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Kakashi reacts to a Lightning Bolt and cuts it. That's a solid, dependable feat. The situation with Kirin doesn't change anything. All it proves it that Kakashi (Pre-Series) > Itachi (Exhausted), which isn't farfetched at all.
By the war arc, they're muuuuuu~uuuch faster. Naruto's speed was compared with the speed of Hiraishin and Kakashi managed to track and use Kamui on an even faster Naruto.
kakashi saw a flash and compared it to Minatos yellow flash,dosent mean its as fast just mean they look similar.Roshis KHH>>any speed feat in naruto. Kakashi still cant fight Kid Goku at close quaters and thats a fact. Roshis moon busting feat>Any busting feat in naruto. 8th gate Gai isnt beating Roshi.
NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, who kept on Minato's toes for their entire fight, even when Minato was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto ? Minato (Hiraishin) > Raikage Then Naruto got Bijuu Mode and become much faster, yet Kakashi was still able to keep up and react to it. It's not a fact, it's anything but a fact. Is it better than Spoilers for Naruto: The Last Lee destroying half a meteor with Taijutsu and Sasuke destroying the other half with his Chidori? So Gai distorts space itself with his speed and Roshi is faster?
1.)I Said the KHH is faster than anything and stronger than anything in Naruto 2.)In a close quaters bout,Roshi would make Gai his b*** due to the simple facts that in the World of DB Your Traveling Speed can also be your reaction and striking speed not to mention what a superior martial artist Roshi is in general, GAI Dosent want a long distant bout as well as his KHH would be to fast for GAI and would kill him in a instant. 3.)Gai distorting space was a big deal in Naruto because that franchise never saw any thing as impressive, In DB People went from Faster than Sound to Faster than lighting to Faster than Light (Gotenks tier) and beyond yet nobody comments about it due to there expectation always being blowned away.Also i dont know how Madara could give a clear depiction of Gais speed when he litteraly got his head cramed threwout the whole fight and his eyes were shut so for him being Distorting space is something i can accept but should be looked into.Your still underestimating Roshis speed.
When you're as fast or faster than a person who's comparable to teleportation, there's no real problem. Gai wouldn't even let him prep the Kamehameha; he'd blitz him and crush him with the force of his blows. Unless Roshi is fast enough to keep up with teleportation now? Distorting space with pure speed is better than any speed feat we've ever gotten in DBZ
oh so your telling me GAI Can go around the earth multiple times in seaconds are you also telling me GAI Can enter heaven with pure speed alone AH NOPE. Have you seen DB To say something as stupid as that.Roshi dosnt need a KHH as mountain busting hurts GAI a charged ki blast can do the trick.Your also underestimating Roshi as a very supressed Roshi and kid krillin is able to were shown to throw multiple strikes and play R.P.S in between strikes in seaconds.Also just from powering up Roshi could produce powerful air pressure which will repel gai and get hit with a KHH. Across long distances, Gai isn't as fast as we've seen. Across short distances however, it would be as if he was appearing out of nowhere.
No, you're underestimating Gai's speed. He would blitz Roshi before the old man even knew what was going on. That scene with Krillin was a gag, unless you wanted to believe that Krillin became majorly OOC purely for that instance.
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Its just one of gai's technique that was that fast. He can't actually conviently use that speed to go around the world he said that his speed>any 1 in DBZ . When GAI Would get one shotted by Raditz
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Kakashi reacts to a Lightning Bolt and cuts it. That's a solid, dependable feat. The situation with Kirin doesn't change anything. All it proves it that Kakashi (Pre-Series) > Itachi (Exhausted), which isn't farfetched at all.
By the war arc, they're muuuuuu~uuuch faster. Naruto's speed was compared with the speed of Hiraishin and Kakashi managed to track and use Kamui on an even faster Naruto.
kakashi saw a flash and compared it to Minatos yellow flash,dosent mean its as fast just mean they look similar.Roshis KHH>>any speed feat in naruto. Kakashi still cant fight Kid Goku at close quaters and thats a fact. Roshis moon busting feat>Any busting feat in naruto. 8th gate Gai isnt beating Roshi.
NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, who kept on Minato's toes for their entire fight, even when Minato was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto ? Minato (Hiraishin) > Raikage Then Naruto got Bijuu Mode and become much faster, yet Kakashi was still able to keep up and react to it. It's not a fact, it's anything but a fact. Is it better than Spoilers for Naruto: The Last Lee destroying half a meteor with Taijutsu and Sasuke destroying the other half with his Chidori? So Gai distorts space itself with his speed and Roshi is faster?
