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Topic Started: Dec 16 2014, 03:02 AM (520 Views)
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Does he have a god complex?

DISCLAIMER: I don't intend to offend anyone. I only want to examine Goku and DBZ; I do not want this to become a discussion of real world religion. I request that you do not stray from the subject

"God works in mysterious ways."

This is one particular explanation that some people (I have no idea who, certainly no one here) use to explain seemingly questionable acts performed by a god they believe in. I don't intend to discuss this belief as it applies to the real world, but I want to relate this sentiment to how Goku behaves and how his friends act towards him.

Ok, got that out of way.

Goku, in many ways is seen as omni-benevolent. On the surface, this may appear true. He is "pure of heart" and is always willing to put himself in danger for the sake of others (ostensibly). Despite this, he appoints himself as the ultimate authority on things beyond his control; brushing aside the opinions of his friends (who he seems to consider his lessers) in some of those cases.

Example #1:
Krillin has Vegeta at his mercy and is about to kill him. Goku tells Krillin not to for supremely self-centered reasons; he wants to fight him again someday. As a result, a whole village of innocent Namekians is slaughtered. Goku demands Krillin have blind in faith him, much as a god would.

Example #2:
Goku allows Freeza to power up to 100% for supremely self-centered reasons. He wants the thrill of fighting his hated enemy at full power. He gives no thought to what might happen if he were to lose; furthermore, he gives no thought to possible collateral damage from their battle. He puts the universe, as well as his family, at risk based on the belief that his power is supreme.

Example #3:
Goku decides not to stop Dr. Gero from constructing the androids for supremely self-centered reasons. He wants to test his strength against them, believing that his power will reign supreme. This exposes a deep-seated arrogance and lack of restraint. Once again, Goku's "friends" surrender to their blind faith in him. He gives the excuse that Gero doesn't deserve to die until he proves himself evil. However, there's nothing stopping Goku from checking in on him and making sure he doesn't build these malevolent androids.

Example #4:
Goku gives Cell a senzu bean, despite not knowing how powerful Cell truly is. Goku puts everyone's life in danger based on his glorified hunch that Gohan has a vast hidden power. He makes the situation far worse, a situation he completely washes his hands of responsibility from and lays everything his son. He makes it as hard as possible for Gohan, a person that may or not have the ability to even deal with it. The cruelty he displays here is almost unbelievable. I am shocked that Gohan didn't turn around and beat the everliving crap out of Goku for this.

Oh yeah, and because he did this, he is partially responsible for the permanent death of Android #16.

Example #5:
Goku allows his son, a person he professes to love, to have the sh*t beaten out of him because he believes that Gohan has a hidden power. He never once considers that he might be wrong, that Gohan might need support; he banks everything on his own opinion, not even taking a senzu bean as insurance. Piccolo is the only one who questions him on this.

Example #6:
Goku uses Super Saiyan 2 against Vegeta, for supremely self-centered reasons. Once again, based on his desire to have fun, he places the entire universe at great risk. He knows full well that fighting Vegeta will result in the resurrection of Majin Boo, he is even confronted by Kaioshin, another one of his "friends", who calls him out on his selfishness. Despite the pleadings of Kaioshin, citing the danger that Majin Boo represents, Goku goes ahead and does what he wants anyway. Because his desire to indulge himself comes before innocent lives.

Example #7:
Goku refuses to kill Majin Boo when he has the chance to. Goku covers for this by insisting that Gotenks will be able to beat Boo, despite the fact that Gotenks is a being that doesn't exist yet, and who is, coincidentally, comprised of two second-graders. No one calls him out on this.

Example #8:
Goku doesn't fuse with Vegeta, despite not knowing Boo's full power, placing the universe in danger and ignoring the words of Kaioshin, blah, blah, blah, you get the idea.
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Not sure if that would be a god complex but let me discuss your points.

- It's all apart of Goku's no kill policy that he adapted post-King Piccolo Arc.

- Pretty sure everyone on Namek was dead by then lol. Same story as the above, once he realizes that the no kill policy doesn't work, he pretty much ditches it after this Arc.

- Are you referring to DB where Goku spares Gero's life or during the 3 year timeskip? Just a bit confused.

- He was certain that only Gohan could have beaten Cell. He wanted the process to speed up which is why he made a very rash decision of giving Cell the Senzu.

- Same story as above. And look what happened at the end? He was right and Gohan proceeded to beat the crap out of Cell afterwards.

- That would be more of Vegeta's problem. He's the guy that got everyone into all that mess so I wouldn't point the finger at Goku. And look at it this way, if Goku didn't fight Vegeta, Vegeta would have gone on a killing spree until he got what he wanted.

- A being that also surpasses him in strength. If Goku can get the job done himself, I don't see why he shouldn't think someone stronger than him couldn't get the job. Not sure if Goku realizes Gotenks's cocky nature at this point and from what he's seen Goten and Trunks are pretty decent fighters so he defiantly wasn't doing that recklessly.

