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Prove Super Perfect-Cell > SSJ2 Kid Gohan
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Topic Started: Dec 16 2014, 02:28 AM (654 Views)
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Dec 16 2014, 02:28 AM
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Dec 16 2014, 02:31 AM
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Pretty sure everyone here is on board with SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC
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Dec 16 2014, 02:36 AM
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If anybody isn't, I wouldn't be sure what to think.
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Dec 16 2014, 03:03 AM
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I have SPC is stronger than Calm Gohan.
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Dec 16 2014, 03:03 AM
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Dec 16 2014, 02:40 PM
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lol, look at that sexy debate up there.
Personally have them equal, near Goku vs Majin Vegeta level and if I must, I usually give a slight power advantage to Gohan, without getting into rage aspects or stuff. I could but, I try to make things easier for me if I can.
Edited by EMIYA, Dec 16 2014, 02:41 PM.
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Dec 16 2014, 03:08 PM
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I have SSJ2 Kid Gohan stronger but definently not in a way he could stomp Cell, i actually think that if they were to fought an actual fight, SPC would most likely prevail in the end as the winner.
I guess someone could argue that SPC is stronger because he was confident on taking on SSJ2 Kid Gohan head on, and seriously damaged him with a finger beam that was meant for Vegeta, that's all i can think of now.
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Dec 16 2014, 03:34 PM
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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You want an argument? Try this? No matter how you look at it, Gohan talked big and got his a*** kicked for it and the one time he got the advantage, he needed Cell to be distracted. The entire fight was basically:
Gohan: Lol, come at me Cell!
*Gohan proceeds to have over half of his ki docked, his arm shattered, his entire mental state flushed down the toilet. When he finally does get enough confidence to fight back he's utterly slaughtered by a practically nonchalant Cell while Gohan is sweating profusely and barely able to hang on. When he finally gets that advantage he needs, he apparently needs Vegeta to distract Cell along the way.*
As you can see, Gohan's not exactly proving himself here. You can make all these "Gohan wasn't able to defend himself" arguments you want, but in the end, Gohan came in cocky and he pretty much got put in his place. Gohan couldn't back up anything he said. Cell pretty much came up, said this fight isn't going to be as easy for him (Gohan) as it was last time and he proved himself. He proved that no, this wasn't going to go like last time.
In short, Cell backed up his claims and pretty much made a mockery of Gohan. Gohan tried to talk big and got put in his place and even personally admits to underestimating Cell himself.
There's more than enough information given that helps to put Cell above Gohan if only so slightly, or have Cell above normal Gohan but below enraged Gohan. It apparently took so much for Gohan to defeat Cell. He needed to give everything he had just at minimum value, Goku tells him this personally. He apparently needs a distraction and then there's a possibility he even got a rage boost on top. The Daizenshuu even goes around claiming he was burrowing power from Goku as well. I'm not going to take that last one too seriously myself.
But look at all the things Gohan needs or potentially gets just to take Cell out. Does that honestly sound like a guy who's naturally more powerful than Cell without any kind of distractions or anything? I don't think so. I think it easily shows that, Gohan can't underestimate Cell now and we see exactly what happens when he does. Many of it is subjective, how much the distraction matter, did Gohan get a rage boost, etc.
But in the end, it really doesn't help Gohan's case because as I said, it brings to the point that Gohan needs potentially all this stuff to take Cell out. It got to the point where Cell did more damage to Gohan...when he wasn't even focusing on him.
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Dec 16 2014, 05:13 PM
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Perfect Cell survives a KHH from SSJ2 Gohan with such an overwhelming advantage in Gohan's favor.
Super Perfect Cell does not survive a KHH from an injured SSJ2 Gohan with somewhat equal powers.
That doesn't seem right, does it?
SSJ2 Gohan (Finishing Cell) >> SSJ2 Gohan ~ Super Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Gohan (Injured) > Perfect Cell
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Dec 16 2014, 05:53 PM
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I would like to mention that Gohan still talked big after his arm is broken. It's not much, but he does talk about how it's too bad, he wanted to tear Cell to pieces.
Anyway, here's pretty much the master list of the three POV
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CELL WAS MUCH STRONGER THAN GOHAN. GOHAN'S VICTORY WAS PURE LUCK.
Cell says he's powered up "like Gohan did."(Fig. 1) If Cell was stronger than Gohan when they were both in the Super Saiyan tier, then Cell should be stronger than Gohan when he joins the Super Saiyan 2 tier. Cell had already been demolished by Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, and he does not at all appear to be in denial of these events. Rather, he acknowledges Gohan's strength, but still insisits that with his new power-up he's capable of beating Gohan (Fig. 3) The attack that Cell flung at Vegeta is described as being a "quick, uncharged blast." The blast cripples Gohan, breaking his arm, and then Gohan acknowledges that Cell's increase in power is to blame for the damage he's suffered. (Fig. 5) Some argue that Gohan being harmed by an "uncharged" attack showcases Cell's superiority During the beam-struggle, Goku claims Gohan is holding back, but Gohan insists he is giving it everything he's got (Fig. 10) The argument is that Gohan knows how much effort he's using better than Goku does Furthermore, Cell appears to just be toying with Gohan during the beam-struggle, and by shouting "Good bye!" (Fig. 10) it implies that he has yet to go all out himself, and is about to do so in order to nuke Gohan. (Fig. 10) Vegeta's intervention comes at a crucial moment, interrupting Cell right before he finishes Gohan off. Cell turns his attention completely away from Gohan (Fig. 11) Goku yelling "NOW!" while Cell's attention is turned away shows that even Goku knew this was Gohan's only chance Cell is taken completely off-guard by Gohan's sudden surge, as shown by his surprise (Fig. 12) Even Piccolo and the others show surprise after Gohan won "He... did it?" Closing arguments: Cell knew how powerful Gohan was, and still believed he could win. Cell may be arrogant, but he's no fool. Gohan took heavy damage from an uncharged blast from Cell, and admitted that Cell had become far more powerful than he thought. During the beam-struggle Goku continues to claim Gohan is holding back, but Gohan insists that he isn't. Cell toys with his prey, and is just about to finish Gohan off, when Vegeta distracts him. Gohan exploits Cell's distraction and takes him off guard, which is the only reason he won.