1.)I Said the KHH is faster than anything and stronger than anything in Naruto 2.)In a close quaters bout,Roshi would make Gai his b*** due to the simple facts that in the World of DB Your Traveling Speed can also be your reaction and striking speed not to mention what a superior martial artist Roshi is in general, GAI Dosent want a long distant bout as well as his KHH would be to fast for GAI and would kill him in a instant. 3.)Gai distorting space was a big deal in Naruto because that franchise never saw any thing as impressive, In DB People went from Faster than Sound to Faster than lighting to Faster than Light (Gotenks tier) and beyond yet nobody comments about it due to there expectation always being blowned away.Also i dont know how Madara could give a clear depiction of Gais speed when he litteraly got his head cramed threwout the whole fight and his eyes were shut so for him being Distorting space is something i can accept but should be looked into.Your still underestimating Roshis speed.
When you're as fast or faster than a person who's comparable to teleportation, there's no real problem. Gai wouldn't even let him prep the Kamehameha; he'd blitz him and crush him with the force of his blows. Unless Roshi is fast enough to keep up with teleportation now? Distorting space with pure speed is better than any speed feat we've ever gotten in DBZ
oh so your telling me GAI Can go around the earth multiple times in seaconds are you also telling me GAI Can enter heaven with pure speed alone AH NOPE. Have you seen DB To say something as stupid as that.Roshi dosnt need a KHH as mountain busting hurts GAI a charged ki blast can do the trick.Your also underestimating Roshi as a very supressed Roshi and kid krillin is able to were shown to throw multiple strikes and play R.P.S in between strikes in seaconds.Also just from powering up Roshi could produce powerful air pressure which will repel gai and get hit with a KHH.
Across long distances, Gai isn't as fast as we've seen. Across short distances however, it would be as if he was appearing out of nowhere. No, you're underestimating Gai's speed. He would blitz Roshi before the old man even knew what was going on. That scene with Krillin was a gag, unless you wanted to believe that Krillin became majorly OOC purely for that instance. Sorry for DOUBLE POSTING But this needs to be said.
Raditz can tank a moon busting attack nothin GAI Will do will hurt him. Gai was only able to bend space because of a technique which basiclly utilizes every thing in the users body in a short burst (kind of like kaioken) but GAI Can only do this if he goes in one direction (Like when BEE tried to Lariat Sasuke but kept missing because tho fast the direction was predictable as hell) If Raditz can React to Gokus ki Attacks (Which greatly surpasses Roshis KHH in both power and speed) than he wont fall for GAI as once he bends space he basiclly dies which was all for nothing really and since Madara was able to see him move than so can Roshi and if Madara is able to survive so can roshi.
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Kakashi reacts to a Lightning Bolt and cuts it. That's a solid, dependable feat. The situation with Kirin doesn't change anything. All it proves it that Kakashi (Pre-Series) > Itachi (Exhausted), which isn't farfetched at all.
By the war arc, they're muuuuuu~uuuch faster. Naruto's speed was compared with the speed of Hiraishin and Kakashi managed to track and use Kamui on an even faster Naruto.
kakashi saw a flash and compared it to Minatos yellow flash,dosent mean its as fast just mean they look similar.Roshis KHH>>any speed feat in naruto. Kakashi still cant fight Kid Goku at close quaters and thats a fact. Roshis moon busting feat>Any busting feat in naruto. 8th gate Gai isnt beating Roshi.
NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, who kept on Minato's toes for their entire fight, even when Minato was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto ? Minato (Hiraishin) > Raikage Then Naruto got Bijuu Mode and become much faster, yet Kakashi was still able to keep up and react to it. It's not a fact, it's anything but a fact. Is it better than Spoilers for Naruto: The Last Lee destroying half a meteor with Taijutsu and Sasuke destroying the other half with his Chidori? So Gai distorts space itself with his speed and Roshi is faster?
1.)I Said the KHH is faster than anything and stronger than anything in Naruto 2.)In a close quaters bout,Roshi would make Gai his b*** due to the simple facts that in the World of DB Your Traveling Speed can also be your reaction and striking speed not to mention what a superior martial artist Roshi is in general, GAI Dosent want a long distant bout as well as his KHH would be to fast for GAI and would kill him in a instant. 3.)Gai distorting space was a big deal in Naruto because that franchise never saw any thing as impressive, In DB People went from Faster than Sound to Faster than lighting to Faster than Light (Gotenks tier) and beyond yet nobody comments about it due to there expectation always being blowned away.Also i dont know how Madara could give a clear depiction of Gais speed when he litteraly got his head cramed threwout the whole fight and his eyes were shut so for him being Distorting space is something i can accept but should be looked into.Your still underestimating Roshis speed.
