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Base form Majin Vegetas power level
Topic Started: Dec 12 2014, 09:58 PM (2,241 Views)
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Dec 13 2014, 06:47 PM
Then prove to me that Base Saiyans are below Frieza. Show me a quote, and a non Fan Translated quote.

I'll be waiting...
I've no desire to participate in so called 'debating' with you.
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myst1c
Dec 13 2014, 06:49 PM
Master Saberoph
Dec 13 2014, 06:47 PM
Then prove to me that Base Saiyans are below Frieza. Show me a quote, and a non Fan Translated quote.

I'll be waiting...
I've no desire to participate in so called 'debating' with you.
Because you know you have nothing but your bias and twisted opinion, when there's a whole arc that says you're wrong.

Having evidence and a theory are two different things, perhaps you should learn the difference.
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Dec 13 2014, 06:50 PM
myst1c
Dec 13 2014, 06:49 PM
Master Saberoph
Dec 13 2014, 06:47 PM
Then prove to me that Base Saiyans are below Frieza. Show me a quote, and a non Fan Translated quote.

I'll be waiting...
I've no desire to participate in so called 'debating' with you.
Because you know you have nothing but your bias and twisted opinion, when there's a whole arc that says you're wrong.

Having evidence and a theory are two different things, perhaps you should learn the difference.
Actually it's your ignorance that's the issue. That and a biased sense of perspective towards the manga.

Not to mention the sheer conjecture your brain is littered with.

Why waste my time on someone like that?
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Big words from someone who can't even present evidence supporting their claims.

You've made a claim and you've been called out on it. So the pardon of proof is on you.

If you don't then you're just trolling.
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Dec 13 2014, 06:29 PM
That's not the point, and it's not about opinions, it's about him always ignoring and twisting evidence just to piss everyone off, so that comment was well deserved.
remember not long ago everybody said that the power difference between vegito and gogeta is that huge that ssj vegito would godstomp the living hell out of ssj3 gogeta.


Now we have ssj gogeta above super buu.

Different opinions are useful, btw there are a lot of threads even here where they are arguing about the frieza> base saiyans in BoG too.
Dont ignore something just because the majority does. Instead try to analyze the new opinion and embrace it. If it will be proven false totally it can be ignored otherwise as they still have been arguing about this(Frieza>base saiyans) dont just neglect other's opinions soo easily


enough of this offtopic I think I gotta post something worth mentioning


I have this chain

ssj goku~ssj majin vegeta>ssj kid gohan>ssj premajin vegeta>ssj teen gohan>Piccolo >base goku~base majin vegeta

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Dec 13 2014, 06:55 PM
Big words from someone who can't even present evidence supporting their claims.

You've made a claim and you've been called out on it. So the pardon of proof is on you.

If you don't then you're just trolling.
Not necessarily.

Recent cannon evidence discredits prior work due to the contradiction.

In such,

Beerus Quote > Vegeta quote while in the ship and Android 18 was around.
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I just ignore something when there's superior evidence proving it wrong, not because the majority of people follow it.

As for Battle of Gods, the jury is still out on it being truly canon or not, and even then The Boo arc Vs. One Movie, there's still more evidence on the Boo arc to completely disprove the evidence in that one Movie. There's barely any evidence supporting the other, so I go with evidence.
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Dec 13 2014, 07:05 PM
I just ignore something when there's superior evidence proving it wrong, not because the majority of people follow it.

As for Battle of Gods, the jury is still out on it being truly canon or not, and even then The Boo arc Vs. One Movie, there's still more evidence on the Boo arc to completely disprove the evidence in that one Movie. There's barely any evidence supporting the other, so I go with evidence.
There is no jury.

Statements are statements and contradict your previous evidence.

I win.
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That's one Movie Vs. a Whole Arc.

Also report sent for trolling and from now on I am going to report you every single time you troll and flaim bait.
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Dec 13 2014, 07:09 PM
That's one Movie Vs. a Whole Arc.

Also report sent for trolling and from now on I am going to report you every single time you troll and flaim bait.
Yet a new Frieza movie is coming out.

I reported you as well.
Edited by myst1c, Dec 13 2014, 07:11 PM.
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I'll say this. If you're not interested in debating, then don't do it. Especially when you know you're not going to come to an agreement with others.

Now, I'm on the side where you need support and evidence to back up a point (whether opinion or fact), and you're free where you don't have to do that. But trolling is unacceptable. You can voice your theories as long as they're reasonable; I can't stop that, but I know when something is reasonable or not--and this isn't. Even the anime says they're equals, now, come on. There's no arguing against that.

Once again, you can have your own opinion, but I'm going to have to stop you here, since we all know at the end of the day that this "theory" card you're playing is nonsense.

I'm leaving this open since this is a Vegeta's power level discussion.
Remember: No more trolling.
PM me if you have any questions.

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Is posting your username your calling card now?

Here's a question that I think should be asked... if the fight continued, who would have won and why?
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Vegeta wins 5/10, Goku wins 5/10.

They both have great combat skills, they just use their abilities in different ways. Vegeta tends to be more clever, while Goku uses his instinct. On an equal playing field, I doubt either would have the advantage; their techniques are more or less equal.

Goku has the only clear advantage, instantaneous movement, which is of dubious value.
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This is one of those fights where I wish we got to see all the way to the end, just so we can have a clear answer of who would win in a straight up one on one fight.
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I'd rather not get into the debate about their second fight because that usually turns into a maze of bias while objectivity tends to seep away.

In regards to the original topic, Vegeta would be equal with Goku all things considered.
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