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Dec 31 2014, 10:06 PM
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@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?
Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*
Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol
Seriously think....
In case you didn't see it  What do you call that? That's what an extremely exhausted Gai who can't even stand on his own feet can do with a punch. I guess that's a weak punch since he's not a DB character and doesn't use energy beams though. As for the highlighted part...but according to you that's what DB characters pull of since they hurt each other fighting. Have you never noticed most fighting involves punching and kicking? Why do their attacks do damage? If they're blatantly not as powerful as a moon busting beam that's because punches and whatever else don't have to be. How do you not see that? You're the one that needs to think here. You don't need to use a moon busting punch to hurt someone who didn't get killed by a moon busting beam, it might not make sense but that's so obviously how it works in DB and always has energy attacks are a thing because they do significantly more damage and if you notice most of the time they miss or are used on people who effortlessly tank the physical hits of a much weaker character anyway which is why they are used instead.
Hirudora is a taijutsu which consist of time and a Tiger hand seal, its not just a punch, its Taijutsu. Arale punches with moonbusting power yet her punches didnt flat out kill General blue and shes weak against anyone in the 23rd budakai as Toriyama only had her bit stronger than kid goku.
Can you explain why Gai describes it as 'a very fast punch'? Yes it was a very fast punch, but it was still Taijutsu, it takes just as long to prep the S. Water shark Bomb as he atleast needed concentration and a hand seal to perform it. He cant just throw hirudora out his a***. Also arales punch>>>>>Any physical attack in naruto yet people in mid db survive her punches.
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Dec 31 2014, 10:12 PM
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@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?
Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*
Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol
Seriously think....
In case you didn't see it  What do you call that? That's what an extremely exhausted Gai who can't even stand on his own feet can do with a punch. I guess that's a weak punch since he's not a DB character and doesn't use energy beams though. As for the highlighted part...but according to you that's what DB characters pull of since they hurt each other fighting. Have you never noticed most fighting involves punching and kicking? Why do their attacks do damage? If they're blatantly not as powerful as a moon busting beam that's because punches and whatever else don't have to be. How do you not see that? You're the one that needs to think here. You don't need to use a moon busting punch to hurt someone who didn't get killed by a moon busting beam, it might not make sense but that's so obviously how it works in DB and always has energy attacks are a thing because they do significantly more damage and if you notice most of the time they miss or are used on people who effortlessly tank the physical hits of a much weaker character anyway which is why they are used instead.
Hirudora is a taijutsu which consist of time and a Tiger hand seal, its not just a punch, its Taijutsu. Arale punches with moonbusting power yet her punches didnt flat out kill General blue and shes weak against anyone in the 23rd budakai as Toriyama only had her bit stronger than kid goku.
Can you explain why Gai describes it as 'a very fast punch'?
Yes it was a very fast punch, but it was still Taijutsu, it takes just as long to prep the S. Water shark Bomb as he atleast needed concentration and a hand seal to perform it. He cant just throw hirudora out his a***. Also arales punch>>>>>Any physical attack in naruto yet people in mid db survive her punches. All we see is Gai jump up, do the hand seal and then launch Hirudora. There's hardly any prep time, and even if we were to say that a non-prep punch is weaker, it would still be much stronger than anything we've been shown in DB
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Dec 31 2014, 10:20 PM
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@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?
Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*
Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol
Seriously think....
In case you didn't see it  What do you call that? That's what an extremely exhausted Gai who can't even stand on his own feet can do with a punch. I guess that's a weak punch since he's not a DB character and doesn't use energy beams though. As for the highlighted part...but according to you that's what DB characters pull of since they hurt each other fighting. Have you never noticed most fighting involves punching and kicking? Why do their attacks do damage? If they're blatantly not as powerful as a moon busting beam that's because punches and whatever else don't have to be. How do you not see that? You're the one that needs to think here. You don't need to use a moon busting punch to hurt someone who didn't get killed by a moon busting beam, it might not make sense but that's so obviously how it works in DB and always has energy attacks are a thing because they do significantly more damage and if you notice most of the time they miss or are used on people who effortlessly tank the physical hits of a much weaker character anyway which is why they are used instead.