When you're as fast or faster than a person who's comparable to teleportation, there's no real problem. Gai wouldn't even let him prep the Kamehameha; he'd blitz him and crush him with the force of his blows. Unless Roshi is fast enough to keep up with teleportation now? Distorting space with pure speed is better than any speed feat we've ever gotten in DBZ
oh so your telling me GAI Can go around the earth multiple times in seaconds are you also telling me GAI Can enter heaven with pure speed alone AH NOPE. Have you seen DB To say something as stupid as that.Roshi dosnt need a KHH as mountain busting hurts GAI a charged ki blast can do the trick.Your also underestimating Roshi as a very supressed Roshi and kid krillin is able to were shown to throw multiple strikes and play R.P.S in between strikes in seaconds.Also just from powering up Roshi could produce powerful air pressure which will repel gai and get hit with a KHH.
Across long distances, Gai isn't as fast as we've seen. Across short distances however, it would be as if he was appearing out of nowhere. No, you're underestimating Gai's speed. He would blitz Roshi before the old man even knew what was going on. That scene with Krillin was a gag, unless you wanted to believe that Krillin became majorly OOC purely for that instance.
Sorry for DOUBLE POSTING But this needs to be said. Raditz can tank a moon busting attack nothin GAI Will do will hurt him. Gai was only able to bend space because of a technique which basiclly utilizes every thing in the users body in a short burst (kind of like kaioken) but GAI Can only do this if he goes in one direction (Like when BEE tried to Lariat Sasuke but kept missing because tho fast the direction was predictable as hell) If Raditz can React to Gokus ki Attacks (Which greatly surpasses Roshis KHH in both power and speed) than he wont fall for GAI as once he bends space he basiclly dies which was all for nothing really and since Madara was able to see him move than so can Roshi and if Madara is able to survive so can roshi. Madara was getting tossed around like a rag doll. Even if he was able to see him, it would be because of his Sharingan/Rinnegan. They allow the user to see and predict moves, but if their bodies aren't fast enough to react, then it's completely pointless. Raditz and Goku wouldn't be able to react quick enough to dodge Gai; at this point, he's faster than teleportation.
Think of the force behind the Hirudora; a simple punch caused a huge amount of air pressure which then released and caused a ahockwave which covered the entirety of the Island Turtle's shell. From a punch. The force behind that punch was unbelievable; anyone, even in Early Z, getting hit by that is saying their prayers.
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
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Kakashi reacts to a Lightning Bolt and cuts it. That's a solid, dependable feat. The situation with Kirin doesn't change anything. All it proves it that Kakashi (Pre-Series) > Itachi (Exhausted), which isn't farfetched at all.
By the war arc, they're muuuuuu~uuuch faster. Naruto's speed was compared with the speed of Hiraishin and Kakashi managed to track and use Kamui on an even faster Naruto.
kakashi saw a flash and compared it to Minatos yellow flash,dosent mean its as fast just mean they look similar.Roshis KHH>>any speed feat in naruto. Kakashi still cant fight Kid Goku at close quaters and thats a fact. Roshis moon busting feat>Any busting feat in naruto. 8th gate Gai isnt beating Roshi.
NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, who kept on Minato's toes for their entire fight, even when Minato was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto ? Minato (Hiraishin) > Raikage Then Naruto got Bijuu Mode and become much faster, yet Kakashi was still able to keep up and react to it. It's not a fact, it's anything but a fact. Is it better than Spoilers for Naruto: The Last Lee destroying half a meteor with Taijutsu and Sasuke destroying the other half with his Chidori? So Gai distorts space itself with his speed and Roshi is faster?
1.)I Said the KHH is faster than anything and stronger than anything in Naruto 2.)In a close quaters bout,Roshi would make Gai his b*** due to the simple facts that in the World of DB Your Traveling Speed can also be your reaction and striking speed not to mention what a superior martial artist Roshi is in general, GAI Dosent want a long distant bout as well as his KHH would be to fast for GAI and would kill him in a instant. 3.)Gai distorting space was a big deal in Naruto because that franchise never saw any thing as impressive, In DB People went from Faster than Sound to Faster than lighting to Faster than Light (Gotenks tier) and beyond yet nobody comments about it due to there expectation always being blowned away.Also i dont know how Madara could give a clear depiction of Gais speed when he litteraly got his head cramed threwout the whole fight and his eyes were shut so for him being Distorting space is something i can accept but should be looked into.Your still underestimating Roshis speed.
