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Gai (7th Gate) takes on Dragonball
Topic Started: Dec 21 2014, 12:16 AM (7,634 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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Izanagi!

How far do you think he makes it? Are any of the characters able to withstand his punches?

Considering the nature of his signature attack, Hirudora, I doubt it;

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King Kakarot
Dec 31 2014, 12:26 PM
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Dec 30 2014, 09:55 PM
King Kakarot
Dec 30 2014, 08:28 PM
So what's going on now?

His punch isn't too impressive as I already pointed out so is there a consensus on where he stops?

It looks like he gets up to Raditz at most
How about we use the kind of scaling logic you use?

Gai's punch > any punch in DB
DB punches hurt DB characters < Gai's punch so DB character = dead

So that means if he used KHH by scaling he'd be >>>>>>> DB

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If DB characters don't need energy attacks to beat each other then why the hell should Gai?
Stop with the bias because it's just stupid it doesn't matter how much you like DB/DBZ/GT they don't beat everything.
You so sound upset(not my fault Gai is weaksauce)

I already have proven his punch won't even f***ing phaze 23rd Goku (the one with moon lvl durability)

He'd break his fists on Goku

So unless Gai has something other than that crater punch he's not scratching Goku at all get over it

The crater attack is not bypassing his durability

Db characters are >>>>>>>>>>> Gai tho lol

Bias? I've already proven why Gai doesn't get far in DB he gets torn apart by fodder you need to realize sure Db doesn't beat everything I never said they did but other characters like Gai are completely f***ing fodder compared to DB
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No you haven't pretty much all you say is say "No, whatever DBZ character is in this topic automatically wins"

You haven't even read Naruto...


Where did you "prove" anything.
Gai would break his fists on Goku?
Where is the proof here?

Everything you say is fact because that's what you think?
You pretty much never post any evidence dude.

It took Frieza Saga for anybody to be able to a physical attack close to Gai so no try again Dragon Ball characters can blow stuff up that's it their physical strength is fairly weak.
Beams in the series are only good against either slow people the character is stronger than or when the other character fires an attack which can be overpowered.

A beam isn't an appopriate counter to being hit by shockwaves or kicked in the face.


Also lol I'm not upset I just find it funny that you know basically nothing about Naruto but apparently talk facts about it.
Edited by Steve, Dec 31 2014, 04:49 PM.
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If you go back a couple of pages I already proved this

I said if Gai punch was island lvl when it's clearly not that still wouldn't be enough to scratch 23rd Goku who has moon lvl durability

That's using facts

Hurting Raditz the guy with small planet durability with your fists is already a better feat than Gai's by a landslide

Gai is fodder and always will be just like everyone in Naruto compared to DB

Hurting people with moon lvl durability takes a s*** load more energy to do than making a crater in the ground
Edited by King Kakarot, Dec 31 2014, 06:03 PM.
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@king kakarot you're missing an important thing though. They don't take energy based attacks and explosions the same way as physical attacks. We don't know why but that's the way it is. It doesn't have to make sense. All we know is that toriyama put emphasis on the damage their physical attacks do and that damage is not even comparable to their energy based attacks
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Dec 31 2014, 06:17 PM
@king kakarot you're missing an important thing though. They don't take energy based attacks and explosions the same way as physical attacks. We don't know why but that's the way it is. It doesn't have to make sense. All we know is that toriyama put emphasis on the damage their physical attacks do and that damage is not even comparable to their energy based attacks
Holy s***

Do you people not understand what Area of effect =/= attack potency is?

Stop looking at environmental feats and look at the characters striking strength

Example:

Beerus has solar system durability and Goku can cause him physical pain with his punches yet at the same time Goku has never destroyed a solar system with his punch does that mean Goku striking strength is below multi star lvl?

Area of effect =/= attack potency

Gai's attack via w***ing it to island lvl still isn't enough to hurt moon lvl characters not even close

Hurting people with moon,planet,star heck even country lvl durability physically are all better feats than Gai's
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Dec 31 2014, 06:24 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 06:17 PM
@king kakarot you're missing an important thing though. They don't take energy based attacks and explosions the same way as physical attacks. We don't know why but that's the way it is. It doesn't have to make sense. All we know is that toriyama put emphasis on the damage their physical attacks do and that damage is not even comparable to their energy based attacks
Holy s***

Do you people not understand what Area of effect =/= attack potency is?

Stop looking at environmental feats and look at the characters striking strength

Example:

Beerus has solar system durability and Goku can cause him physical pain with his punches yet at the same time Goku has never destroyed a solar system with his punch does that mean Goku striking strength is below multi star lvl?

Area of effect =/= attack potency

Gai's attack via w***ing it to island lvl still isn't enough to hurt moon lvl characters not even close

Hurting people with moon,planet,star heck even country lvl durability physically are all better feats than Gai's
...you do realize striking strength creates area's of effect? That's how physics works, Gai makes massive shockwaves because that's how hard he punches...