Hirudora is a taijutsu which consist of time and a Tiger hand seal, its not just a punch, its Taijutsu. Arale punches with moonbusting power yet her punches didnt flat out kill General blue and shes weak against anyone in the 23rd budakai as Toriyama only had her bit stronger than kid goku.
Can you explain why Gai describes it as 'a very fast punch'?
Yes it was a very fast punch, but it was still Taijutsu, it takes just as long to prep the S. Water shark Bomb as he atleast needed concentration and a hand seal to perform it. He cant just throw hirudora out his a***. Also arales punch>>>>>Any physical attack in naruto yet people in mid db survive her punches.
All we see is Gai jump up, do the hand seal and then launch Hirudora. There's hardly any prep time, and even if we were to say that a non-prep punch is weaker, it would still be much stronger than anything we've been shown in DB Arales punch>>>>Hirudora or Evening Elephant. She is only>>Kid Goku. General blue survived her punches showing that Db can take a punch of that caliber. Dosent matter how you slice it, they can tank hirudora. Hirudora wasnt just launched out the a***, from what we saw he concentrated saying otherwise is speculation, its a fast punch with prep.
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Dec 31 2014, 10:32 PM
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@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?
Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*
Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol
Seriously think....
In case you didn't see it  What do you call that? That's what an extremely exhausted Gai who can't even stand on his own feet can do with a punch. I guess that's a weak punch since he's not a DB character and doesn't use energy beams though. As for the highlighted part...but according to you that's what DB characters pull of since they hurt each other fighting. Have you never noticed most fighting involves punching and kicking? Why do their attacks do damage? If they're blatantly not as powerful as a moon busting beam that's because punches and whatever else don't have to be. How do you not see that? You're the one that needs to think here. You don't need to use a moon busting punch to hurt someone who didn't get killed by a moon busting beam, it might not make sense but that's so obviously how it works in DB and always has energy attacks are a thing because they do significantly more damage and if you notice most of the time they miss or are used on people who effortlessly tank the physical hits of a much weaker character anyway which is why they are used instead.
Hirudora is a taijutsu which consist of time and a Tiger hand seal, its not just a punch, its Taijutsu. Arale punches with moonbusting power yet her punches didnt flat out kill General blue and shes weak against anyone in the 23rd budakai as Toriyama only had her bit stronger than kid goku.
Can you explain why Gai describes it as 'a very fast punch'?
Yes it was a very fast punch, but it was still Taijutsu, it takes just as long to prep the S. Water shark Bomb as he atleast needed concentration and a hand seal to perform it. He cant just throw hirudora out his a***. Also arales punch>>>>>Any physical attack in naruto yet people in mid db survive her punches.
All we see is Gai jump up, do the hand seal and then launch Hirudora. There's hardly any prep time, and even if we were to say that a non-prep punch is weaker, it would still be much stronger than anything we've been shown in DB
Arales punch>>>>Hirudora or Evening Elephant. She is only>>Kid Goku. General blue survived her punches showing that Db can take a punch of that caliber. Dosent matter how you slice it, they can tank hirudora. Hirudora wasnt just launched out the a***, from what we saw he concentrated saying otherwise is speculation, its a fast punch with prep. It's really strange, we never see anything like Arale's punch again. Almost like it's an outlier...
Heck, let's go your route;
Gai's punch (w\concentration) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku's punch (@Chi-Chi)
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Dec 31 2014, 10:37 PM
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I like the way you actually have to go to another manga to show your point. Since nothing actually exists in the original manga to support it.
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Dec 31 2014, 10:39 PM
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Arale is a gag character...she's not even from Dragon Ball.