When you're as fast or faster than a person who's comparable to teleportation, there's no real problem. Gai wouldn't even let him prep the Kamehameha; he'd blitz him and crush him with the force of his blows. Unless Roshi is fast enough to keep up with teleportation now? Distorting space with pure speed is better than any speed feat we've ever gotten in DBZ
oh so your telling me GAI Can go around the earth multiple times in seaconds are you also telling me GAI Can enter heaven with pure speed alone AH NOPE. Have you seen DB To say something as stupid as that.Roshi dosnt need a KHH as mountain busting hurts GAI a charged ki blast can do the trick.Your also underestimating Roshi as a very supressed Roshi and kid krillin is able to were shown to throw multiple strikes and play R.P.S in between strikes in seaconds.Also just from powering up Roshi could produce powerful air pressure which will repel gai and get hit with a KHH.
Across long distances, Gai isn't as fast as we've seen. Across short distances however, it would be as if he was appearing out of nowhere. No, you're underestimating Gai's speed. He would blitz Roshi before the old man even knew what was going on. That scene with Krillin was a gag, unless you wanted to believe that Krillin became majorly OOC purely for that instance.
Sorry for DOUBLE POSTING But this needs to be said. Raditz can tank a moon busting attack nothin GAI Will do will hurt him. Gai was only able to bend space because of a technique which basiclly utilizes every thing in the users body in a short burst (kind of like kaioken) but GAI Can only do this if he goes in one direction (Like when BEE tried to Lariat Sasuke but kept missing because tho fast the direction was predictable as hell) If Raditz can React to Gokus ki Attacks (Which greatly surpasses Roshis KHH in both power and speed) than he wont fall for GAI as once he bends space he basiclly dies which was all for nothing really and since Madara was able to see him move than so can Roshi and if Madara is able to survive so can roshi.
Madara was getting tossed around like a rag doll. Even if he was able to see him, it would be because of his Sharingan/Rinnegan. They allow the user to see and predict moves, but if their bodies aren't fast enough to react, then it's completely pointless. Raditz and Goku wouldn't be able to react quick enough to dodge Gai; at this point, he's faster than teleportation. Think of the force behind the Hirudora; a simple punch caused a huge amount of air pressure which then released and caused a ahockwave which covered the entirety of the Island Turtle's shell. From a punch. The force behind that punch was unbelievable; anyone, even in Early Z, getting hit by that is saying their prayers. You just proved my speculation on Gai distorting Space might be hyperbole as Madara couldnt give a clear depiction on Gais speed.
No one in early Z is getting hurt by Gai as they can tank Moon busting and to the Vegeta Saga survive Planet Busting.
Raditz is able to outmanuver Gokus KHH which is superior in every way to Roshis.
Gais start up might be faster than Teleportation but not superior as Madara could atleast know it was comming.
If Gai cant bust a moon,He aint posing a threat to early Z. Hes staying with DB,Likley losing or have trouble to Roshi and piccolo Damaio (busting cities with the wave of his hand) and loses to 23rd budakai piccolo jr and Goku (All they need to do is predict a direction and shoot a ki blast not to mention GAI Will most likley get tricked by a after image so that one time space bending technique will most likley be for nothing).
Your acting like DB hasnt faced any with Space/Time abilities.Some 1 as inexpiranced as Gohan survived Guldo (Can disrupt time).
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that.
Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage
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Kakashi reacts to a Lightning Bolt and cuts it. That's a solid, dependable feat. The situation with Kirin doesn't change anything. All it proves it that Kakashi (Pre-Series) > Itachi (Exhausted), which isn't farfetched at all.
By the war arc, they're muuuuuu~uuuch faster. Naruto's speed was compared with the speed of Hiraishin and Kakashi managed to track and use Kamui on an even faster Naruto.
kakashi saw a flash and compared it to Minatos yellow flash,dosent mean its as fast just mean they look similar.Roshis KHH>>any speed feat in naruto. Kakashi still cant fight Kid Goku at close quaters and thats a fact. Roshis moon busting feat>Any busting feat in naruto. 8th gate Gai isnt beating Roshi.
NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, who kept on Minato's toes for their entire fight, even when Minato was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto ? Minato (Hiraishin) > Raikage Then Naruto got Bijuu Mode and become much faster, yet Kakashi was still able to keep up and react to it. It's not a fact, it's anything but a fact. Is it better than Spoilers for Naruto: The Last Lee destroying half a meteor with Taijutsu and Sasuke destroying the other half with his Chidori? So Gai distorts space itself with his speed and Roshi is faster?
