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Assuming ssj3 gogeta
Topic Started: Dec 15 2014, 01:00 AM (2,343 Views)
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I know we assume the characters were thinking of ssj3 gogeta because of the always assume full power thing. Wasn't it also because buuhan knows how strong each ssj form is so he could calculate how strong gogeta would be? But then doesn't that get tossed out the window if buuhan doesn't even think gogeta can turn ssj3 without practice? Based on all this I don't think it's very safe to assume it was ssj3 gogeta and not ssj1 or2. Unless someone can prove gogeta can probably turn ssj3 without practice?
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Lol,

Akira Toriyama confirmed Boo probably doesn't even know how strong he is. This contradicts Boohan being able to mathematically calculate how strong a fusion would be. Further-more, Boohan thought he could defeat Vegetto despite sensing him.

Boohan is not reliable.
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Dec 15 2014, 03:36 AM
Akira Toriyama confirmed Boo probably doesn't even know how strong he is.
Source? Smells of fake to me.
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Daizenshuu 2
 
SUPER SAIYAN GOTENKS
First Appears: Vol. 40+
Initially they had to transform into Super Saiyans first and then perform Fusion, but through special training they became able to transform even after fusing.
[Vol. 41 / Chp. 490] Through a few days' training, Gotenks became super powered up.
[Vol. 41 / Chp. 493] Even with the Earth in danger, Gotenks stubbornly persists in doing things at his own pace.

The Daizenshuu entry would implicate the characters being fallible, if anything. Would Gohan-Boo know that a hypothetical Gogeta wouldn't be able to go all the way to Super Saiyan 3? Would Goku even know of such a thing? He never practiced the technique himself, mind you, though he did question if he needed to transform prior to fusing with Gohan.

I would be fine amending the power structure to Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta being inferior to Gohan-Boo if it comes to it. It really wouldn't affect things too drastically, since Gogeta would still be needing more than Super Saiyan 1 to compete with Gohan-Boo, and Vegetto would end up much stronger either way.
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Boohan miscalculate the effect of Goku and Vegeta.
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Goku said a SSJ Gokhan, not I ssj3. He says if I transform into a SSJ that will make the fusion stronger when talking about Potara before Old Kai explains how much stronger Potara was.
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I am absolutely sure that Buuhan meant ssj gogeta. Otherwise we have to say he is a liar.

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Dec 15 2014, 05:07 AM
Daizenshuu 2
 
SUPER SAIYAN GOTENKS
First Appears: Vol. 40+
Initially they had to transform into Super Saiyans first and then perform Fusion, but through special training they became able to transform even after fusing.
[Vol. 41 / Chp. 490] Through a few days' training, Gotenks became super powered up.
[Vol. 41 / Chp. 493] Even with the Earth in danger, Gotenks stubbornly persists in doing things at his own pace.

The Daizenshuu entry would implicate the characters being fallible, if anything. Would Gohan-Boo know that a hypothetical Gogeta wouldn't be able to go all the way to Super Saiyan 3? Would Goku even know of such a thing? He never practiced the technique himself, mind you, though he did question if he needed to transform prior to fusing with Gohan.

I would be fine amending the power structure to Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta being inferior to Gohan-Boo if it comes to it. It really wouldn't affect things too drastically, since Gogeta would still be needing more than Super Saiyan 1 to compete with Gohan-Boo, and Vegetto would end up much stronger either way.
So where would ssj1 and 2 gogeta be placed now? It would be ssj2 gogeta>=buutenks>ssj1 gogeta>=super buu right? Since goku said gohkan should be able to beat buutenks

But then, was goku talking about a base, ssj1, or ssj2 gohkan? Gohan couldn't have turned ssj at the time because he was mystic. Would gohkan have been a ssj1/2/3 if it was just goku transformed and gohan lowered himself to his level?

Edit: ignore the second paragraph. Miguelnuva is right. Goku was thinking of ssj1 gohkan(fusion dance power). So that means a ssj1 gogeta>=buutenks? But that doesn't make sense because then ssj2 gogeta would stronger than buuhan and we can't have that can we? Based on that I think we shouldn't take buuhan's word anymore about gogeta not being able to beat him. That's pretty much proof he was a bit off right? What do you guys think?
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Goku can turn SSJ3 but he can't while fused with someone else? Yeah, calling BS on that.
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Why? Gotenks couldn't turn ssj at first even though goten and trunks could turn ssj. Why should gogeta be able to turn ssj without any practice whatsoever?
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Fusion isn't linear. Goku can predict their strength because their just kids so it can easily predict.
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Dec 15 2014, 04:47 PM
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Dec 15 2014, 05:07 AM
Daizenshuu 2
 
SUPER SAIYAN GOTENKS
First Appears: Vol. 40+
Initially they had to transform into Super Saiyans first and then perform Fusion, but through special training they became able to transform even after fusing.
[Vol. 41 / Chp. 490] Through a few days' training, Gotenks became super powered up.
[Vol. 41 / Chp. 493] Even with the Earth in danger, Gotenks stubbornly persists in doing things at his own pace.

The Daizenshuu entry would implicate the characters being fallible, if anything. Would Gohan-Boo know that a hypothetical Gogeta wouldn't be able to go all the way to Super Saiyan 3? Would Goku even know of such a thing? He never practiced the technique himself, mind you, though he did question if he needed to transform prior to fusing with Gohan.

I would be fine amending the power structure to Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta being inferior to Gohan-Boo if it comes to it. It really wouldn't affect things too drastically, since Gogeta would still be needing more than Super Saiyan 1 to compete with Gohan-Boo, and Vegetto would end up much stronger either way.
So where would ssj1 and 2 gogeta be placed now? It would be ssj2 gogeta>=buutenks>ssj1 gogeta>=super buu right? Since goku said gohkan should be able to beat buutenks

But then, was goku talking about a base, ssj1, or ssj2 gohkan? Gohan couldn't have turned ssj at the time because he was mystic. Would gohkan have been a ssj1/2/3 if it was just goku transformed and gohan lowered himself to his level?

Edit: ignore the second paragraph. Miguelnuva is right. Goku was thinking of ssj1 gohkan(fusion dance power). So that means a ssj1 gogeta>=buutenks? But that doesn't make sense because then ssj2 gogeta would stronger than buuhan and we can't have that can we? Based on that I think we shouldn't take buuhan's word anymore about gogeta not being able to beat him. That's pretty much proof he was a bit off right? What do you guys think?

Why would Goku think Super Saiyan Gokhan could beat Bootenks but not Boohan?

And I believe Gohan could transform at any point, but it would yield no power increase.
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Dec 16 2014, 02:15 AM
Why? Gotenks couldn't turn ssj at first even though goten and trunks could turn ssj. Why should gogeta be able to turn ssj without any practice whatsoever?

"Goku and Vegeta = magic" :T_T:
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Dec 16 2014, 07:14 AM
Fusion isn't linear. Goku can predict their strength because their just kids so it can easily predict.
The fact that they're kids should hold no weight in deducing power.
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Goku knows fusion + Goten and Trunks will be greater than Buu he doesn't need to know Gotenks exact power level.
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When did goku say ssj gohkan can't beat buuhan?

And that's not a reason to say gogeta can turn ssj without practice. That only explains why vegito could it and it's well established that fusion dance and potara are different
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