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| + supersaqer | Dec 14 2014, 12:32 PM Post #1 |
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Who of those two legendary villains would win in a fight? Clash of legendary titans! |
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| + supersaqer | Dec 16 2014, 04:25 AM Post #16 |
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Don't think it's conjecture when you can scale it with no problems. That's true, very true, but it should be capable of leveling the mountain. Tell me more about the characters please. |
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| Mihawk | Dec 16 2014, 05:13 AM Post #17 |
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Scaling would require a basis. There's no evidence for a scaling basis in HxH. |
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| + supersaqer | Dec 16 2014, 05:30 AM Post #18 |
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You can scale it off many other feats. Namely Meruem, Netero, Youpi, and Uvogin's feats. |
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| Mihawk | Dec 16 2014, 05:36 AM Post #19 |
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Scaling only works when there's evidence for it. Fan scaling is merely conjecture. Just saying you can scale it doesn't actually mean you can scale it. |
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| + supersaqer | Dec 16 2014, 06:04 AM Post #20 |
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Oh I feel sick reading this, unsure why. Anyways, we have the size of it. If it's was near the size of a mountain, wouldn't it be capable to destroy it? Post-RG Meruem could effortlessly, and with zero rage stored vaporize a large plateau. Why wouldn't Gon destroy a mountain with his Jajanken? If much weaker characters like holding back Uvogin could vaporize a huge chunk of the ground, which was MCB+ level, why wouldn't Gon be at that level with his Hatsu? If non full powered Youpi could vaporize a gigantic chunk of the ground, which was calculated to be above small city level+, why wouldn't Gon with his Hatsu be like mountain level? If you disagree with me about the Gon case, then let us get back to Meruem getting defeated by the people you posted. |
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| + Steve | Dec 16 2014, 12:17 PM Post #21 |
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Scaling doesn't really work though only works for the same attacks getting bigger, we don't know the densities of the blasts from Uvogin, Youpi or Gon and their attacks while similar are very different, Uvogin's strikes practically detonate upon hitting the ground, Youpi's is an actual explosion and Gon's is a focused attack that gives off a lot of light. If you look at the area Gon was smashing Pitou's head in, it's still there is it not? Trees and all that if it was a mountain or near mountain sized explosion the area would be wrecked wouldn't it? Jajanken doesn't really explode it just has a massive impact. The last one is the only one that exploded and it was Gon not giving a damn and trying to kill himself. Remember the dodge-ball match, he never broke the Volleyball or created an explosion or else more than Killua's hands would have been messed up. Anyway I don't see how Meruem couldn't take on non SM Madara until Genjutsu is involved. Meruem can dodge all of Madara's long range moves handily and if Madara comes close he can be taken out in one hit as he's just a fleshy human. If Tsunade could break his Susano'o Meruem definitely could, especially with how Nen works if he added Gyo or Ko to a punch that would do a devastating amount of damage. On top of that he has his emotion sensing which would go a long way in predicting attacks plus his En should he choose to use it he could gather tons of information with it. |
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| + supersaqer | Dec 17 2014, 06:50 AM Post #22 |
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Uvogin and Gon's Hatsus are pretty similar, with Gon being a little bit more advanced than Uvogin. Uvogin's Hatsu, to put simply, is just a Ko. It doesn't detonate or anything. It's just the power coming from it. Gon's Hatsu is putting all of the Nen applications into your fist and attacking. Youpi's aura makes an explosion. They're not different from the core actually, and you have Adult Gon who's massively stronger than all of them. Yeah, but what about behind Gon? Behind Pitou? We didn't see what happened from there, didn't we? I don't think Gon was going to kill himself, as he was fine afterwards. You need to remember that the explosion was extremely gigantic, and that it was made from Gon's ripped of arm. He didn't even charge it enough to become a Jajanken, as he only said Jan, Ken, and Killua stopped him. Yeah, because Gon was using Zetsu right there to contain the aura and making it escape impossible. To be really honest, I think he could take on SM Madara. The only Madara I see Meruem losing to is Jinchuuriki Madara. Genjutsu won't affect Nen users. Nen users have a complete control over their aura, and if it was disturbed, then can clean it pretty well. |