1.)I Said the KHH is faster than anything and stronger than anything in Naruto 2.)In a close quaters bout,Roshi would make Gai his b*** due to the simple facts that in the World of DB Your Traveling Speed can also be your reaction and striking speed not to mention what a superior martial artist Roshi is in general, GAI Dosent want a long distant bout as well as his KHH would be to fast for GAI and would kill him in a instant. 3.)Gai distorting space was a big deal in Naruto because that franchise never saw any thing as impressive, In DB People went from Faster than Sound to Faster than lighting to Faster than Light (Gotenks tier) and beyond yet nobody comments about it due to there expectation always being blowned away.Also i dont know how Madara could give a clear depiction of Gais speed when he litteraly got his head cramed threwout the whole fight and his eyes were shut so for him being Distorting space is something i can accept but should be looked into.Your still underestimating Roshis speed.
When you're as fast or faster than a person who's comparable to teleportation, there's no real problem. Gai wouldn't even let him prep the Kamehameha; he'd blitz him and crush him with the force of his blows. Unless Roshi is fast enough to keep up with teleportation now? Distorting space with pure speed is better than any speed feat we've ever gotten in DBZ
oh so your telling me GAI Can go around the earth multiple times in seaconds are you also telling me GAI Can enter heaven with pure speed alone AH NOPE. Have you seen DB To say something as stupid as that.Roshi dosnt need a KHH as mountain busting hurts GAI a charged ki blast can do the trick.Your also underestimating Roshi as a very supressed Roshi and kid krillin is able to were shown to throw multiple strikes and play R.P.S in between strikes in seaconds.Also just from powering up Roshi could produce powerful air pressure which will repel gai and get hit with a KHH.
Across long distances, Gai isn't as fast as we've seen. Across short distances however, it would be as if he was appearing out of nowhere. No, you're underestimating Gai's speed. He would blitz Roshi before the old man even knew what was going on. That scene with Krillin was a gag, unless you wanted to believe that Krillin became majorly OOC purely for that instance.
Sorry for DOUBLE POSTING But this needs to be said. Raditz can tank a moon busting attack nothin GAI Will do will hurt him. Gai was only able to bend space because of a technique which basiclly utilizes every thing in the users body in a short burst (kind of like kaioken) but GAI Can only do this if he goes in one direction (Like when BEE tried to Lariat Sasuke but kept missing because tho fast the direction was predictable as hell) If Raditz can React to Gokus ki Attacks (Which greatly surpasses Roshis KHH in both power and speed) than he wont fall for GAI as once he bends space he basiclly dies which was all for nothing really and since Madara was able to see him move than so can Roshi and if Madara is able to survive so can roshi.
Madara was getting tossed around like a rag doll. Even if he was able to see him, it would be because of his Sharingan/Rinnegan. They allow the user to see and predict moves, but if their bodies aren't fast enough to react, then it's completely pointless. Raditz and Goku wouldn't be able to react quick enough to dodge Gai; at this point, he's faster than teleportation. Think of the force behind the Hirudora; a simple punch caused a huge amount of air pressure which then released and caused a ahockwave which covered the entirety of the Island Turtle's shell. From a punch. The force behind that punch was unbelievable; anyone, even in Early Z, getting hit by that is saying their prayers.
You just proved my speculation on Gai distorting Space might be hyperbole as Madara couldnt give a clear depiction on Gais speed. No one in early Z is getting hurt by Gai as they can tank Moon busting and to the Vegeta Saga survive Planet Busting. Raditz is able to outmanuver Gokus KHH which is superior in every way to Roshis. Gais start up might be faster than Teleportation but not superior as Madara could atleast know it was comming. If Gai cant bust a moon,He aint posing a threat to early Z. Hes staying with DB,Likley losing or have trouble to Roshi and piccolo Damaio (busting cities with the wave of his hand) and loses to 23rd budakai piccolo jr and Goku (All they need to do is predict a direction and shoot a ki blast not to mention GAI Will most likley get tricked by a after image so that one time space bending technique will most likley be for nothing). Your acting like DB hasnt faced any with Space/Time abilities.Some 1 as inexpiranced as Gohan survived Guldo (Can disrupt time). Hyperbole? He literally bends space with his speed in order to bypass Madara's defences and get devastating hits in.
