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SSJ2 Gogeta vs. Ultimate Gohan
Topic Started: Dec 15 2014, 09:20 PM (2,811 Views)
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Yeah, not buying that at all.

Buuhan is both well aware of SSJ3 and Fusion at the time so he expects SSJ3 Gogeta to be able to beat him then he would have been concerned about the two fusing.
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Dec 16 2014, 02:31 AM
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Goku was planning on a ssj1 gohkan to fight buutenks before old kai told him that with potara the ssj won't be necessary. Ssj gohkan=ssj gogeta>buutenks

Still kind of sorting a few things out I could be wrong on something
...Potara isn't the same as Metamoran, this is well established. And how do you know he planned to use SSJ? With Vegito, he said he was surprised at his own strength.
I know they're different.

Goku asked if he should turn "super saiyan" before fusing with gohan. He didn't say ssj2 or 3

This also implies he is aware that fusions can't turn transform without practice. There's a daiz entry on this too

I can reply more later. Not now though :/
Metamoran fusion required the participants to be at the same power, why not make it easier on Gohan so he doesn't have to suppress as much?

The statement is kind of dumb anyway, as if he's so concerned, why not go to SSJ2?

A lot of this is interesting stuff, but irrelevant. The issue is that the adults are not that far from the kids. Let's say they're 3x Gotenks's power, that's probably a little excessive, but hey. Even that would mean they need SSJ3 to finish the job(that power boost would also let them beat Boohan with SSJ3, but that's not too important)
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I don't know if I was the only one, but when Kakarrot brought up fusing with Gohan, I figured he would go SS2 before Fusing. Sure he could go SS3, but I think the strain would hurt the Fusion more than help.

But I give this to Ultimate Gohan.
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I'm going Gogeta. I have SSJ2 Gogeta slightly ahead of Super Vegito.
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I'm going Gogeta. I have SSJ2 Gogeta slightly ahead of Super Vegito.
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Dec 16 2014, 02:33 AM
Yeah, not buying that at all.

Buuhan is both well aware of SSJ3 and Fusion at the time so he expects SSJ3 Gogeta to be able to beat him then he would have been concerned about the two fusing.
From what we've seen, metamorean fusions (Gotenks) need to train to learn how to transform into higher forms, and are limited to the highest form both fusees have at the current time. So at most, they could've made SSJ2 Gogeta.
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Some people will never learn, Ssjin Gokhan was stated to be able to destroy Bootenks which should be comparable to Gogeta. Ssjin is overkill let alone Ssjin2 Gogeta to teach him a lesson.
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Dec 16 2014, 07:41 AM
Some people will never learn, Ssjin Gokhan was stated to be able to destroy Bootenks which should be comparable to Gogeta. Ssjin is overkill let alone Ssjin2 Gogeta to teach him a lesson.
"Some people will never lean"? Are you kidding me? You are bringing up different characters with different powerlevels and a fusion technique that is not only different but stated to be WEAKER.

Goku-Gohan fusion would be ultimate gohan and goku with potara fusion...

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Goku-vegeta(a cannon Gogeta if you will) fusion with a weaker fusion and a weaker other half which would be vegeta.


Ultimate gohan > Goku = Vegeta

Potara > Fusion dance

Gohan + Goku + Potara >>> Goku + Vegeta + Fusion Dance...


I have SSJ Gogeta at maybe Super Buu/SSJ3 Gotenks Level at his max..
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You do realize that im talking about Ssjin Gokhan [Goku's plan]. Your talking about Elder Kaioshin Gokhan. Got that?
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You're sounding very demeaning, sir. Please quiet down.

If Goku knew he couldn't turn Super Saiyan without practice, why wouldn't Boohan? He had Goten and Trunks' knowledge to draw from, and both of them would of such a drawback.
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Dec 16 2014, 07:58 AM
You're sounding very demeaning, sir. Please quiet down.

If Goku knew he couldn't turn Super Saiyan without practice, why wouldn't Boohan? He had Goten and Trunks' knowledge to draw from, and both of them would of such a drawback.
Exactly. So the most buuhan expected was goku and vegeta to turn ssj2 and then fuse. His calculation was off though since ss1 gohkan(goku's plan before old kai said ssj wasn't neccessary with potara)=ssj1 gogeta>=buutenks and buuhan is less than 2x stronger than buutenks.

I'm kind of thinking goku might've been planning on turning ssj3 and then fusing with a suppressed gohan but I also think that's going too far. He only asked old kai if he should turn "super saiyan"
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Not only that, but I think SS3 would've hurt more than help the Fusion... especially with the Dance, more than likely that power would've severely limited the time.

But that's just me.
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Goku is thinking of just fusing with Gohan against Buutenks and then when Old Kai tells him Potara will fuse them instantly he says I'll turn into a SSJ to make the fusion stronger.

Going off Goku's chain of thought Base Gokhan(dance) should do better than Ultimate Gohan on his own.
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Goku stated that the fusees couldn't reach the power of their fusion power at the same time. Therefore, Base Gokhan > Ultimate Gohan.
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Dec 17 2014, 09:29 AM
Goku is thinking of just fusing with Gohan against Buutenks and then when Old Kai tells him Potara will fuse them instantly he says I'll turn into a SSJ to make the fusion stronger.

Going off Goku's chain of thought Base Gokhan(dance) should do better than Ultimate Gohan on his own.
Idk if I would have base gogeta that high personally. To me it sounded like he was planning on ssj gohkan from the start but just didn't get to mentioning it till later in the conversation with old kai. Unless I misunderstood something?
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