So no you proved nothing you compared a punch to an energy attack even though it's pretty damn well established that punches hurt DB characters even though they're not moon busting.

And as I said before(not sure if in this thread) just because someone can launch an attack doesn't mean they can survive it with ease energy attacks scale up much higher than their non focused PL.


And again I ask if you need to be doing massive busting attacks to do damage why do they have hand to hand fights at all? And if their punches have to equal their beam strength...why do they use beams at all?


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^While being held still and is completely exhausted that's how much force he can exert.
Show me that happening in Dragon Ball...
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@king kakarot beerus has solar system durability towards energy based attacks not physical attacks. When it's shown that they withstand energy blasts that are much stronger than the punches that are much weaker but still hurting them, then we know that they have a split durability and we can't use their durability in terms of energy attacks to determine how durable they are against physical attacks
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It's almost like people don't understand what I type

THE SURROUNDING AREA IS NOT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF HOW STRONG AN ATTACK IS

Freeza's death beams do the same thing

Holy s***

That attack isn't moon lvl it didn't hurt someone who was moon lvl so it's not phasing 23rd Goku

@ssj3 Split durability is not a f***ing thing its for people who have no idea how energy works

Beerus physical durability isn't OCTILLIONS of times weaker than his energy durability

Absolutely ridiculous

So no Gai would break every single bpne if he ever tried punching raditz let alone Beerus who has sola system durability
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Dec 31 2014, 06:39 PM
It's almost like people don't understand what I type

THE SURROUNDING AREA IS NOT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF HOW STRONG AN ATTACK IS

Freeza's death beams do the same thing

Holy s***

That attack isn't moon lvl it didn't hurt someone who was moon lvl so it's not phasing 23rd Goku

That only applies to energy based attacks though because they can condense them. They can't do that with physical attacks unless you can somehow prove it which I doubt
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Dec 31 2014, 06:40 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 06:39 PM
It's almost like people don't understand what I type

THE SURROUNDING AREA IS NOT AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF HOW STRONG AN ATTACK IS

Freeza's death beams do the same thing

Holy s***

That attack isn't moon lvl it didn't hurt someone who was moon lvl so it's not phasing 23rd Goku

That only applies to energy based attacks though because they can condense them. They can't do that with physical attacks unless you can somehow prove it which I doubt
For the love of.......

They hurt people with thier fists that have moon lvl durability its that simple

Energy is Energy it doesn't matter if it's in the form of a ki blast it's still energy

Like is said before if something tanked a blast of 20 supernovas you think you can physically harm since his physical durability is lower than his energy durability?

No.you need star lvl+ striking strength to f***ing harm this guy
Edited by King Kakarot, Dec 31 2014, 06:47 PM.
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Seems to me you're grasping at straws, KK.
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Dec 31 2014, 06:45 PM
Seems to me you're grasping at straws, KK.
Seems to me you're not contributing to the conversation just picking sides
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Dec 31 2014, 06:48 PM
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Dec 31 2014, 06:45 PM
Seems to me you're grasping at straws, KK.
Seems to me you're not contributing to the conversation just picking sides
Disprove Steve's last scan without bringing in environmental damage. It seems to me that the scan is more about Gai's pure power than environmental.
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Energy is Energy it doesn't matter if it's in the form of a ki blast it's still energy
yes I agree it shouldn't matter if it's coming from an energy beam or a punch. But it does in dbz and other shows because that's the way the author wanted it
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

Seriously King Kakarot do you honestly think punches in DB are as powerful as the energy attacks people use? They'd be totally redundant if so, why use an energy attack if your punch does the same amount of damage or near enough?

Ki attacks are just a faster way of finishing someone off, punches still hurt them.
If someone can survive a mountain busting explosion they can't survive hundreds of mountain busting punches...

Even if a punch is 10% as strong as a blast it's still going to do significant damage with multiple hits.


Also I love how you said not to pay attention to area damage yet you're talking about moon and mountain busters constantly.
So it's alright when you focus solely on how much area damage an attack does to gauge it's strength?
Come on...
Edited by Steve, Dec 31 2014, 06:57 PM.
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Dec 31 2014, 06:51 PM
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Energy is Energy it doesn't matter if it's in the form of a ki blast it's still energy
yes I agree it shouldn't matter if it's coming from an energy beam or a punch. But it does in dbz and other shows because that's the way the author wanted it
And in comics it works the same way like Db

Thanos can survive in supermassive black holes yet the likes of Hulk can cause him pain physically yet hulk isn't destroying solar systems with his physical strength you know why because

Aoe =/= Attack Potency

These double standards when it comes to Db is atrocious

@ steve do you even know what you're talking about?

Surviving a mountain explosion isn't the same as surviving hundreds of mountain busting explosions because *GASP*

Surviving hundreds of mountain busting punches takes more energy to do lol

Seriously think....
Edited by King Kakarot, Dec 31 2014, 07:01 PM.
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