Gai is fast enough to launch himself at them and catch them off-guard before they even finish charging a regular energy attack. Teleportation is ridiculously fast, and Gai is faster than that.
The only reason Gohan survived his encounter with Guldo is because Vegeta was there. He pressured Guldo, but that's only because Guldo was out-of-shape and hardly a great fighter.
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NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, who kept on Minato's toes for their entire fight, even when Minato was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto ? Minato (Hiraishin) > Raikage Then Naruto got Bijuu Mode and become much faster, yet Kakashi was still able to keep up and react to it. It's not a fact, it's anything but a fact. Is it better than Spoilers for Naruto: The Last Lee destroying half a meteor with Taijutsu and Sasuke destroying the other half with his Chidori? So Gai distorts space itself with his speed and Roshi is faster?
1.)I Said the KHH is faster than anything and stronger than anything in Naruto 2.)In a close quaters bout,Roshi would make Gai his b*** due to the simple facts that in the World of DB Your Traveling Speed can also be your reaction and striking speed not to mention what a superior martial artist Roshi is in general, GAI Dosent want a long distant bout as well as his KHH would be to fast for GAI and would kill him in a instant. 3.)Gai distorting space was a big deal in Naruto because that franchise never saw any thing as impressive, In DB People went from Faster than Sound to Faster than lighting to Faster than Light (Gotenks tier) and beyond yet nobody comments about it due to there expectation always being blowned away.Also i dont know how Madara could give a clear depiction of Gais speed when he litteraly got his head cramed threwout the whole fight and his eyes were shut so for him being Distorting space is something i can accept but should be looked into.Your still underestimating Roshis speed.
When you're as fast or faster than a person who's comparable to teleportation, there's no real problem. Gai wouldn't even let him prep the Kamehameha; he'd blitz him and crush him with the force of his blows. Unless Roshi is fast enough to keep up with teleportation now? Distorting space with pure speed is better than any speed feat we've ever gotten in DBZ
oh so your telling me GAI Can go around the earth multiple times in seaconds are you also telling me GAI Can enter heaven with pure speed alone AH NOPE. Have you seen DB To say something as stupid as that.Roshi dosnt need a KHH as mountain busting hurts GAI a charged ki blast can do the trick.Your also underestimating Roshi as a very supressed Roshi and kid krillin is able to were shown to throw multiple strikes and play R.P.S in between strikes in seaconds.Also just from powering up Roshi could produce powerful air pressure which will repel gai and get hit with a KHH.
Across long distances, Gai isn't as fast as we've seen. Across short distances however, it would be as if he was appearing out of nowhere. No, you're underestimating Gai's speed. He would blitz Roshi before the old man even knew what was going on. That scene with Krillin was a gag, unless you wanted to believe that Krillin became majorly OOC purely for that instance.
Sorry for DOUBLE POSTING But this needs to be said. Raditz can tank a moon busting attack nothin GAI Will do will hurt him. Gai was only able to bend space because of a technique which basiclly utilizes every thing in the users body in a short burst (kind of like kaioken) but GAI Can only do this if he goes in one direction (Like when BEE tried to Lariat Sasuke but kept missing because tho fast the direction was predictable as hell) If Raditz can React to Gokus ki Attacks (Which greatly surpasses Roshis KHH in both power and speed) than he wont fall for GAI as once he bends space he basiclly dies which was all for nothing really and since Madara was able to see him move than so can Roshi and if Madara is able to survive so can roshi.
Madara was getting tossed around like a rag doll. Even if he was able to see him, it would be because of his Sharingan/Rinnegan. They allow the user to see and predict moves, but if their bodies aren't fast enough to react, then it's completely pointless. Raditz and Goku wouldn't be able to react quick enough to dodge Gai; at this point, he's faster than teleportation. Think of the force behind the Hirudora; a simple punch caused a huge amount of air pressure which then released and caused a ahockwave which covered the entirety of the Island Turtle's shell. From a punch. The force behind that punch was unbelievable; anyone, even in Early Z, getting hit by that is saying their prayers.
You just proved my speculation on Gai distorting Space might be hyperbole as Madara couldnt give a clear depiction on Gais speed. No one in early Z is getting hurt by Gai as they can tank Moon busting and to the Vegeta Saga survive Planet Busting. Raditz is able to outmanuver Gokus KHH which is superior in every way to Roshis. Gais start up might be faster than Teleportation but not superior as Madara could atleast know it was comming. If Gai cant bust a moon,He aint posing a threat to early Z. Hes staying with DB,Likley losing or have trouble to Roshi and piccolo Damaio (busting cities with the wave of his hand) and loses to 23rd budakai piccolo jr and Goku (All they need to do is predict a direction and shoot a ki blast not to mention GAI Will most likley get tricked by a after image so that one time space bending technique will most likley be for nothing). Your acting like DB hasnt faced any with Space/Time abilities.Some 1 as inexpiranced as Gohan survived Guldo (Can disrupt time).
