 he dosent move at the speed only does when he performs night Gai and when he does he breaks his leg and starts to ROT.

Since Madara survive so can people in DB.

I was hoping you'd bring that up. It doesn't change anything, though. He's still fast enough to surpass teleportation (see Tobirama and Minato vs Obito and Madara) and the one hit he gets with Night Gai is all he needs. The only reason Madara survived was because he was the Juubi's Jinchuriki and had insane regenerative powers. If he hadn't, he'd be dead.
Still dosent change the fact that
1.)Gai Isnt that fast now that i have debunked that Space Disruption isnt even his speed but a TaiJutsu
2.)Piccolo Jr and Piccolo SR And Kami will survive as there regenerating capabilities can regrow whole limbs and organs not to mention even with out regenerating there durability is Country-Continent-Moon Level while Jubi Madara with a multi mountain durability nearly died.
3.)Goku in DB tanked Worse he isnt dying and Roshi can just blast a ki blast which will make GAI Want to die faster.Also he isnt faster than teleportation, IT or IM Owns
No, even though it's the build-up to the technique, it's still Gai's speed. He just gathers chakra to make himself faster.

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Madara, with one eye, manages to counter Tobirama, one of the fastest Shinobi in history, and puts him down, despite Tobirama using Hiraishin, a teleportation technique to get right behind him and instantly throw an attack. He uses it again to escape an attack from Madara and launch a surprise attack from the front immediately, but we can see how that turned out...

Now, let's compare that to his fight with Gai

Spoiler: click to toggle


Tobirama, one of the fastest ninja in the world, who uses teleportation, teleported behind Madara in an instant and attacked him. Even caught off-guard, Madara dodges this attack and proceeds to lay the hurt on good ol' Tobirama.

Now, against Gai, Madara is the Juubi Jinchuriki, meaning that he's much, muuuuuu~uuch stronger. He gets caught off-guard by Gai's Night Elephant and gets launched unbelievably deep into the ground (a feat we don't see in DBZ until the likes of SSJ3 Gotenks vs. Evil Boo). After recovering from this, thanks to his insane recovery, Madara says that he's going to fight him, so he's on-guard. Gai charges him again and beats the ever-loving **** out of him with blasts of air pressure, not even proper punches. Madara's pinned at this point; he can't move. When he does punch Madara, we see him coughing up blood and try to put up his ultimate defence, though thanks to Kakashi, Minato and Lee, Gai gets through it and hits Madara in the back. Bearing in mind that Madara's been on the defence this whole time and he's still getting his *ss kicked. The shockwave from his Night Gai technique, simply a kick, is astounding. Characters who're standing really far back are blown away by the force it creates. Then we see Madara claim that he thought he was going to die.

Now, when you compare the Teleporter's battle to Gai's battle, which person seems faster?

your acting as if i never once read the manga.
Tien and Nappa were able to make bottomless abysses as well.
You still have to keep in mind that Night Guy still kills him and since Jubi Madara Regenerative capabilities pales in comparrison to the DB Namekians,DBZ Namekians, Cell and buu not to mention that you fail to see that Madara would die if he got hit with Roshis khh and Mid Level DB Warriors surpass him in Skill,Durability,Strength,power, and speed (Again Superior teleportation techniques like IT and DB Characters react to to them).

This is how it would play out with Gai Vs DB Namekians:
They would either tank Night Gai due to moon level durability or better regenerative abilites than Jubi Madara.Gai would be imobalized Namekian kills.

23rd Martial Arts Goku vs Gai:
Blocked a moon busting attack, which destroyed mountains and cities and was smiling/perfectly fine he is surviving night Gai.

Also your acting as if Jubi Maadara is in High Tier DB Level when he would be there b***.
Several things here

1) How do you know Namekian Regeneration is better? It takes a lot of ki to regenerate just an arm and it's not efficient at all. Madara, on the other hand, simply got back up and, once he'd recovered, acted as though nothing happened. The chakra consumption of his regeneration is so small that it doesn't impact him at all. Also, half of Madara's face was caved in, yet he recovered and regenerated just fine.

2) DB Characters don't react to anything near teleportation speed. The only instance of teleportation we see in DB/Z is Shunkan Ido. All other techniques are just illusions based on speed, like the afterimage.

3) Even if characters would surpass him in durability, his regeneration negates that advantage entirely. Plus, he's much more skilled than anyone in DB. He's got decades of experience and an almost endless list of jutsu at his disposal.

You can throw about 'Moon-level durability' all you want, it's not some auto-win phrase. We don't see physical feats like Gai's until the Boo Saga, even though characters get thrown around and knocked down all the time. What does that tell you? The enormous crater he made was from one burst of air pressure. Not even a punch; air pressure. As in, he punches so quickly that the force he created did that to the ground. What did a suppressed Goku do? Knocked Chi-Chi out of the ring with a punch and a blast of air pressure that Roshi described as 'stupendous'.

Gai's Night Elephant >>>>>>>>>>~> Anything DB characters can do.
WOW MADARA had decades of experianced try harder Roshi Has Centuries and is surpassed by his student in all areas later on.

Any Ki Based Attack>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Evening Elephant

Just because you can regenerate dosent mean you cant die Cell and Buus regeneraration s***s on Jubi Madaras as Buu can come back from molecules and Cell can come back from a nucleus with a powerboost which he gained from genetics from namekians.If Madara nearly died from N.G he would of turned to dust if he encountered a country level ki blast much less moon level.

Instant transmission is better than any form of teleportation in naruto as you can fight with it and enter any parts of the Universe,Heaven or Hell in a instant and IM Surpasses even that.

In the end Naruto Charaters will always be in the bottom of anime tier list and i have been going on to other websites as well like Gamefaqs and even the Naruto forums and they even say Gai isnt touching EOD Or BOZ.


Right, so we're just ignoring the force required to do what Night Elephant did, are we? Cool.

He regenerated just fine from having half his body and face destroyed and caved in. He was talking just fine during it as well, so his regeneration isn't nearly as bad as you're implying it is. It beats Namekian regeneration by a country mile.

Gai > Madara > Tobirama

Hiraishin is literally teleportation, exactly the same as Shunkan Ido. The user locks onto a target (either by finding their ki or focusing on the seal they've placed) and then they instantly transport to it. Regular Madara reacted to it and trumped Tobirama twice, and Gai made a complete fool out of a Madara who was much, much stronger.
you also threw Miyamotos statement out did i b*** no so stop crying.
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