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| + Steve | Dec 17 2014, 11:33 AM Post #23 |
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Not really they only look similar Uvogin's does appear to explode just against Kurapika his aura probably suppressed the explosion because he's stronger than Uvo. Remember when that worm dude grabs Uvogin and his arm is underground? He makes it explode then, he couldn't use a Ko strike if he couldn't swing his arm so it's definitely different. It's called an ability and not just Ko for that reason, even though it is basic...much like Uvo Well, it cuts away from the scene he probably did say Gu off panel. Or maybe he didn't who knows really the explosion should have killed Killua but he wasn't damaged so maybe he swooped in there before the thing exploded? Certainly seemed fully charged anyway. Maybe Gon wasn't trying to kill himself exactly but he didn't give a damn. Nah SM Madara has too much hax with regen and his durability, tanking a tail hit from every tail from every tailed beast is way too much. I think Meruem could put up something of a fight, just because he can fly really but he'd die. Unless Madara's SM run out but it sounded like he could keep it going easily. How do they? If that were the case shouldn't removing Genthru's bombs or Kurapika's chains be simple? Without someone who uses a similar ability it's hard to tell how well they'd be defended against it, maybe Gyo would? Perhaps Sharingan users have the best defence against Genjutsu because a lot more of their chakra is concentrated there so Gyo would work the same way...but that's just a theory. |
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| + supersaqer | Dec 17 2014, 11:50 AM Post #24 |
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It works the same as Gon's Hatsu. I checked the scan in the manga, and it's the same. He didn't say it. Killua probably got out of the explosion's range and came back to take Gon. I don't think it was fully charged. I don't think so. Pre-RG Meruem could take on thousands of hits before he felt dull pain. One of the hits, even though Meruem absorbed most of the shock, made a gigantic crater. One of them sent Pitou flying over half a kilometer, even though she used her Hatsu to stop. We're talking about Post-RG Meruem, so yeah.... The only Madara who could take him is Jinchuuriki Madara. They have the complete control of their own aura. Genjutsu disturbs the victims own aura. They could use Ren and Zetsu to stop it you know... |
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| Mihawk | Dec 18 2014, 05:49 PM Post #25 |
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No they couldn't. All your arguments are conjecture. |
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| + supersaqer | Dec 18 2014, 07:17 PM Post #26 |
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W..w..wait.. what? |
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| Mihawk | Dec 18 2014, 07:33 PM Post #27 |
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"Maybe", "possibly", "should be", "if scaled". Your arguments have too many assumptions in them. They're not faulty, just not good ones. |
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| + supersaqer | Dec 18 2014, 07:35 PM Post #28 |
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I know that, but the thing is, I build them off certain things. Back to Meruem vs Madara, who do you think would win? |
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| Mihawk | Dec 18 2014, 07:54 PM Post #29 |
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Madara without MS might be somewhat of a fight if he plays around like he did with the Hokage, but apart from that I don't see him beating anyone in the list I posted above. Maybe he'd beat Jiraiya (not giving him time to go into sage mode) and Oonoki due to them being slow. |
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| + Steve | Dec 18 2014, 09:51 PM Post #30 |
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Aside from Genjutsu how would you say he beats him though? I think you're underestimating him a bit really his physical stats are way higher than Madara's, namely durability and physical strength. Look how hard Naruto was to beat with Sage Mode and the 3rd Raikage was ridiculously strong too. A lot of the attacks in Naruto depend on the victim being fleshy and easy to pierce/crush/burn and Meruem is far from that. Fir wouldn't do much, a nuke didn't even destroy his body even before the RG power up. Physical hits from Madara wouldn't do much. Anything other than Perfect Susano'o wouldn't do a whole lot. Mokuton wouldn't be much of a danger only Wood dragon and maybe the spores but they're debatable as the poison from the Miniature Rose took ages to kill Meruem. |
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