Hyperbole? He literally bends space with his speed in order to bypass Madara's defences and get devastating hits in. Gai is fast enough to launch himself at them and catch them off-guard before they even finish charging a regular energy attack. Teleportation is ridiculously fast, and Gai is faster than that. The only reason Gohan survived his encounter with Guldo is because Vegeta was there. He pressured Guldo, but that's only because Guldo was out-of-shape and hardly a great fighter. Yet Guldo is much more powerful than Gai.
His start up speed seems faster, but its not faster than teleportation
Kid Goku is able to move so fast no one (Not even the most trained martial artist) could see him,He would obviously kill GAI as he wouldnt know whats going on.
Every Mid to High Tier in DB can perform an after image (A technique in which the user moves so fast they leave an image of thereselves) Gai can only distort space once and in a very short burst, Since people in DB Can react to some thing and perform after images as fast as IT,IM or GS Than they can do it to Gai once he hits a fake Roshi he'll be on the ground dead and hit with a khh.
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that. Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
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Quoting limited to 10 levels deep but a fact. Is it better than Spoilers for Naruto: The Last Lee destroying half a meteor with Taijutsu and Sasuke destroying the other half with his Chidori? So Gai distorts space itself with his speed and Roshi is faster?
1.)I Said the KHH is faster than anything and stronger than anything in Naruto 2.)In a close quaters bout,Roshi would make Gai his b*** due to the simple facts that in the World of DB Your Traveling Speed can also be your reaction and striking speed not to mention what a superior martial artist Roshi is in general, GAI Dosent want a long distant bout as well as his KHH would be to fast for GAI and would kill him in a instant. 3.)Gai distorting space was a big deal in Naruto because that franchise never saw any thing as impressive, In DB People went from Faster than Sound to Faster than lighting to Faster than Light (Gotenks tier) and beyond yet nobody comments about it due to there expectation always being blowned away.Also i dont know how Madara could give a clear depiction of Gais speed when he litteraly got his head cramed threwout the whole fight and his eyes were shut so for him being Distorting space is something i can accept but should be looked into.Your still underestimating Roshis speed.
When you're as fast or faster than a person who's comparable to teleportation, there's no real problem. Gai wouldn't even let him prep the Kamehameha; he'd blitz him and crush him with the force of his blows. Unless Roshi is fast enough to keep up with teleportation now? Distorting space with pure speed is better than any speed feat we've ever gotten in DBZ
oh so your telling me GAI Can go around the earth multiple times in seaconds are you also telling me GAI Can enter heaven with pure speed alone AH NOPE. Have you seen DB To say something as stupid as that.Roshi dosnt need a KHH as mountain busting hurts GAI a charged ki blast can do the trick.Your also underestimating Roshi as a very supressed Roshi and kid krillin is able to were shown to throw multiple strikes and play R.P.S in between strikes in seaconds.Also just from powering up Roshi could produce powerful air pressure which will repel gai and get hit with a KHH.
Across long distances, Gai isn't as fast as we've seen. Across short distances however, it would be as if he was appearing out of nowhere. No, you're underestimating Gai's speed. He would blitz Roshi before the old man even knew what was going on. That scene with Krillin was a gag, unless you wanted to believe that Krillin became majorly OOC purely for that instance.
Sorry for DOUBLE POSTING But this needs to be said. Raditz can tank a moon busting attack nothin GAI Will do will hurt him. Gai was only able to bend space because of a technique which basiclly utilizes every thing in the users body in a short burst (kind of like kaioken) but GAI Can only do this if he goes in one direction (Like when BEE tried to Lariat Sasuke but kept missing because tho fast the direction was predictable as hell) If Raditz can React to Gokus ki Attacks (Which greatly surpasses Roshis KHH in both power and speed) than he wont fall for GAI as once he bends space he basiclly dies which was all for nothing really and since Madara was able to see him move than so can Roshi and if Madara is able to survive so can roshi.
