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Gai (7th Gate) takes on Dragonball
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 12:16 AM (7,633 Views)
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How far do you think he makes it? Are any of the characters able to withstand his punches?

Considering the nature of his signature attack, Hirudora, I doubt it;

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King Kakarot
Dec 31 2014, 06:56 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 06:51 PM
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Energy is Energy it doesn't matter if it's in the form of a ki blast it's still energy
yes I agree it shouldn't matter if it's coming from an energy beam or a punch. But it does in dbz and other shows because that's the way the author wanted it
And in comics it works the same way like Db

Thanos can survive in supermassive black holes yet the likes of Hulk can cause him pain physically yet hulk isn't destroying solar systems with his physical strength you know why because

Aoe =/= Attack Potency

These double standards when it comes to Db is atrocious
All you proved is, like dbz characters, thanos doesn't withstand melee attacks as well as energy based attacks and explosions and other stuff
IT'S CHEESE
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You really need to change your attitude, King Kakarot. Christ, you haven't changed at all since probation.
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Now THANOS has split durability lmfao

Hulk who can tear planets apart physically and can harm Thanos

I could have sworn Zues destroyed Hulk physically and only wrecked a few pillars and he's a skyfather

So I guess Hulk doesn't handle meele attacks well either right?

Split durability is a joke of an excuse
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King Kakarot
Dec 31 2014, 06:56 PM
@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?

Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*



Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol


Seriously think....
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What do you call that? That's what an extremely exhausted Gai who can't even stand on his own feet can do with a punch.
I guess that's a weak punch since he's not a DB character and doesn't use energy beams though.


As for the highlighted part...but according to you that's what DB characters pull of since they hurt each other fighting. Have you never noticed most fighting involves punching and kicking?
Why do their attacks do damage? If they're blatantly not as powerful as a moon busting beam that's because punches and whatever else don't have to be.

How do you not see that? You're the one that needs to think here.
You don't need to use a moon busting punch to hurt someone who didn't get killed by a moon busting beam, it might not make sense but that's so obviously how it works in DB and always has energy attacks are a thing because they do significantly more damage and if you notice most of the time they miss or are used on people who effortlessly tank the physical hits of a much weaker character anyway which is why they are used instead.
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Please put those panels to spoiler tag damn :/

As for the topic

Guy would be stop right after 23 budokai goku, and that is max

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Once again you're arguing for split durability

And have no idea how energy actually works

You're implying Gai can hurt Raditz based on that attack which is simply false

Small planet durability vs an attack that is what island lvl?

Do you not see the difference in magnitude between his attack and Raditz durability?

There is no such thing as having weaker durability towards physical attacks than to energy attacks unless it's a stated weakeness

So I have a question for you If someone survives a galaxy lvl blast do you think you can throw him into a couple mountains he'll feel it because it's a physical attack?

Or better yet if a truck is going at 100mph do you think he'll feel it because its a physical attack?
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Where do you get all these terms from? 'island level', moon level', 'planet level' etc. Are they official terms and proven by mangakas in mangas?
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Dec 31 2014, 07:20 PM
Where do you get all these terms from? 'island level', moon level', 'planet level' etc. Are they official terms and proven by mangakas in mangas?
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You know when Piccolo vaporized the moon and Raditz tanked said attack that gives Raditz moon++(small planet planet) durability right? And so on and so forth
Edited by King Kakarot, Dec 31 2014, 07:26 PM.
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Dec 31 2014, 07:26 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 07:20 PM
Where do you get all these terms from? 'island level', moon level', 'planet level' etc. Are they official terms and proven by mangakas in mangas?
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You know when Piccolo vaporized the moon and Raditz tanked said attack that gives Raditz moon++(small planet planet) durability right? And so on and so forth
Okay, but how can you prove it using that logic at any given point? Seems inconsistent to me, and on top of that you confidently say you've "debunked" or "proven someone wrong" several times like the debate is over. That's not a good way to debate, makes everybody feel incredibly annoyed.
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Dec 31 2014, 07:28 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 07:26 PM
Emmeth
Dec 31 2014, 07:20 PM
Where do you get all these terms from? 'island level', moon level', 'planet level' etc. Are they official terms and proven by mangakas in mangas?
....

You know when Piccolo vaporized the moon and Raditz tanked said attack that gives Raditz moon++(small planet planet) durability right? And so on and so forth
Okay, but how can you prove it using that logic at any given point? Seems inconsistent to me, and on top of that you confidently say you've "debunked" or "proven someone wrong" several times like the debate is over. That's not a good way to debate, makes everybody feel incredibly annoyed.
I'm sorry if you feel annoyed it isn't my intention

But I just call bull when I see it

Anyways im done with this topic

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''Goku punched the air so fast that he knocked Chi-Chi out of the ring!''
''Gai punched the air so fast he created an unbelievably huge crater in the ground!''

