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Immortality in DBZ
Topic Started: Dec 20 2014, 02:30 PM (1,550 Views)
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superperfectnerd
Dec 23 2014, 12:10 AM
I don't see why he wouldn't get zenkais if it works by increasing his power from damage. The whole near death thing is just an easier way of saying "massive damage to his cells and when they repair, they repair stronger so he can't suffer the same harm again". It's a biological defence mechanism, not some mystical thing where his body recognizes he nearly died, it'd recognize the damage that nearly caused his death. They aren't the same, there's a distinction to be made. Take Cell for example. When he blew himself up he took massive damage but he was not close to death at all because his body is designed to survive that. He still received his zenkai.

Freeza flying him into space and leaving him there is a good point though. Although technically Freeza could have done that to a mortal Goku to get rid of him and he didn't.
The difference is that at the time when Goku was actually a threat, he was too strong for him and would fight him the way up. Plus, Freeza also respected him at this point as a warrior, as Goku says the only reason Freeza didn't instantly blow up the planet was because he wanted to fight him as a warrior and Freeza gives a little smile at this claim.

Vegeta getting a zenkai is going to do nothing but make Freeza power up to five percent and proceed to drag him into space or just blow up the planet. Freeza has jacks*** in terms of respect towards Vegeta, so he's not going to delay on that
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İf he's immortal, he can get a lot of zenkai's all the time.. Because he is immortal, he can't die. Ribs broken, virtal organs broken, recovery and here your zenkai.

İt sounds illogical but its pretty logical of you ask me.
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Dec 23 2014, 02:19 AM
İf he's immortal, he can get a lot of zenkai's all the time.. Because he is immortal, he can't die. Ribs broken, virtal organs broken, recovery and here your zenkai.

İt sounds illogical but its pretty logical of you ask me.
You think Freeza is going to be stupid enough to give him more than one zenkai? Even one will make him resort to planet blowing or dragging into space.

Also, there's the idea that there's a limit on Zenkais, given how Vegeta didn't get stronger after Cell snapped his spine and left him a broken pile on the ground
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He probably did get stronger but the zenkais weren't as potent after Namek. Either that or he was just out cold and not actually that badly damaged. Trunks was waiting for him to lose conciousness but he wouldn't just stand there and watch his father take hits that could kill him to protect his pride.
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Dec 23 2014, 02:36 AM
Don Alex
Dec 23 2014, 02:19 AM
İf he's immortal, he can get a lot of zenkai's all the time.. Because he is immortal, he can't die. Ribs broken, virtal organs broken, recovery and here your zenkai.

İt sounds illogical but its pretty logical of you ask me.
You think Freeza is going to be stupid enough to give him more than one zenkai? Even one will make him resort to planet blowing or dragging into space.

Also, there's the idea that there's a limit on Zenkais, given how Vegeta didn't get stronger after Cell snapped his spine and left him a broken pile on the ground

Frieza did many stupid mistakes due the emotional battle between him and the Saiyans. Frieza isn't a robot unlike Cell or Buu. He is pretty emotional, so I assume that he would make this mistake too.
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Dec 23 2014, 02:56 PM
lazerbem
Dec 23 2014, 02:36 AM
Don Alex
Dec 23 2014, 02:19 AM
İf he's immortal, he can get a lot of zenkai's all the time.. Because he is immortal, he can't die. Ribs broken, virtal organs broken, recovery and here your zenkai.

İt sounds illogical but its pretty logical of you ask me.
You think Freeza is going to be stupid enough to give him more than one zenkai? Even one will make him resort to planet blowing or dragging into space.

Also, there's the idea that there's a limit on Zenkais, given how Vegeta didn't get stronger after Cell snapped his spine and left him a broken pile on the ground

Frieza did many stupid mistakes due the emotional battle between him and the Saiyans. Frieza isn't a robot unlike Cell or Buu. He is pretty emotional, so I assume that he would make this mistake too.
Yeah, but he knows when to stop joking. He powers up every single time Gohan hurt him, despite it being incredibly clear that it was just a burst of power.