Madara was getting tossed around like a rag doll. Even if he was able to see him, it would be because of his Sharingan/Rinnegan. They allow the user to see and predict moves, but if their bodies aren't fast enough to react, then it's completely pointless. Raditz and Goku wouldn't be able to react quick enough to dodge Gai; at this point, he's faster than teleportation. Think of the force behind the Hirudora; a simple punch caused a huge amount of air pressure which then released and caused a ahockwave which covered the entirety of the Island Turtle's shell. From a punch. The force behind that punch was unbelievable; anyone, even in Early Z, getting hit by that is saying their prayers.
You just proved my speculation on Gai distorting Space might be hyperbole as Madara couldnt give a clear depiction on Gais speed. No one in early Z is getting hurt by Gai as they can tank Moon busting and to the Vegeta Saga survive Planet Busting. Raditz is able to outmanuver Gokus KHH which is superior in every way to Roshis. Gais start up might be faster than Teleportation but not superior as Madara could atleast know it was comming. If Gai cant bust a moon,He aint posing a threat to early Z. Hes staying with DB,Likley losing or have trouble to Roshi and piccolo Damaio (busting cities with the wave of his hand) and loses to 23rd budakai piccolo jr and Goku (All they need to do is predict a direction and shoot a ki blast not to mention GAI Will most likley get tricked by a after image so that one time space bending technique will most likley be for nothing). Your acting like DB hasnt faced any with Space/Time abilities.Some 1 as inexpiranced as Gohan survived Guldo (Can disrupt time).
Hyperbole? He literally bends space with his speed in order to bypass Madara's defences and get devastating hits in. Gai is fast enough to launch himself at them and catch them off-guard before they even finish charging a regular energy attack. Teleportation is ridiculously fast, and Gai is faster than that. The only reason Gohan survived his encounter with Guldo is because Vegeta was there. He pressured Guldo, but that's only because Guldo was out-of-shape and hardly a great fighter.
Yet Guldo is much more powerful than Gai. His start up speed seems faster, but its not faster than teleportation Kid Goku is able to move so fast no one (Not even the most trained martial artist) could see him,He would obviously kill GAI as he wouldnt know whats going on. Every Mid to High Tier in DB can perform an after image (A technique in which the user moves so fast they leave an image of thereselves) Gai can only distort space once and in a very short burst, Since people in DB Can react to some thing and perform after images as fast as IT,IM or GS Than they can do it to Gai once he hits a fake Roshi he'll be on the ground dead and hit with a khh. Afterimages as fast as Shunkan Ido? Where did you get that idea from?
Gai is faster than teleportation and was distorting space throughout his fight with Madara; he kept on getting hits that bypassed Madara's defences and did massive damage.
So Roshi can charge and launch a Kamehameha, hitting his opponent with it, all in less than a second?
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that. Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage
They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster Wait im confused,are you saying yellow flash is faster than Instant transmission and Instantanious movement cause i doubt it as Kakashi in the early arcs said Obitos Teleportation>Yellow Flash and IT and IM seems faster as well.
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that. Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage
They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A.
Fighter B >~ Fighter A
Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A
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@nagito gai is not faster than teleportation. He is fast enough to look like he is teleporting when moving short distances. That being said, no one is dbz can move fast enough to distort space
The Raikage was keeping up with Minato when he was using Hiraishin. NTCM Naruto was faster than the Raikage, then Bijuu Mode Naruto was much faster than NTCM Naruto. Kakashi could follow Bijuu Mode Naruto and catch him with his Kamui, while Gai (7th Gate) was shown to be as fast or faster than Kakashi. Opening the 8th Gate, Gai got exponentially faster than that. Gai (8th Gate) >>> Bijuu Mode Naruto > Gai (7th Gate) ~ Kakashi (War Arc) >? Minato (Hiraishin) >? NTCM Naruto > Raikage
They can keep up with a teleporter. That's all it means. On small playing fields, teleporting and super speed can virtually be the same thing. No matter what, Minato's technique is still infinitely faster
If Fighter A can keep up with Fighter B, who's using teleportation, and follow him effectively across the battlefield for their entire fight, wouldn't you say that Fighter A is almost as fast as teleportation? After all, he has to judge where Fighter B is going to end up and get to that position. Then Fighter C comes along, who's vastly superior to Fighter A. Fighter B >~ Fighter A Fighter C >/>> Fighter B >~ Fighter A It just shows how good of a reaction they have to Teleportation, like you said before A was keeping up with Minato even with teleporting and we all know A is slower than Mid DB speedsters like Roshi.
If Gais speed is slower than teleportation than they shouldnt have any problem considering 3 things.
1.)What i stated above 2.)They would most likley survive as madara Durability is under Multi Mountain busting 3.)Gai will die once he reaches that speed
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