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Base form Majin Vegetas power level
Topic Started: Dec 12 2014, 09:58 PM (2,240 Views)
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A simple solution to finding out who wins...

Flip a coin, and say which fighter is heads or tails and whichever it lands on is the winner. :p

I think that's the only real way you can come up with a winner without any Bias.
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Alright, alright.

I think Professor Gohan covered it here, but please for the love of everything that is good, don't start threatening eachother in public. If you warn someone, there's no need to publicly declare it. Let staff deal with it and move on.

As for topic, there's several ways to make something work. You can believe in one side or the other without contradictions, but none of the sides are set in stone as of today. There's not enough evidence for any sides, as such there are only implications. Believe in what you want, but play nice.

Alright?
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Dec 13 2014, 08:04 PM
Alright, alright.

I think Professor Gohan covered it here, but please for the love of everything that is good, don't start threatening eachother in public. If you warn someone, there's no need to publicly declare it. Let staff deal with it and move on.

As for topic, there's several ways to make something work. You can believe in one side or the other without contradictions, but none of the sides are set in stone as of today. There's not enough evidence for any sides, as such there are only implications. Believe in what you want, but play nice.

Alright?
I think it's best if he stops trying to provoke a reaction from me.

It's clearly what he's doing.
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Let's drop that now and get back to topic.
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I'm back on topic.

@myst1c: It's no different from what you do, the only difference here is I didn't ignore stated facts, feats or quotes, you purposely ignore those just to piss others off, it's pretty clear what you do and I'll be honest with you... you won't last if you keep that up, it's only a matter of time before there's a line though your name. But all of that is up to you, but I suggest you read this Thread and take to heart, because coming from someone who started by only going by the Anime's logic and never read the Manga when I first started debating, if you don't start using facts to back up your claims and quit ignoring them... everyone is going to quit being nice about it and just tear down every single argument you have that goes against stated facts and report you every time you do too.

Yes I went there, but it needed to be said.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8987269&t=8476230
Edited by Saberoph, Dec 13 2014, 10:58 PM.
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I'm way too nice, but I'm gonna stop being the nice guy from here on. Get back to topic or else I'll do what I must.
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That's all I had to say, but same here... not going to be nice anymore either.

I think it was made pretty clear in both the Anime and Manga that Majin Vegeta and Kakarrot are equal and there really isn't any statements saying he's not. Even the Guidebooks back that up.
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http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8410747/1/
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How would that fight have ended?

Honestly, I think Vegeta is the superior fighter. He is more ruthless and willing to go all out against Goku.

It felt like, to me, the anime showed the fight inclining towards Vegeta winning.

And I think he would.
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Dec 13 2014, 08:25 PM
I'm back on topic.

@myst1c: It's no different from what you do, the only difference here is I didn't ignore stated facts, feats or quotes, you purposely ignore those just to piss others off, it's pretty clear what you do and I'll be honest with you... you won't last if you keep that up, it's only a matter of time before there's a line though your name. But all of that is up to you, but I suggest you read this Thread and take to heart, because coming from someone who started by only going by the Anime's logic and never read the Manga when I first started debating, if you don't start using facts to back up your claims and quit ignoring them... everyone is going to quit being nice about it and just tear down every single argument you have that goes against stated facts and report you every time you do too.

Yes I went there, but it needed to be said.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8987269&t=8476230
Facts feats or quotes are only relevant as long as there isn't any other logical explanation. Also, all three can imply different things which the manga does completely. Proceeding events in the future can also discredit previous events in the past.

Same thing here.

No reason to look any further into it.
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But here's the thing... if you have East Kaioshin in the Boo arc worried about Base Vegeta taking on Pui, the only logical thing for Kaioshin to go by is his own power, because he hasn't seen Vegeta at Full Power, then you have East Kaioshin afraid of Yakon and the only reason Kakarrot went Super Saiyan was to prove he had another light source if he needed on, not to mention that Kakarrot wasn't taking Yakon seriously, even after his Gi got cut, even in the dark Kakarrot was very comfortable in Base, then before the Budokai Vegeta claims he can win the whole thing in Base and nobody denies or contradicts it. Also, the gains and stomps we see after Frieza... it wouldn't make any sense for the Base Saiyans not to surpass him.

Now those are very good points that actually happened in the Manga and Anime, opposed to what one line from Beers and even then it makes no sense for anyone to just walk around in Base at Full Power, unless in a battle or training nobody is at Full Power, they're always suppressed in normal every day.

And they're not opinions... it's actually what has been shown and said in the Manga. Having Evidence and voicing ones opinion are completely different.

But I don't know about everyone else, but I'm ready to get back on topic and stay on it. I believe we already have a Thread for this very argument, so this doesn't need to continue here.
Edited by Saberoph, Dec 14 2014, 01:01 AM.
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Dec 14 2014, 12:49 AM
But here's the thing... if you have East Kaioshin in the Boo arc worried about Base Vegeta taking on Pui, the only logical thing for Kaioshin to go by is his own power, because he hasn't seen Vegeta at Full Power, then you have East Kaioshin afraid of Yakon and the only reason Kakarrot went Super Saiyan was to prove he had another light source if he needed on, not to mention that Kakarrot wasn't taking Yakon seriously, even after his Gi got cut, even in the dark Kakarrot was very comfortable in Base, then before the Budokai Vegeta claims he can win the whole thing in Base and nobody denies or contradicts it. Also, the gains and stomps we see after Frieza... it wouldn't make any sense for the Base Saiyans not to surpass him.

Now those are very good points that actually happened in the Manga and Anime, opposed to what one line from Beers and even then it makes no sense for anyone to just walk around in Base at Full Power, unless in a battle or training nobody is at Full Power, they're always suppressed in normal every day.

And they're not opinions... it's actually what has been shown and said in the Manga. Having Evidence and voicing ones opinion are completely different.

But I don't know about everyone else, but I'm ready to get back on topic and stay on it. I believe we already have a Thread for this very argument, so this doesn't need to continue here.
It doesn't necessarily matter.

All I'm saying is we share two different viewpoints. I know all the so called 'evidence' you have, but I share my own views. Battle of Gods concretes them and so will the new DBZ movie in 2015.
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I'm not going back off topic in here again, if you want to discuss the Base Saiyans and Frieza argument, well I'm opening a Thread about it.

But I'm staying on Topic.
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http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8410747/1/
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I have him as equals with Goku.

Stronger than Freeza as well. I gave my reasoning already in a thread similar to this one.
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By 10x SSJ Multiplier
Base Majin Vegeta:36,000,000,000(equal to Goku)
Freeza 100%:120,000,000-145,000,000
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I don't even bother with multipliers by this point. They don't work without twisting things so that they can fit. From what I can tell, characters transform and they are as weak or as strong as the plot requires. There is no fixed multiplier. At least not in the Buu saga it seems.

The battle they had as Super Saiyans in the manga clearly shows neither would budge anytime soon. They were so even that the fight could have lasted several more hours. Is it possible that they could ko each other?


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