- On Kaioshin's planet? That was mutually agreed between Goku and Vegeta.
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- It's all apart of Goku's no kill policy that he adapted post-King Piccolo Arc.
A policy that Krillin takes issue with. Goku ignores his opinion and overrides him, based not on any regard for Vegeta's life, but a desire to have another rematch with him.
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- Pretty sure everyone on Namek was dead by then lol. Same story as the above, once he realizes that the no kill policy doesn't work, he pretty much ditches it after this Arc.
It's possible that nearby planets could also be destroyed. We know there are life-supporting planets nearby given the size of the spirit bomb. It doesn't really have anything to do with a no-kill policy. I do believe Goku intended to kill Freeza with that last blast, but more to do with Goku not being sure that he can defeat Freeza at 100%; no matter how much he may have insisted that he could, it was still unknown and far too risky. If Goku truly believed in protecting people (rather than getting his jollies), he would have ended Freeza at 70% when it was certain that he was more powerful.
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- Are you referring to DB where Goku spares Gero's life or during the 3 year timeskip? Just a bit confused.
After Trunks shows up, Bulma recommends they find Gero some time over the next three years and stop him from building the androids. Goku overrides her. That's what I'm thinking of.
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- He was certain that only Gohan could have beaten Cell. He wanted the process to speed up which is why he made a very rash decision of giving Cell the Senzu.
He was certain? Does that mean Goku can't be wrong? Gohan's power was uncertain until he demonstrated it. It was a hunch; even it wasn't, there's no telling whether Cell would have killed Gohan before he released it.

He put Gohan's (as well as everyone else's) life in danger by giving Cell that bean. Cell was already a shockingly powerful enemy, yet Goku gave him every advantage, instead of giving Gohan every advantage. He should have eaten his pride, taken a senzu, and fought alongside Gohan. If Gohan did indeed have a great power, he would have had a much easier time releasing it if his father was there to support him.
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- Same story as above. And look what happened at the end? He was right and Gohan proceeded to beat the crap out of Cell afterwards.
It doesn't matter that he happened to be right. What matters is that he never considered he might be wrong.
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- That would be more of Vegeta's problem. He's the guy that got everyone into all that mess so I wouldn't point the finger at Goku. And look at it this way, if Goku didn't fight Vegeta, Vegeta would have gone on a killing spree until he got what he wanted.
Vegeta is a liability and was once a psychopathic killer. Goku is supposed to be a responsible protector; he could have easily given Vegeta a beatdown with super saiyan 3, making him helpless. I'm not saying Goku should not have fought him, but with the power Goku possesses, he is in complete control. Everything is his responsibility.
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- A being that also surpasses him in strength. If Goku can get the job done himself, I don't see why he shouldn't think someone stronger than him couldn't get the job. Not sure if Goku realizes Gotenks's cocky nature at this point and from what he's seen Goten and Trunks are pretty decent fighters so he defiantly wasn't doing that recklessly.
He still doesn't know that Gotenks is more powerful. He's familiar with fusion, but even so, it was still a guess. It would have been much safer to defeat Majin Boo himself when he had the chance.
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- On Kaioshin's planet? That was mutually agreed between Goku and Vegeta.
Vegeta is culpable, but we already know that he's willing to do this. Goku should have overridden him. He has the power to back himself up against Vegeta and take command.
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A policy that Krillin takes issue with. Goku ignores his opinion and overrides him, based not on any regard for Vegeta's life, but a desire to have another rematch with him.


I know, that's how adamant he was about that policy. Combine that with his Saiyan instincts of wanting a good fight and he's not taking no for an answer.

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It's possible that nearby planets could also be destroyed. We know there are life-supporting planets nearby given the size of the spirit bomb. It doesn't really have anything to do with a no-kill policy. I do believe Goku intended to kill Freeza with that last blast, but more to do with Goku not being sure that he can defeat Freeza at 100%; no matter how much he may have insisted that he could, it was still unknown and far too risky. If Goku truly believed in protecting people (rather than getting his jollies), he would have ended Freeza at 70% when it was certain that he was more powerful.


Remember the whole thing of Goku wanting to make Freeza pay? Krillin died so he wasn't a happy camper at that point of time.

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After Trunks shows up, Bulma recommends they find Gero some time over the next three years and stop him from building the androids. Goku overrides her. That's what I'm thinking of.


Trunks never even brought that up lol. Plus, Vegeta also wanted to fight the Androids (maybe Piccolo as well if i'm not mistaken)

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He was certain? Does that mean Goku can't be wrong? Gohan's power was uncertain until he demonstrated it. It was a hunch; even it wasn't, there's no telling whether Cell would have killed Gohan before he released it.

He put Gohan's (as well as everyone else's) life in danger by giving Cell that bean. Cell was already a shockingly powerful enemy, yet Goku gave him every advantage, instead of giving Gohan every advantage. He should have eaten his pride, taken a senzu, and fought alongside Gohan. If Gohan did indeed have a great power, he would have had a much easier time releasing it if his father was there to support him.


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It doesn't matter that he happened to be right. What matters is that he never considered he might be wrong.


Put it this way. Goku (aside from Gohan) is the strongest in the Z-Group. Goku fights Cell and realizes he can't win. What's he going to do? He can't win and therefore nobody else other than Gohan can't get the job done either. What option is there left? It might seem cruel and barbaric to most people but when your out of options you can only do so much.

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Vegeta is a liability and was once a psychopathic killer. Goku is supposed to be a responsible protector; he could have easily given Vegeta a beatdown with super saiyan 3, making him helpless. I'm not saying Goku should not have fought him, but with the power Goku possesses, he is in complete control. Everything is his responsibility.


You got to remember SSJ3 drains Goku's remaining time on Earth and then there's still Buu to deal with so something had to give.

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He still doesn't know that Gotenks is more powerful. He's familiar with fusion, but even so, it was still a guess. It would have been much safer to defeat Majin Boo himself when he had the chance.


Pretty sure he has a good guess of how strong the kids are. He wanted someone to get the job done.

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Vegeta is culpable, but we already know that he's willing to do this. Goku should have overridden him. He has the power to back himself up against Vegeta and take command


Wouldn't be a very interesting ending if Vegetto one-shotted Pure Buu now would it?
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GT has nothing to do with this.

But even End of GT shows and gives is that feel. I totally agree. I've always thought about that, like you and a lot of others.
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