GOHAN WAS MUCH STRONGER THAN CELL. HE JUST NEEDED A LITTLE PUSH TO BELIEVE IN HIMSELF
Gohan is just as confident that he can win as Cell is at first (Fig. 3) When Gohan took Cell's attack, he was utterly focused on reaching Vegeta. He misjudged the blast's speed, and is surprised when it hits him. (Fig. 4) The argument is that Gohan was off-guard, his defenses lowered, and all of his ki focused on speed, which is the only reason the attack harmed him. Furthermore, Gohan hadn't believed Cell was much stronger at all (Fig. 5) which is another reason he didn't bother focusing his power on defending against Cell's attack. Gohan has lost his confidence and didn't even want to try. Goku explained to him that he could still win. Goku is observing the events from the After Life, and knows that Gohan is still stronger than Cell. (Fig. 6) Gohan claims that he's lost half of his ki, but he's still able to resist Cell's Kamehameha Gohan has lost his self confidence. Even though he thinks he's using his full power, Goku knows better, explaining that Gohan is holding back out of fear of damaging the Earth (Fig. 10) Goku is not just encouraging Gohan to "hang in there", he's actually saying Gohan is holding back. Gohan is only using a portion of his power at this point. Finally, when Cell turned away, Gohan pushes the rest of his power into the attack. Cell is utterly obliterated (Fig. 13) Cell is reduced to nothing, as Gohan's kamehameha had the strength to negate his regeneration. This is based on Gohan's power--the Kamehameha was just that strong. Cell was no match once Gohan went all out Closing arguments: Cell's initial confidence is due to his arrogant nature. Cell has too much pride to admit defeat, and that's why he returned and bragged that he could beat Gohan now. When he tried to kill Vegeta, Gohan was in a panic, focusing every ounce of his power toward reaching Vegeta in time. For this reason the blast took him by surprise, with his defenses lowered. That's the only reason it damaged him so much. He claimed he had lost half his power, but he really didn't. He just had poor self-esteem, having been through the trauma of his father dying, and his arm being injured at this crucial moment. Goku continued to insist that Gohan was subconsiously holding back, and when Gohan finally does cut loose, his power utterly overwhelms Cell and erases him. Although Vegeta distracting Cell was a help, it wasn't necessary, as Goku had stated he knew Gohan could still win all along.
GOHAN AND CELL WERE ABOUT EQUAL IN STRENGTH
Cell has powered up "like Gohan has" (Fig. 1) This is shown by him having the same sparking aura that Gohan does. Their powers are now very similar. Gohan was way beyond Cell when he first became Super Saiyan 2, and Cell's boost should have put them on even grounds. Gohan didn't realize Cell would become as strong as him (Fig. 5). That's why he thought he would beat Cell's attack to Vegeta. He aknowledges that Cell has improved more than he thought. Gohan originally gives up because he's lost the use of his arm. He doesn't think he can overcome Cell, and it takes Goku to convince him that he can. Gohan resists cell's Kamehameha, preventing it from instantly overwhelming him. But due to his injury, Cell has the edge. (Fig. 8) If Cell were really much stronger than Gohan, then he'd have just blasted through Gohan's Kamehameha with his own, especially if Gohan were wounded. The fact that Gohan is still able to hold out even with this wound suggests that at their respective peaks, their powers should be very close to eachother. Yes, Gohan releases the rest of his energy while Cell is distracted, but he still had the power to completly wipe Cell out. If Cell were that much stronger than Gohan, the Kamehameha shouldn't completly erase him. Closing Arguments: Cell and Gohan were about equal. Same sparking aura, same "Super Saiyan 2 power." Gohan underestimated Cell at first, causing him to get careless, and lose an arm, but the size of his ki was still on par with Cell. Just because Cell thought he could win at first, doesn't mean he has to be overwhelmingly stronger than Gohan. Remember, Cell is very arrogant. The fact of the matter is, Gohan hung in there even while he was wounded, but Cell had the edge, slowly pushing his Kamehameha back. This indicates the two were dead even at their peaks, but Gohan was in a lot of pain and had lost power from Cell's earlier attack, giving Cell a slight edge during the struggle. Cell clearly has the power to kill Gohan during the struggle, as Gohan had the power to kill Cell. If Gohan was a lot stronger than Cell, he'd not have taken much damage from Cell's attack, and the beam-struggle should have been a breeze. If Cell was much stronger than Gohan, the Kamehameha shouldn't have utterly erased him. The two had to be close in power.
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Dec 16 2014, 08:25 PM
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Vegeta helped Gohan ,and distracted Cell. SPC > SSJ2 gohan.
You fool! Don't you realize yet you're up against the perfect weapon?!"
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