Once Vegeta gets tougher, even once, and Freeza realizes he's not killing him, he'll nuke the planet. There won't be a timer as I doubt Freeza would want to test his mettle against an immortal foe
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He increased his power a little bit every time somebody over powered him. If he was smart and didn't want to torture his opponents with false hope and kill them slowly, he would have gone to like 70% final form power and nuked the planet straight away. I mean he was overpowered multiple times, new fighters kept showing up and those fighters were getting stronger and stronger and still he let his power creep up slowly until finally a fighter gained power that was stronger than his maximum could handle.
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But he was never facing someone who wouldn't die.

What do you think Freeza's going to do? Derp around as he watches Vegeta get stronger? He's not that cocky
Edited by lazerbem, Dec 23 2014, 04:41 PM.
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It's not about him being cocky. It's about how much fun he's having repeatedly breaking every one of Vegeta's bones and the fact he can't sense energy so would not know how f***ed he is until he's f***ed. I'm not saying that's definitely how it would go down. I'm just saying it's a possibility. Plus Vegeta now wouldn't need to breathe. So if Freeza destroys the planet and everything on it, it'll leave him and Vegeta floating about in the same place still fighting each other.
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Dec 23 2014, 05:34 PM
It's not about him being cocky. It's about how much fun he's having repeatedly breaking every one of Vegeta's bones and the fact he can't sense energy so would not know how f***ed he is until he's f***ed. I'm not saying that's definitely how it would go down. I'm just saying it's a possibility. Plus Vegeta now wouldn't need to breathe. So if Freeza destroys the planet and everything on it, it'll leave him and Vegeta floating about in the same place still fighting each other.
Freeza being unable to sense didn't stop him from picking up on the fact that Goku was holding back. Freeza shows remarkable perception in that regard. He'll realize Vegeta's gotten stronger when Vegeta blurts it out(along with claims he's a Super Saiyan)

And it's not the breathing, it's the fact that Freeza can call in his dad for a pick-up, toss Vegeta into a nearby star, bury him under the same amount of rubble that BOG Goku couldn't break out of, etc. Just ways to incapacitate him, one of which would be letting him float in space forever.

Hell, if Freeza is so inclined, he could just leave Namek and have Vegeta marooned there. Vegeta wouldn't be able to build a ship out, he's stuck there forever, since navigation in space would be nearly impossible for him.
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How would he call anyone? Does he keep a space phone somewhere on his naked body? Plus, maybe Vegeta could destroy the ship before it got everyone on board and took off. Leaving Vegeta, Freeza and Cold floating about. He coud throw Vegeta into a star but he's immortal, so even that wouldn't kill him. Bloody hurt though I guess.
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Dec 24 2014, 09:32 PM
How would he call anyone? Does he keep a space phone somewhere on his naked body? Plus, maybe Vegeta could destroy the ship before it got everyone on board and took off. Leaving Vegeta, Freeza and Cold floating about. He coud throw Vegeta into a star but he's immortal, so even that wouldn't kill him. Bloody hurt though I guess.
Cold showed up somehow, Freeza had to signal him in some fashion.

And how would Vegeta do that? Freeza could break his arms and legs and leave him a pile whilst he bails.

This is all assuming immortality gives you regeneration, if it doesn't, Vegeta is boned. Not to mention being immortal doesn't protect you from being koed by massive concussions, which Freeza can easily dole out.

And throwing into a star is going to leave him in a state of perpetual agony such that I doubt he'd ever escape
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Cold probably tracked his 'ki signal' in the rubble of Namek. I don't think Freeza called him. Could do, could not. It could make Vegeta completely immune to damage (then he'd never get a zenkai) or could give him instantaneous regeneration. We just don't know. We just don't know.
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I would think that Goku's training on his way to Namek, pushing himself super hard then using sensu beans to gain a zenkai is probably how immortality would work with Vegeta. The immortality would be the sensu beans and Vegeta would get a boost. Eventually he would have been stronger than Freeza no matter if he was kept in a dog cage or flying around space training.

Garlic Jr was the only one that received immortality and given that it was filler we don't have much to go off of. Freeza was smart he could have probably "outsmarted" Vegeta's immortality. I like the throwing him into the sun idea.

Maybe Vegeta just wouldn't die. Freeza and Coola both survived pretty sever wounds. Coola's head was just floating thru space chillin. Maybe thats what would have happened to him. Alive, but not well.
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