Air pressure from punches exists in both series. Otherwise, why would Toriyama show it to us twice?
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Dec 31 2014, 07:18 PM
Once again you're arguing for split durability

And have no idea how energy actually works

You're implying Gai can hurt Raditz based on that attack which is simply false

Small planet durability vs an attack that is what island lvl?

Do you not see the difference in magnitude between his attack and Raditz durability?

There is no such thing as having weaker durability towards physical attacks than to energy attacks unless it's a stated weakeness

So I have a question for you If someone survives a galaxy lvl blast do you think you can throw him into a couple mountains he'll feel it because it's a physical attack?

Or better yet if a truck is going at 100mph do you think he'll feel it because its a physical attack?
You seem to have no idea that Gai isn't using an energy attack and that since physical attacks hurt DB characters then Gai's should obviously hurt too.

What are you not getting about that?

And yes it definitely could hurt Raditz, Goku and Piccolo managed to despite being like half as powerful, they didn't need to use moon+ busting attacks to damage him, even if it was only slight their punches hurt him.
Even though they weren't hitting hard enough to do the massive damage Gai does from what clearly can't be that large a thrust if he done it from a restricted position.

Most likely he basically does the One Inch Punch and it has that much force.


And no but we're not talking about people who can tank attacks that powerful are we? That's an irrelevant point.
Nobody at all has said EVERY physical attack hurts them to a great degree...

Or are you suggesting Gai's punch has only the power of a car going at 100mph because that's hilarious.
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The surrounding area is enough to say how much damage an attack does. That's the author's intention. Anything else is just fan scaling to keep DBZ competitive in other versus.

The area of effect excuse doesn't work; there isn't enough evidence for it. You'd need one attack where area of effect for physical strikes wouldn't come into play - e.g. Gotenks throwing Boo into the Earth. If Gotenks was held back by area of effect then in this case Boo would have went straight through the Earth instead of just making a pretty big crater. We know the same attack would have destroyed SPC who is supposed to at least destroy a star (or in DBZ w*** terminology "star level").

A split between physical and beam strength is consistent through fiction. Including DC, Marvel, etc. It keeps fights interesting. It's not just split durability which is only a subset of split physical and beam strength.

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Dec 31 2014, 07:12 PM
King Kakarot
Dec 31 2014, 06:56 PM
@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?

Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*



Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol


Seriously think....
In case you didn't see it

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What do you call that? That's what an extremely exhausted Gai who can't even stand on his own feet can do with a punch.
I guess that's a weak punch since he's not a DB character and doesn't use energy beams though.


As for the highlighted part...but according to you that's what DB characters pull of since they hurt each other fighting. Have you never noticed most fighting involves punching and kicking?
Why do their attacks do damage? If they're blatantly not as powerful as a moon busting beam that's because punches and whatever else don't have to be.

How do you not see that? You're the one that needs to think here.
You don't need to use a moon busting punch to hurt someone who didn't get killed by a moon busting beam, it might not make sense but that's so obviously how it works in DB and always has energy attacks are a thing because they do significantly more damage and if you notice most of the time they miss or are used on people who effortlessly tank the physical hits of a much weaker character anyway which is why they are used instead.
Hirudora is a taijutsu which consist of time and a Tiger hand seal, its not just a punch, its Taijutsu.
Arale punches with moonbusting power yet her punches didnt flat out kill General blue and shes weak against anyone in the 23rd budakai as Toriyama only had her bit stronger than kid goku.
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Dec 31 2014, 09:45 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 07:12 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 06:56 PM
@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?

Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*



Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol


Seriously think....
In case you didn't see it

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What do you call that? That's what an extremely exhausted Gai who can't even stand on his own feet can do with a punch.
I guess that's a weak punch since he's not a DB character and doesn't use energy beams though.


As for the highlighted part...but according to you that's what DB characters pull of since they hurt each other fighting. Have you never noticed most fighting involves punching and kicking?
Why do their attacks do damage? If they're blatantly not as powerful as a moon busting beam that's because punches and whatever else don't have to be.

How do you not see that? You're the one that needs to think here.
You don't need to use a moon busting punch to hurt someone who didn't get killed by a moon busting beam, it might not make sense but that's so obviously how it works in DB and always has energy attacks are a thing because they do significantly more damage and if you notice most of the time they miss or are used on people who effortlessly tank the physical hits of a much weaker character anyway which is why they are used instead.
Hirudora is a taijutsu which consist of time and a Tiger hand seal, its not just a punch, its Taijutsu.
Arale punches with moonbusting power yet her punches didnt flat out kill General blue and shes weak against anyone in the 23rd budakai as Toriyama only had her bit stronger than kid goku.
Can you explain why Gai describes it as 'a very fast punch'?
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