As if everyone more powerful than her can do a similar feat that's ridiculous.
And no Hirudora is just a punch the Tiger seal is just there because it's a Shounen and has to look cool it couldn't just be some lame jab hence why Morning Peacock also has the peacock tail-like shape of fireballs and Night Moth has the mad dragon thing.
You've seen what the 8th Gate can do with a punch 7th is one step back only he has to hold back in the series because he's not sacrificing himself unless he goes 8th Gate.
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Dec 31 2014, 10:49 PM
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I like the way you actually have to go to another manga to show your point. Since nothing actually exists in the original manga to support it. She is still cannon to Dragonball so dont get mad that i just proved that DB can withstand punches like that.
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Dec 31 2014, 10:57 PM
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lol what makes you think I'm mad? I find no reason to incorporate feats from a separate gag manga. Reading up on Kazenshuu, the place that considers everything that comes from Toriyama's as the work of a god, consider Dr Slump non-canon to the original work (ie it has no affect on the timeline).
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Dec 31 2014, 11:05 PM
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lol what makes you think I'm mad? I find no reason to incorporate feats from a separate gag manga. Reading up on Kazenshuu, the place that considers everything that comes from Toriyama's as the work of a god, consider Dr Slump non-canon to the original work (ie it has no affect on the timeline). Kazzenshuu is a forum, thats like us saying Slump aint cannon. Arale appeared in both anime and manga, slump is cannon to the series.
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Dec 31 2014, 11:09 PM
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And we never see any feats like that in the DBZ series, so the feat you're talking about is irrelevant. Why would Roshi be impressed with Goku's punch against Chi-Chi if they could do that?
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Dec 31 2014, 11:19 PM
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And we never see any feats like that in the DBZ series, so the feat you're talking about is irrelevant. Why would Roshi be impressed with Goku's punch against Chi-Chi if they could do that? Im talking about durability wise. Araleis relevant to the series as she was showned in the manga, her feats from her manga count as both of Toriyamas projects tie in with one another. General Blue was beaten by her and his shame was continued as he wanted to redem himself by fighting Tao, causing his death. Arale caused alot in the manga as she was one of the main reasons why the red ribbon army lost there best soldier. She is in the db timeline. Arale has the strength to crack a big portion of earth, yet characters such as blue survive. What is gai going to do to 23rd TB Goku, whose surpassed arale in all areas exept brute strength.
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Dec 31 2014, 11:27 PM
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And we never see any feats like that in the DBZ series, so the feat you're talking about is irrelevant. Why would Roshi be impressed with Goku's punch against Chi-Chi if they could do that?
Im talking about durability wise. Araleis relevant to the series as she was showned in the manga, her feats from her manga count as both of Toriyamas projects tie in with one another. General Blue was beaten by her and his shame was continued as he wanted to redem himself by fighting Tao, causing his death. Arale caused alot in the manga as she was one of the main reasons why the red ribbon army lost there best soldier. She is in the db timeline. Arale has the strength to crack a big portion of earth, yet characters such as blue survive. What is gai going to do to 23rd TB Goku, whose surpassed arale in all areas exept brute strength. Yet we don't see anything like it again until very late in the series ..
I'd rather go by what's actually in the manga to try and stay a bit consistent instead of forcing in this inconsistent feat that has no place there
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Dec 31 2014, 11:30 PM
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I have a question. Since toriyama seems to take gag feats seriously shouldn't we take them seriously too then?
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Dec 31 2014, 11:32 PM
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I have a question. Since toriyama seems to take gag feats seriously shouldn't we take them seriously too then? Even if we go down that route, the feat is still inconsistent with what we see from most of the series.
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Dec 31 2014, 11:33 PM
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I have a question. Since toriyama seems to take gag feats seriously shouldn't we take them seriously too then? Not if they're from a gag manga that Toriyama didn't even say was canon like for BoG.
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