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| Why did Toei/Toriyama Want to Ruin Vegeta in the Kid Buu Saga Fight? | |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Dec 18 2014, 09:13 PM Post #1 |
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Vegeta has put the world in dire peril many times due to his delusional narcissism. Most times, he deserves what he gets. However, I thought all of the things that happened to Vegeta during the Kid Buu fight was overkill: (1) After seeing SSJ3 Goku fight evenly with Kid Buu in a fierce battle, Vegeta decides to take on Kid Buu in Base..... Somehow he thinks it's a good idea to attack a SSj3-tier villain in Base.... (2) Kid Buu is a willing punching bag for SSJ2 Goku but is completely serious for SSJ2 Vegeta..... (3) Toriyama/Toei want Vegeta to say that Goku is the best even though the only difference is that Goku had the opportunity to achieve SSJ3 in Otherworld... The SSJ2 fight demonstrated that they are equals, save for just SSJ3. Did any of these bug you? |
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| Ssj3 Vegeta | Dec 18 2014, 09:48 PM Post #2 |
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Yes all of them did bug me except the first one wich I wasent too annoyed at but the third one I almost couldn't beleive what I was hearing the first time watched it. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 18 2014, 10:12 PM Post #3 |
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1. Vegeta has always been an idiot in that respect, this isn't anything new 2. Kid Boo wasn't remotely serious, he's trolling Vegeta as hard as possible. Not like with Good Boo 3. Vegeta had to sell his soul to Babidi for that to work and is probably less skilled to boot. Goku wasn't going for the kill in the Majin Vegeta fight, if he was, he could have pulled IT spam like he did against Beers and done the Warp Kamehameha. None of these bug me because Vegeta getting beat up is par for course, it's kind of like Krillin getting owned and Goku unlocking a new power-up. It happens in every saga |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Dec 18 2014, 11:59 PM Post #4 |
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What I meant was that Kid Buu actually beat up SSj2 Vegeta, whereas SSJ2 Goku was allowed to land many hits. |
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| + Emmeth | Dec 19 2014, 02:03 AM Post #5 |
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They don't really bug me because by this time the Boo arc is a complete mess anyway. You do bring up some valid points however, and I'd like to say something about them: 1) It's in Vegeta's character to do this, because it's proven time and time again that he can only overestimate or underestimate foes. 2) Pure Boo vs SSJ2 Goku is anime-only, correct? Even so, you bring up a pretty good point because, but only because Vegeta has the most demeaning attitude in the entire show and maybe Boo picked up on this. 3) lazer covered my entire opinion on this, so I got nothing to add. |
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| + Kaboom | Dec 19 2014, 02:06 AM Post #6 |
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A little bit of final penance to pay while his character growth is peaking, I suppose. It also serves as a follow-up to his earlier sacrifice against Fat Boo. It shows that Vegeta's become selfless, and is willing to put himself in harm's way for the sake of others. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 19 2014, 02:09 AM Post #7 |
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![]() That should explain it. By the time Vegeta stepped in, the fight was far past that point. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Dec 19 2014, 03:12 AM Post #8 |
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In Toei land, transformations mean little. Just look at those filler battles with base Goku/Vegeta and Super Boo. And that filler battle that was SSJ Goku and Vegeta vs Gohan-Boo. And like, all of GT. Particularly hilarious was that part when Trunks decided to fight that super dragon fellow without even using SSJ. And when Goku fought Super #17 without even going SSJ2. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 19 2014, 06:15 AM Post #9 |
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The only explanation I can glean from the narrative is Vegeta's ki wasn't fully restored, so that may have hampered his ability to transform. Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P5.3 Context: after Vegeta says he’ll hold off Boo again, so Goku can prepare the Genki-Dama Goku: “You’ll sta-stall for time?…Yo-you’ve just been restored to life. Your ki still ain’t full, is it?!” |
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| Fearless Saiyajin | Dec 19 2014, 12:20 PM Post #10 |
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Akira Toriyama didn't ruin Vegeta. Toei did. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 19 2014, 01:14 PM Post #11 |
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That's debatable. If you'll recall, Vegeta did much better against Pure Boo in the anime than he did in the manga. He was able to land powerful hits and survive some of Boo's stronger onslaughts, which even Boo displayed utter shock over, and held out while being suffocated, smashed around, and electrocuted simultaneously. He was ended laughably without landing a single blow in the manga. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Dec 19 2014, 01:23 PM Post #12 |
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Toei made Vegeta beat SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo at the same time iirc. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 19 2014, 02:08 PM Post #13 |
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Indeed, Toei was very kind to Vegeta by making him actually anger Kid Boo and give the impression he's such a badass, he can survive an angry Kid Boo's hits. Of course, what actually happened was Boo smiling the entire time and Vegeta not getting back up even once |
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| DSTREET45 | Dec 20 2014, 04:37 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah cause this definitely ruined Vegeta's image. I think the beat-down he received beforehand made this even more badass and even then I think Vegeta was still able to get some hits in. As for the "you're the best thing" I thought it was there to show that Vegeta finally settled his difference with Goku and was willing to relax with the rivalry between them. But yeah Toei logic will drive a person insane. I was saying the same thing about Vegeta fighting in base. Edited by DSTREET45, Dec 20 2014, 04:38 AM.
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| lazerbem | Dec 20 2014, 01:51 PM Post #15 |
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That scene wasn't in the manga. Kid Boo tosses him around for a bit before choking him and Vegeta isn't saying anything and his thoughts are basically "How could Kakarot keep up with him?" Also, he did land one hit from surprise on Kid Boo, then he tried a ki storm, after that, he landed nothing. Toei was exceedingly kind to Vegeta compared to the a*** whooping in the manga |
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